Impossible position shot?
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Jude Rosenstock said:
These responses (and others) are kinda what I was looking for.BWTadpole said:
I set the shot up on my table again yesterday night, and I actually was able to reach the opposite rail after four or five tries. As BWTadpole mentioned, the key is to hit the CB with enough speed (but not too much) such that it achieves natural roll by the time it contacts the first rail. To achieve this, you would have to hit it much softer than you might initially think.
As Jude mentioned, cloth/table conditions definitely play a role whether this shot is possible or not. I'm playing on 1.5 year old simonis cloth and Diamond rails, so it's a bit easier to do on my table compared to a table with brand new cloth. (Also, playing on an 8 or 7 foot table is obviously easier than a 9 footer.)
Now, try moving the 8-ball even closer at half a ball's width from the point/pocket. I know on my table, going one rail to the other is impossible to do from that distance.
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For that shot to get the cue ball where you want it, you might be able to do it with high, inside English, but I think high, center spin would take you about a diamond to the left of cue ball A. Of course the easy way to do it would be to use low left English and go 3 rails to get in the vicinity of cue ball A.
I think that if your talking about real game situations, and not set up propositions, the 2 rail position is one that gives you the greater margin of error, simply because of the ANGLE and the fact that you are COMING INTO THE BALL/SHOT.
You can hit it with a little more confidence simply because if you end up short, you still have pretty much the same angle to the shot, regardless of if your come close to it or not.
Coming into the ball at the proper angle is SO MUCH EASIER when it comes to sound position play.
Going the one rail route, despite the fact that i think it's pretty easy, is not without it's problems.
If you manage to miss hit it and come up short, you are going to have to deal with several different cut possibilities. Errors on shots like this are amplified.
But still, the shot is pretty easy. Soft with a NICE follow through, and you're home.
You can hit it with a little more confidence simply because if you end up short, you still have pretty much the same angle to the shot, regardless of if your come close to it or not.
Coming into the ball at the proper angle is SO MUCH EASIER when it comes to sound position play.
Going the one rail route, despite the fact that i think it's pretty easy, is not without it's problems.
If you manage to miss hit it and come up short, you are going to have to deal with several different cut possibilities. Errors on shots like this are amplified.
But still, the shot is pretty easy. Soft with a NICE follow through, and you're home.
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I set this up last night and tried it several times. I used my usual stoke with very good results. I used a stripe ball to see different reactions with different tip placements. My best results came with hitting slightly above center just below the circle surrounding the number. Was able to scratch in the side pocket (9 ball side) with no side and my usual stroke. Seems that shooting it the same way while cutting thinner gave safer and easier results, with the CB ending around the second diamond.:thumbup:
I recant my earlier post. I actually tried it and it's way harder than it looks--- esp on my table. I have 760 simonis with sub 20% humidity (I keep my basement like a desert).
Based on the setup, to get within A on my table with just high and nothing else was near impossible. My CB slides and then the follow takes after contact with the rail and sticks me at the side.
When you just look at the setup - the first impression is... duh .. just HIT it. Not like following 1-rail would ever, ever, ever, be my first choice of position on this shot, but now I know I'll never do what I wouldn't have done anyways
Dave
Based on the setup, to get within A on my table with just high and nothing else was near impossible. My CB slides and then the follow takes after contact with the rail and sticks me at the side.
When you just look at the setup - the first impression is... duh .. just HIT it. Not like following 1-rail would ever, ever, ever, be my first choice of position on this shot, but now I know I'll never do what I wouldn't have done anyways
Dave
You'd have to hit it paper thin, and the OB would have to be right on the lip of the pocket. That's not this shot.
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Patrick Johnson said:
Have you tried the shot?
I tried it last night on very, very slow cloth with old worn out rails.
Hitting the OB full resulted in doubling the rail.
Hitting the OB thin resulted in success.
The side pocket is 2.5 times the size of a ball.
From the diagram, you can cheat the pocket quite a bit.