In defense of JR

[Colin Colenso]

OK, how about this?...

Feel can be conscious or subconscious. Feel is subjective; aiming systems are objective.

Using aiming systems first will get a player 95% success on 95% of shots. The other 5% of shots need to be finalized by feel. And this feel comes from repetition.

So, align the shot with an objective aiming system and don't stroke it until it feels right.

Your turn,

Jeff Livingston

Jeff,
That is just about the same as what I just wrote in Jude's thread.

I would also say, that I would prefer a system where I understood the physics of what it was accounting for in a way that aids visualization.

So for example, I think I would find it counterintuitive to try a system that prescribed making 80 degree cut shots from 2 feet away by aligning the left edge of the cue ball to the centre of the OB, and then pivoting and using tuck swoop right english with 6" bridge. Adjusting bridge back 1 inch for each 6 inches further the OB ball is a way.

This type of system I could develop and use quite well over various ranges of certain shots, but they would be counter intuitive and not lend themselves to the fine tuning subjective or intuitive judgement

But if I found a shot I was weak at, and some system helped be make it much better, why not give it a go and practice I understood it and it felt natural.

 

[Colin Colenso]

But then again...you have guys that are stroke junkies and always obsessing about their stroke and whether it's on line or their elbow is dropping, etc.
In my case, I don't want to think about any of that crap.

Absolutely. If I started thinking about what my stroke flaws were or how to correct them during a match, I might as well go home. It just puts doubts in your head. If you've really got some flaws, work on them during the week, or take a month off, or just learn to deal with it.

 

[Travis Bickle]

I've got to agree with those who are saying there's really no such thing as aiming totally by feel. I often thought I did, but when I actually thought about it, I make CONSCIOUS adjustments all the time for speed, english, swerve, throw ... hopefully when I'm standing up.

The only difference MIGHT be that for now I don't attach a number to the process ... say, aiming at point 5 or 9, but, adjusting for swerve, it's point 4 or 8, or 1/8, 1/4, 1/3, etc. Though in playing a safety I do think in those terms, approximately.

Like some of the other simpletons around here, I look at the ball and aim THERE, and then adjust A HAIR this way or that. Maybe being more specific would be a help, or maybe it could be delusional.

BTW, Fred, got a kick out of that test ... it scored me balanced-brained. That might be a first.

 

[Timberly]

Maybe he can, and maybe he can't. You might just have old lady eyes now.
First thing is getting you in top shape for the game. That means diet and exercise. Right food...workouts in the gym with cardio training...NO BEER.
Ready to come back now??

My eyesight is still perfect you cantankerous old fool! I'm not gonna mention any names or anything but I will say that there's a few champions out there with asses wide enough to make me look like I'm Marissa's size... I don't have to give up beer & start working out. Besides, if I had to give up beer, I'd be as cantankerous as you are & goodness knows there ain't room enough for two of you on here!

 

[drivermaker]

My eyesight is still perfect you cantankerous old fool! I'm not gonna mention any names or anything but I will say that there's a few champions out there with asses wide enough to make me look like I'm Marissa's size... I don't have to give up beer & start working out. Besides, if I had to give up beer, I'd be as cantankerous as you are & goodness knows there ain't room enough for two of you on here!

That's it...you've gone and done it now. My focus is off of Marissa and the laser/radar is now locked on to your chubby cheeks. I'm gonna have lots and lots of fun with my new Timberly doll. (the big mouths of women ALWAYS get them in trouble)

Hi-Ho...Hi-Ho...and off to work I go...to flame her ass, to bust her chops, and never let her sleep....

 

[Fred Agnir]

Also, I have always wanted to ask you (and Fred), if you guys have EVER admitted to being wrong about anything here on the forums.

Of course I have.

That being said, it helps to have some kind of information before hitting the submit button.

Fred

 

[drivermaker]

DM, when a cheeta chases down prey do you really think he has an aiming system? There is something called instinct, which I believe relates to pool. That's all that I am saying. I will say this once more - trying to put a label on pool that everyone uses an aiming system on every shot is just pure ridiculous.

Oh Drivermaker, Drivermaker, Drivermaker - all I really wanted was for you to apolgize to JR for calling him an idiot.

I won't be apologizing for this now or in the future either...YOU fucking idiot!

You haven't even read a goddamn thing about all of the top playing pros that DO use aiming systems and were named, have you?

Just in case you missed it earlier...IDIOT!

 

[Timberly]

That's it...you've gone and done it now. My focus is off of Marissa and the laser/radar is now locked on to your chubby cheeks. I'm gonna have lots and lots of fun with my new Timberly doll. (the big mouths of women ALWAYS get them in trouble)

Hi-Ho...Hi-Ho...and off to work I go...to flame her ass, to bust her chops, and never let her sleep....

I will say I'm impressed... for your age, your mind has held up pretty well. You're able to focus on JR, Marissa, WW, & a whole slew of others... not bad... Before you start on me give me a day or two to quit drinking so that I can try to be as grumpy as you... make it an even flame. The last two days have been pretty rough for me so drinking tonight is an absolute necessity...

 

[Voodoo Daddy]

Hi Voodoo Daddy. Good to hear from you again. How are you and Scott Lee getting along? Boy, you sure have gotten grumpy yourself over on CCB.

Scott does his thing and I do mine. Grumpy is a weak discription...more like wise to the BS artists


Heh, I think Fred is cool.....and you too VD.


Sad to watch a grown man puppy up to strangers

Over the years Fred has actually helped me on a lot of things, and I am very grateful. And some of the stuff you post Voodoo Daddy is well worth the read. Carry on. (WW - trying to get back into the in crowd, but I guess it will never happen


In crowd? WTF is that?

Just tell me if you have seen Mike Ives lately. Cheers.

Mike Ives...last time I seen him he had a yellow "Gordons of Gloster" fishermans jacket and his Gilligan hat on heading to his sailboat...

 

[drivermaker]

I will say I'm impressed... for your age, your mind has held up pretty well. You're able to focus on JR, Marissa, WW, & a whole slew of others... not bad... Before you start on me give me a day or two to quit drinking so that I can try to be as grumpy as you... make it an even flame. The last two days have been pretty rough for me so drinking tonight is an absolute necessity...

You can have your day or two...it'll take me that long to have my frontal lobotomy performed so that we can start off on an even level. I don't want to have an unfair advantage.

BTW...you can only picture what I look like based on numbers for calendar years and others that are the same age. It ain't what you think...and NO...it surely isn't worse. (Lookin' forward to seeing YOUR burgeoning saddle bags though)

 

[Timberly]

BTW...you can only picture what I look like based on numbers for calendar years and others that are the same age. It ain't what you think...and NO...it surely isn't worse. (Lookin' forward to seeing YOUR burgeoning saddle bags though)

I've been told that I look younger than my age (maybe they were being nice???) However, JUST for you... I'll continue to eat up through Atlanta and wear some nice tight lycra pants with a belly shirt for ya.

 

[drivermaker]

I've been told that I look younger than my age (maybe they were being nice???) However, JUST for you... I'll continue to eat up through Atlanta and wear some nice tight lycra pants with a belly shirt for ya.

You must ALWAYS tell a woman that she looks younger than their age!! Not only to be nice, but also so that you don't get on the wrong side of a vicious tongue. (And ESPECIALLY if you're lookin' to get some)

Good Gawd...do I really want to see this? I better bring some dramamine...I might get a little dizzy and sea sick...

 

[chefjeff]

Jeff,
That is just about the same as what I just wrote in Jude's thread.

I would also say, that I would prefer a system where I understood the physics of what it was accounting for in a way that aids visualization.

So for example, I think I would find it counterintuitive to try a system that prescribed making 80 degree cut shots from 2 feet away by aligning the left edge of the cue ball to the centre of the OB, and then pivoting and using tuck swoop right english with 6" bridge. Adjusting bridge back 1 inch for each 6 inches further the OB ball is a way.

This type of system I could develop and use quite well over various ranges of certain shots, but they would be counter intuitive and not lend themselves to the fine tuning subjective or intuitive judgement

But if I found a shot I was weak at, and some system helped be make it much better, why not give it a go and practice I understood it and it felt natural.

Wait, I think that maybe I've changed my mind about feel being conscious....

Feel could actually still only be subconscious, as I said before, but maybe it just reveals itself to the conscious mind during the final adjusments of aiming. You don't know exactly why you're moving the stick this way or that, but you do and tell yourself consciously that you're doing it, but the reason is because your subconscious mind is directing you, but not informing you as to why.

Another thing, feel might be used for 75% of one shot and only 5% on another. An example would be the half ball hit...it is 99% aiming technique and 1% feel, whereas a long thin cut with super side might be 39% aiming technique and 61% feel, for example.

Jeff Livingston

 

[Timberly]

You must ALWAYS tell a woman that she looks younger than their age!! Not only to be nice, but also so that you don't get on the wrong side of a vicious tongue. (And ESPECIALLY if you're lookin' to get some)

Good Gawd...do I really want to see this? I better bring some dramamine...I might get a little dizzy and sea sick...

A) When I used to smoke cigs & got carded at THIRTY YRS Old, some idiot asked me if my DL was a typo!! (here's your sign)

And in answer to your question... NO, you don't want to see this cause they're going to be WHITE lycra pants, BIG granny panties, and a hot PINK or GREEN half shirt. It ain't gonna be purty.