Inaccurate Ivory Ferrules?

jhendri2

jhendri2

Rack'em Sausage
Silver Member
I am in the process of having another cue built. One of the cuemakers I e-mailed my design to said this:

"no Ivory ferrules, if you need them they will be $xx.00 each.

We do not like them very much, the most inaccurate ferrule going today"

That's a direct quote. I have never heard of ivory ferrules being inaccurate. I have cues with ivory and others with differing materials. I personnaly can't tell a difference in the accuarcy. Any one have thoughts on this? No flame wars please.

Jim
 
That is a very odd statement, Perhaps you should ask for some clarification on it before speculating.
 
jhendri2 said:
I...No flame wars please.

Jim
Click to expand...

ooooooh! You are askin'for it!!

I think it is entirely possible that synthetic materials used in today's ferrules, especially LBM/ like carbon fiber, are more consistent. Ivory is a natural material, while synthetics are engineered to fit applications.

I doubt that it would play much of a role in any given shot, however.

But I really don't know...

-pigu
 
I think the maker was referring to the deflection characteristics of ivory ferrules.
I think he feels ivory ferrules cause more cueball squirt.
 
How about a guest appearance from FL, he'd have a lot to say about the subject. Dig deep back into the archives, there's been enough said about it to keep you real busy for a few days. A bunch of pro and con both ways that did produce flame wars.
 
Something in my cue is very inaccurate but i haven't been able to pin it down yet.
 
Nostroke said:
Something in my cue is very inaccurate but i haven't been able to pin it down yet.
Click to expand...


Don't worry about it...sounds like an extremely good reason to go out and purchase a brand new loaded to the gills custom job. :cool:
 
Sheldon said:
That is a very odd statement, Perhaps you should ask for some clarification on it before speculating.
Click to expand...

What fun would that be?

Fred <~~~ speculating he was talking about squirt
 
Vote "No" to FL

drivermaker said:
How about a guest appearance from FL,
Click to expand...
Why in the world would you wish that thought-stealing buffoon in here to muddy up what would normally be clear thinking banter?

The guy only repeats everything that's ever been said in the pool world and claims them as his own ideas. I think that's ridiculous and unfair to any newcomers to our sport.

Fred <~~~ hasn't read a single original idea from FL
 
Hey Nostroke..you are onto somthing here! I have noticed this as well but, you beat me to it! Good work! I also have noticed a cheaper cue can outplay a high doller cue and vice versa and I am at a loss to explain it!!! Exactly what is it???
Nostroke said:
Something in my cue is very inaccurate but i haven't been able to pin it down yet.
Click to expand...
 
Fred Agnir said:
The guy only repeats everything that's ever been said in the pool world and claims them as his own ideas. I think that's ridiculous and unfair to any newcomers to our sport
Click to expand...


As far as a newcomer goes, either way it'll still be the first time THEY ever heard the idea.

(Fred's in biiiiigg trouble now the next time he posts on RSB) :eek:
 
Well,

I got the answer from the cue maker. Basically it wasan issue where he feels his cues play better with aegis ferrule's. Since he's the expert on his cues and the way they're built, I'm not disputing it.

FWIW,

Jim
 
jhendri2 said:
Well,

I got the answer from the cue maker. Basically it wasan issue where he feels his cues play better with aegis ferrule's. Since he's the expert on his cues and the way they're built, I'm not disputing it.

FWIW,

Jim
Click to expand...
Cuemaker from Colorado?
Aegis or linen melamine?
Have em try Ivor-X too ( available at 5starbilliards.com).
 
Joey,

No he's not from Colorado. He's very well known and established. As a matter of fact Fred Agnir and Deadstroke32 has one of his cues. I've seen the pictures (hint hint). He's offering a very competive price for what I want, I may get the cue made by him...see the design in the "Ask the Cuemaker" section in a thread by me.

Jim
 
Last edited:
I would agree that Ivory ferrules hit so hard that they cause some unwanted deflection. They are pretty, but that is where their benefits stop in my opinion. I have put many on and inlay a lot of ivory in cues. I am probably the third top Ivory provider to the pool industry so it is obvious I have nothing to gain by saying Ivory ferrules cause deflection. It is just a fact. But some like the feel. Just like some like the feel of ferrules made out of cue balls. Those play even worse than Ivory and Aeigis. Very hard. But feel is something we all need maybe even more than less deflection. The absolute worse ferrule is stainless steel that I have hit with. But if you like the way it feels you will mentally adjust for the deflection.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
cueman said:
I would agree that Ivory ferrules hit so hard that they cause some unwanted deflection. They are pretty, but that is where their benefits stop in my opinion. But some like the feel. Just like some like the feel of ferrules made out of cue balls. Those play even worse than Ivory and Aeigis. Very hard. But feel is something we all need maybe even more than less deflection. The absolute worse ferrule is stainless steel that I have hit with. But if you like the way it feels you will mentally adjust for the deflection.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
Click to expand...


I agree with you about the stainless steel ferrules. A few years ago, just for the hell of it, I had a shaft modified to fit these specially made screw on ferrules. I did it mainly to see what a variety of tips felt and played like as well as different tip sizes that ranged from 14mm to 12mm. I had a combination of stainless steel ferrules and plastic ferrules (I'm not sure which plastic) and tips that ranged from a soft Elkmaster to XHard Hercules. There were about 12-15 all told. The stainless steel had so much deflection that it was incredible, and I don't think anyone could ever get used to something like that I don't care how great it felt.

I have ivory ferrules on a good number of shafts as well as every other plastic brand of ferrule out there, and ivory does play differently. Personally I do like the feel and you can really keep them clean. Does ivory give you more accuracy than plastic? I don't think so. Does it cause worse accuracy than plastic? I think it could, but not necessarily if you get used to it. I find problems with ivory when I really have to power a ball with a lot of english. You have to watch out, that is until you learn your aiming adjustments. If you play with one for a couple of hours and then flip back over to another type, you can definitely tell the difference in CB action and aiming until you get used to it.
 
drivermaker said:
I have ivory ferrules on a good number of shafts as well as every other plastic brand of ferrule out there, and ivory does play differently. Personally I do like the feel and you can really keep them clean. Does ivory give you more accuracy than plastic? I don't think so. Does it cause worse accuracy than plastic? I think it could, but not necessarily if you get used to it. I find problems with ivory when I really have to power a ball with a lot of english. You have to watch out, that is until you learn your aiming adjustments. If you play with one for a couple of hours and then flip back over to another type, you can definitely tell the difference in CB action and aiming until you get used to it.
Click to expand...

I don't think you could've said it better. I feel exactly as you and cueman. I love the feel of ivory ferrule's. I'm also more of a traditionalist, I prefer ivory over plastic.

Jim
 
jhendri2 said:
I don't think you could've said it better. I feel exactly as you and cueman. I love the feel of ivory ferrule's. I'm also more of a traditionalist, I prefer ivory over plastic.

Jim
Click to expand...

Jim,
I totally agree with you. Ivory ferrules are great. I dont care what people say about the high level of deflection. Its all about adjusting your game to the cue. Once you got that, its awesome. I have no problems pocketing a ball using a power-stroke with tons of juice on it... All of my cues that I play with consistantly have ivory ferrules. Wouldnt have it any other way.
Erik
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top