Inconsistency in Match Scheduling

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I have noticed that the IPT has done a decent job scheduling the matches such that the players of the same country face each other first (or at least very early) in a given round. This is to avoid any "business" that can take place if they meet late in the round.

For example, Reyes and Pagulayan played each other first today. Same with Engert and Ortmann. I also recall Parica and Orcullo playing each other first in yesterday's round, as well Engert playing Michael Schmidt. Scheduling the matchups this way is just a good idea.

However...the IPT is INCONSISTENT when dealing with the American players in the same group. For the last two days, there have been and are cases where American players play each other LAST.

For example, I'm sure I'm not the only one that noticed Morris and Williams playing each other for the last match of yesterday's round. Coming into that last match, Williams was undefeated and guaranteed a spot into the next round. Morris could only make it through if he beats Williams. Morris ended winning that match, guaranteeing him a spot through the next round.

Today, Williams is playing Harriman and Morris is facing Deuel for the last matches of the day. The Williams/Harriman match is inconsequential, but not so for the Deuel/Morris match. Morris is guaranteed to move through to the next round, but Deuel has to win his match in order to stay alive (Busta would also have to lose his match).

I'm not implying in any way that there has been or will be any "business" or "dealings" going on with the American players...but i'm sure lots of the other players will probably speculate depending on a particular outcome. Why wouldn't the IPT avoid these situations involving American players? It is surely obvious the IPT has avoided these situations with Germany and the Philippines...why not so for the US? The IPT should be consistent regarding this.
 
With a score of 8 to 1 Corey Deuel over Morris, this leaves that win open to speculation and a possible conspiracy angle specially if Hsia wins over Alcaide. In this scenario, Busta did NOT even have to win against Boyes to advance because of Busta's higher winning percentage. Corey Deuel realy did have something to smile about.
 
jsp said:
I have noticed that the IPT has done a decent job scheduling the matches such that the players of the same country face each other first (or at least very early) in a given round. This is to avoid any "business" that can take place if they meet late in the round.

For example, Reyes and Pagulayan played each other first today. Same with Engert and Ortmann. I also recall Parica and Orcullo playing each other first in yesterday's round, as well Engert playing Michael Schmidt. Scheduling the matchups this way is just a good idea.

However...the IPT is INCONSISTENT when dealing with the American players in the same group. For the last two days, there have been and are cases where American players play each other LAST.

For example, I'm sure I'm not the only one that noticed Morris and Williams playing each other for the last match of yesterday's round. Coming into that last match, Williams was undefeated and guaranteed a spot into the next round. Morris could only make it through if he beats Williams. Morris ended winning that match, guaranteeing him a spot through the next round.

Today, Williams is playing Harriman and Morris is facing Deuel for the last matches of the day. The Williams/Harriman match is inconsequential, but not so for the Deuel/Morris match. Morris is guaranteed to move through to the next round, but Deuel has to win his match in order to stay alive (Busta would also have to lose his match).

I'm not implying in any way that there has been or will be any "business" or "dealings" going on with the American players...but i'm sure lots of the other players will probably speculate depending on a particular outcome. Why wouldn't the IPT avoid these situations involving American players? It is surely obvious the IPT has avoided these situations with Germany and the Philippines...why not so for the US? The IPT should be consistent regarding this.
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I was under the impression that a players position in a group was dependent on how he placed in the previous round and that the schedule in the goups was pre-determined also based on position. For example. if you notice the top two players in a group always play each other last, I think.

I don't think there has been any intentional scheduling of people from the same country early in a round to avoid "business" as you call it. It just happened that way because of their positions in the group.
 
f210 said:
With a score of 8 to 1 Corey Deuel over Morris, this leaves that win open to speculation and a possible conspiracy angle specially if Hsia wins over Alcaide. In this scenario, Busta did NOT even have to win against Boyes to advance because of Busta's higher winning percentage. Corey Deuel realy did have something to smile about.
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I have to admit...when I first saw the lopsided score 8-1, it made think that many people would speculate on the match. However, after I noticed that Corey had 6 BNRs in that match, that pretty much puts to rest the theory that Morris eased up. He never really had a chance to...LOL. It's a really a good thing that Corey had that many BNRs...if Corey only had 1 or 2, i'm sure Busta would really be thinking twice about the match.
 
Not sure

Not sure,but it looks like in round of 6,1 plays 6,2 plays 5,3 plays 4,in round of 5,highest ranking player gets early round off,then 2 plays 5,3plays 4, and so on,how they finished i believe is how there seeded from day before.
 
GADawg said:
I was under the impression that a players position in a group was dependent on how he placed in the previous round and that the schedule in the goups was pre-determined also based on position. For example. if you notice the top two players in a group always play each other last, I think.
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Actually, no. There is no predetermined order whatsoever. Look at the schedules of this round and last round.
 
The Kid said:
I was wondering the same thing, especially Deuel playing Morris.
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Not only Deuel and Morris.
Look what happend in the Williams vs Immonen match.
Williams lost 3 at this moment and was out. Immonen had 2 wins before this match and need this match to have a chance in the last match against Souquet.
Not only Americans help each other.
UPA friends does the same.
How strong is the UPA friendship ( Deuel, Morris, Immonen ) at the last day.
I hope the UPA friends get what they earn - rank 4, 5 and 6.
 
jsp said:
I have noticed that the IPT has done a decent job scheduling the matches such that the players of the same country face each other first (or at least very early) in a given round. This is to avoid any "business" that can take place if they meet late in the round.

For example, Reyes and Pagulayan played each other first today. Same with Engert and Ortmann. I also recall Parica and Orcullo playing each other first in yesterday's round, as well Engert playing Michael Schmidt. Scheduling the matchups this way is just a good idea.

However...the IPT is INCONSISTENT when dealing with the American players in the same group. For the last two days, there have been and are cases where American players play each other LAST.

For example, I'm sure I'm not the only one that noticed Morris and Williams playing each other for the last match of yesterday's round. Coming into that last match, Williams was undefeated and guaranteed a spot into the next round. Morris could only make it through if he beats Williams. Morris ended winning that match, guaranteeing him a spot through the next round.

Today, Williams is playing Harriman and Morris is facing Deuel for the last matches of the day. The Williams/Harriman match is inconsequential, but not so for the Deuel/Morris match. Morris is guaranteed to move through to the next round, but Deuel has to win his match in order to stay alive (Busta would also have to lose his match).

I'm not implying in any way that there has been or will be any "business" or "dealings" going on with the American players...but i'm sure lots of the other players will probably speculate depending on a particular outcome. Why wouldn't the IPT avoid these situations involving American players? It is surely obvious the IPT has avoided these situations with Germany and the Philippines...why not so for the US? The IPT should be consistent regarding this.
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Excellent observations and a good post.I was kind of wondering what would happen with the Morris/Deuel match today.Not saying there was a scam,however,because the players were warned about the consequences of throwing matches.

Having said that, you ust never know.
RJ
 
jsp said:
I have to admit...when I first saw the lopsided score 8-1, it made think that many people would speculate on the match. However, after I noticed that Corey had 6 BNRs in that match, that pretty much puts to rest the theory that Morris eased up. He never really had a chance to...LOL. It's a really a good thing that Corey had that many BNRs...if Corey only had 1 or 2, i'm sure Busta would really be thinking twice about the match.
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Oops...I'm mistaken. Corey didn't have 6 BNRs (I was looking at his match against Hsia), he only had 3 BNRs in his last match against Morris. That certainly means that Rodney definitely had numerous times at the table.

It certainly doesn't look good if you go undefeated in your matches, averaging over 3 BNRs per match, and suddenly get slaughtered in your final match against your American buddy 8-1 with 0 BNRs. It's even worse that Rodney said in his post match interview...

"You know, it’s hard to play when I am already in and the match doesn’t matter. They say every match is more money, but realistically, you can’t give it your all when it doesn’t mean anything."

Cmon Rodney, you know better than to say something like that, considering Busta would probably be in the final 6 instead of Deuel if Rodney did in fact "give it his all."

Again, makes you think.
 
jsp said:
"You know, it’s hard to play when I am already in and the match doesn’t matter. They say every match is more money, but realistically, you can’t give it your all when it doesn’t mean anything."
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That statement will stand in court, so to speak. He didn't admit he took a dive, but it is almost admitting he purposely lost to Deuel. What a shame...
 
I would imagine

that the scheduling is automated on their computer like most everything else is, and that computer logic or algorythmn was used. Sheesh, you guys are so suspicious of everything little thing .... bet you're wives appreciate that characteristic of you! ..... lol
 
There was a lot of speculation that Orcollo(already in) threw at match at the last(Vegas) tourney for Pagulayans benefit. If so I can't remember if it was an American who got the shaft or not.

So basically there's been speculation that the Flipino's have thrown a match and that the Americans did likewise.If it goes on it's probably not limited to one country or culture.

RJ
 
recoveryjones said:
There was a lot of speculation that Orcollo(already in) threw at match at the last(Vegas) tourney for Pagulayans benefit. If so I can't remember if it was an American who got the shaft or not.

So basically there's been speculation that the Flipino's have thrown a match and that the Americans did likewise.If it goes on it's probably not limited to one country or culture.

RJ
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It was Niels Feijen who was booted out.
 
recoveryjones said:
There was a lot of speculation that Orcollo(already in) threw at match at the last(Vegas) tourney for Pagulayans benefit. If so I can't remember if it was an American who got the shaft or not.

So basically there's been speculation that the Flipino's have thrown a match and that the Americans did likewise.If it goes on it's probably not limited to one country or culture.

RJ
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Alex and Dennis are arch rivals. They are not exactly the best of friends so this is less likely to happen
 
Apparently Orcollo cleaned up on Alex for a ton of cash gambling over in the Phillipines.Alex eventually got him once, however, his track record isn't that good against D.O.

Losing can breed anonmosity.
Even so there were rumours going on about him dropping that match.
RJ
 
Snapshot9 said:
that the scheduling is automated on their computer like most everything else is, and that computer logic or algorythmn was used. Sheesh, you guys are so suspicious of everything little thing .... bet you're wives appreciate that characteristic of you! ..... lol
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Snapshot9, I'm with you. These guys must pay for everything with cash because they'd be afraid to hand anyone their credit card for fear of getting double swipped...:)
 
Hi all, personally I think IPT is inconsistent when applying countrymen vs countrymen rules (pinoys n germans). They don't apply it to the Americans (william vs morris & deuel vs morris).
I don't think this is coincidence.
Even though it's unfair, unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it, money rules ;)

For refference, read this link
http://worldpoolchampionship.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2885&whichpage=1

and then this:
http://worldpoolchampionship.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2915&whichpage=5
 
jsp said:
Cmon Rodney, you know better than to say something like that, considering Busta would probably be in the final 6 instead of Deuel if Rodney did in fact "give it his all."

Busta has no one to blame but himself. If he would of beat Boyes he would of been in, regardless of what happened in the Deuel/Morris match. Seems he never wins the big ones.
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