Inconsistent stroke

RG1 said:
When i first figured this out, I was experimenting with a closed bridged techniques. One time I really locked my cue in my bridge and it could only move in a straight line. I took a shot which i initially thought was correct but my subconscious tried to make an adjustment as my tip was approaching the Cb and at the same time i started rising off the shot and naturally i missed.
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Impossible. There is no such thing as a bridge so tight that the cue can only go straight...or anything close to it. BIG misconception.

Crooked strokes HAVE to be corrected by various other means having little to do with the tightness of the bridge as CHAMPION players prove in every match they've ever been in...using an open hand bridge with great frequency. Some actually prefer it.

LOL

EagleMan
 
lol :grin-square: your not as wise as you think friend. This is obviously beyond your understanding and why I have been continually referring to the basics in our exchanges.
 
duckie said:
Here is a few shots to really test your stroke.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=288782

Just like you can take all the music lessons you want,if you dont put in the practice, you will never be a musican, just someone making a bunch of noise.

Lessons will never replace experince, practice. Thinking that taking lessons will automaticlly improve your game will lead to future disappoint when you do not improve.
Your stroke has to work from any position, even arkward ones, and maybe one handed. No lessons will provide you the same level of experince as 2 or more hours a day, at least 5 days a week. The thing is, if you put in this amount of time and really apply yourself, you will figure out yourself what works for you and what doesn't.

People I play are amazed at my cue ball control from any shooting positions and the reason is I put in the time and they don't. When you cross that line that separtes those that play at pool to the side of a pool players, evrything changes. And if you have to ask what the difference is, you still are playing at pool.
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Absolutely correct.

BUT....it is literally impossible that taking lessons from a competent pro instructor will fail to ACCELERATE the learning/achievement process IF the student practices what he/she is being taught.

And, I think there is literally no such thing as an entirely "self-taught" high speed player...while there are LOTS of average players who are.

ALL of the high speed players HAVE had "lessons" if only from very accomplished people they play with....like Willie Mosconi.

But bangers playing bangers only "learn" how NOT to play advanced pool.

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EagleMan
 
EagleMan said:
Impossible. There is no such thing as a bridge so tight that the cue can only go straight...or anything close to it. BIG misconception.

Crooked strokes HAVE to be corrected by various other means having little to do with the tightness of the bridge as CHAMPION players prove in every match they've ever been in...using an open hand bridge with great frequency. Some actually prefer it.

LOL

EagleMan
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Right lol again this shows me this is all above your understanding and why you needed to get so many lessons from Pro's ;)
 
RG1 said:
Right lol again this shows me this is all above your understanding and why you needed to get so many lessons from Pro's ;)
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LOL! Yep...yep...getting lessons from of the best players and instructors on planet Earth was a REALLY STUPID IDEA!!! LOL

And as far as it being impossible to force a straight stroke with a tight bridge grip....let's get down to the nut cuttin'.

How 'bout a friendly wager. I'm good for up to $10k. LOL

1. YOU grip the cue any way you like...of course legally and without any mecahanical apparatus.

2. CB at the head string and OB 2 diamonds above a corner pocket for a stright in shot.

3. You take two warm up strokes then the actual stroke...taking a backstroke of no less than 4 inches and which takes not less than one second to fully complete.

4. A neutral 3rd party will stand next to you and gently push your butt hand as you deliver the stroke.

5. Result? You will MISS the shot because your cue WILL NOT travel on the intended line that your tight bridge grip is supposed to guarantee.

6. We both post up with a trustworthy 3rd party in an amount sufficient to cover my air fare and lodging + a minumum of $1k to make it worth my while.

Are you STILL LOLing???

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EagleMan
 
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Take # 3 out & I'd gauge up to the CB & shoot a very, very, short stroke & slow roll it.

But.... with # 3 in there, it seems like a well thought out one sided bet.

Do they teach that skill in BCA instructors' school or is it learned from the school of hard knocks?:wink:
 
LOL :grin-square: You getting lessons from of the best players and instructors on planet Earth was actually REALLY GREAT IDEA!!! LOL I Think you need all the help you can get and more lol :grin-square: I am not breaking your chops too much am i since your now making the huge bets? ;)

Now the difference between you and I is that you have been programmed on how you are supposed to play. As for me, i don't know whats right and wrong, I find that out on the table myself. I try everything and find out what works and what doesn't work and why.
 
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duckie said:
Here is a few shots to really test your stroke.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=288782

Just like you can take all the music lessons you want,if you dont put in the practice, you will never be a musican, just someone making a bunch of noise.

Lessons will never replace experince, practice. Thinking that taking lessons will automaticlly improve your game will lead to future disappoint when you do not improve.

Your stroke has to work from any position, even arkward ones, and maybe one handed. No lessons will provide you the same level of experince as 2 or more hours a day, at least 5 days a week. The thing is, if you put in this amount of time and really apply yourself, you will figure out yourself what works for you and what doesn't.

People I play are amazed at my cue ball control from any shooting positions and the reason is I put in the time and they don't. When you cross that line that separtes those that play at pool to the side of a pool players, evrything changes. And if you have to ask what the difference is, you still are playing at pool.
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They beat you up pretty good on that link to the other thread and I "am amazed" why you would even bring up that thread.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Take # 3 out & I'd gauge up to the CB & shoot a very, very, short stroke & slow roll it.

But.... with # 3 in there, it seems like a well thought out one sided bet.

Do they teach that skill in BCA instructors' school or is it learned from the school of hard knocks?:wink:
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Good catch re: #3. See my edit.

And hard knocks for a LOT of years!!!!

And as for the bet being one-sided, I HOPE so! All I've ever wanted in life is an unfair advantage!

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EagleMan
 
EagleMan,

Thanks for the chuckles.:lol:

I can also do & very quick 4 inch stroke. I would want the 3rd. party to be a very, very old frail woman either on crutches or in a wheel chair.

Regards,
 
RG1 said:
LOL :grin-square: You getting lessons from of the best players and instructors on planet Earth was actually REALLY GREAT IDEA!!! LOL I Think you need all the help you can get and more lol :grin-square: I am not breaking your chops too much am i since your now making the huge bets? ;)

Now the difference between you and I is that you have been programmed on how you are supposed to play. As for me, i don't know whats right and wrong, I find that out on the table myself. I try everything and find out what works and what doesn't work and why.
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Actually it's "busting chops" and "breaking balls." So, yet another difference between us is that I don't mix my metaphors. LOL

Is $10k a "huge bet?" LOL

Just trying to get you to man up and admit that what you were mistaken when you wrote about a tight bridge grip HAVING to result in the cue to going straight.

You will admit that...right? LOL

And just curious...have you set a forum record for using LOL in your posts?
LOL

And finally...I hope you're having as much fun in our diaglog as I am.

It's always FUN to duke it out...in the most friendly state of mind possible...with a guy who thinks it's pretty silly to take lessons from top pros and world champion players.

And I really apologize for being foolish enough to have done that. Really...I mean it.

LOL

BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAA....OUCH!

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EagleMan
 
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EagleMan said:
Actually it's "busting chops" and "breaking balls." So, yet another difference between us is that I don't mix my metaphors. LOL

Is $10k a "huge bet?" LOL

Just trying to get you to man up and admit that what you were mistaken when you wrote about a tight bridge grip HAVING to result in the cue to going straight.

You will admit that...right? LOL

And just curious...have you set a forum record for using LOL in your posts?
LOL

And finally...I hope you're having as much fun in our diaglog as I am.

It's always FUN to duke it out...in the most friendly state of mind possible...with a guy who thinks it's pretty silly to take lessons from top pros and world champion players.

And I really apologize for being foolish enough to have done that. Really...I mean it.

LOL

BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAA....OUCH!

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EagleMan
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I still stand firmly behind all my posts in this thread :thumbup:

I said that it was great that you searched the world for help from top pro's and world champions! I think this search of yours should continue because you give hope to those that have learning issues and that they should never give up hope! your doing a good thing :thumbup:

double click on the link below sir LOL <<<< it's funny and seems to fit perfectly into our exchanges :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt5JwkpQ8SM
 
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EagleMan said:
Nope. Gotta be a legal shot and kicking folks would be an unsportsmanlike conduct foul.


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EagleMan
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Well....hitting my cue when I'm shooting is also unsportmanlike conduct.

This is propsition bet. If you don't have it laid out exactly, things can pop up. I'm sure you know that.

Hell, I make a lot of shots with a non straight stroke off of an open bridge. If let me know what side the 3rd. party is going be pushing my cue, I might be able to make the shot anyway.:wink:
 
ENGLISH! said:
Well....hitting my cue when I'm shooting is also unsportmanlike conduct.

This is propsition bet. If you don't have it laid out exactly, things can pop up. I'm sure you know that.

Hell, I make a lot of shots with a non straight stroke off of an open bridge. If let me know what side the 3rd. party is going be pushing my cue, I might be able to make the shot anyway.:wink:
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No...the pushing of the stroke arm would be AGREED to. All other elements of the shot would have to be legal!

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EagleMan
 
RG1 said:
I still stand firmly behind all my posts in this thread :thumbup:

I said that it was great that you searched the world for help from top pro's and world champions! I think this search of yours should continue because you give hope to those that have learning issues and that they should never give up hope! your doing a good thing :thumbup:

double click on the link below sir LOL <<<< it's funny and seems to fit perfectly into our exchanges :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt5JwkpQ8SM
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Like Quixote....undaunted, he argues on. LOL

And the youtube was hillarious. But I get to be the Matt Damon character. He can give the other guy the 6 out.

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EagleMan

PS: I hope you know I'm just having fun. You're probably a really nice guy...however misguided at times.

LOL
 
yes its all good :thumbup: i am always up for some fun. You skipped my question about stan shuffett?
 
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