Inside Verses Outside English

[BRKNRUN]

I like inside english a whole lot. I am a low B and would say that I use it significantly more than other players at my speed. I especially like using it going forward and spinning off the rails. In the diagram below, I would play it with inside and a soft stroke. Most players would play it with center to outside and come straight across table with a firmer stroke. One benefit to inside is that if you are a bit off, the object ball will spin into the pocket, instead of being spit out of the pocket.

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I don't have a problem with hitting that shot, but in all honesty, the only problem I would have with that pattern is that you are out of line on the next shot all the way until you get in position...

If the angle is there to come straight accross, you have a much bigger area to land in for a shot on the next ball, and I am confident enough in my stroke that scratching in the side is not a issue here.......JMO

 

[Colin Colenso]

Hi Colin,

In US usage, inside and outside english have no relation whatsoever to any cushion contact. They refer only to how the cue ball rubs on the object ball. We call spins "running" or "reverse" on the cushions depending on whether the cue ball is speeded up or slowed down by the rubbing on the rail. You may want to look at the RSB FAQ glossary which covers these terms (somewhat) and tries to include the UK equivalents as well.

Bob,
If you read my post more carefully, you'll see that was the point I was making. Though I couldn't remember the term reverse english right at that time. We call it check as you're probably aware.

It's worth noting that in snooker circles the terms or the idea of inside and outside english are not used. They use check and running to mean the same thing quite often, of which I guess you're aware. It make for a lot of confusion.

 

[LastTwo]

I like inside english a whole lot. I am a low B and would say that I use it significantly more than other players at my speed. I especially like using it going forward and spinning off the rails. In the diagram below, I would play it with inside and a soft stroke. Most players would play it with center to outside and come straight across table with a firmer stroke. One benefit to inside is that if you are a bit off, the object ball will spin into the pocket, instead of being spit out of the pocket.

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I think your diagram might be a little off because pulling shape off that shot with top left, the CB can't follow the path you showed with the arrows. The cueball needs to be a little straighter to follow that path. Going across the table is the right shot, unless there are too many blockers or something.

 

[JohnnyP]

We all know how to move the cueball with high inside or low outside. How many have played around with the opposites, high outside and low inside?

I remember reading Mosconi's little book years ago (1964 ish?), and it showed some 14.1 breakshots. One shot that I didn't understand at the time showed the break ball on the rail, alongside the pack, and the cueball above the pack.
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The text below the drawing said something like "hit with high outside, cueball flights into rack." The drawing showed a dotted arc, depicting the path of the cueball, as it leaves the table and lands in the middle of the rack.

Recently, I've fooled around with high outside when I'm stuck near the bottom rail, almost straight in on a ball. It takes a pretty hard hit, with lots of juice. Mostly fails, but looks neat when it works:

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Here's one where low INSIDE is fun to watch. On this shot, you have to stroke it with low, to get the cueball to slide past the two ball. The temptation is to add some outside, but you risk spinning the cueball up table. Try it with low inside, which will keep the cueball from running away.

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[Rod]

Your learning and yes experiment. You'll never know how the c/b reacts unless you try. Inside english is a savior for many shots. Problem is, most don't know because there comfortable playing lop sided. Thats just like only shooting right handed, well if you practice a little with the left hand, use it insted of a bridge.

Here is a shot that few ever trys. It really is the same effect as the one you show, except using inside in your example isn't necessary. That is, not to keep the ball from going up table, (speed of stroke does that) but to creat more angle. You need shape on the 9. Most will rely on outside. Why, because thats what their use to shooting. Perfect speed gets you inside the 9 but it's difficult at best. Why not just shoot with low inside? It barely slows up the c/b. All it has to do is touch the rail and you'll easily go outside of the 9. Even Low center has near the effect but it puts you closer to the 9 ball. It doesn't take much inside but it does work.

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Rod