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Does the Nylon (?) strip on the rail rubber face up or down when installed?
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scruffy1 said:
Why would it face up when the non backed side is the curved side? On every other type of rubber the curved side is on the top side.
Because that's the profile of billiards rubber, pool rubber the hump faces up.Scottster said:
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Exactly! And the humped side is the side without the cloth backing!realkingcobra said:
In most cases you'd be right, but with billiards rubber it goes on upside down to give you the best rebound, as with the Intercontinental K55 on the rails...it goes on upside down, but in this case...with the canvas backing up...which is the right way of installing the cushions....trust meScottster said:
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realkingcobra said:In most cases you'd be right, but with billiards rubber it goes on upside down to give you the best rebound, as with the Intercontinental K55 on the rails...it goes on upside down, but in this case...with the canvas backing up...which is the right way of installing the cushions....trust me
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If so, then the rail height is too high. Which explains why Diamonds bank a little short.
No, actually the cushion height on a 9ft Diamond with the Intercontinental cushions is right on at 1 7/16"s...right where they're suppose to be. I've also installed these cushions on Brunswick Gold Crowns as well, they work great. The pictures I posted of how to correctly recover rails, has the Intercontinental cushions on them, and they were GC2's.Scottster said:
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I think what you're missunderstanding, is that when these cushions are actually installed on a billiards table, the bevel used on a billiards table sets the cushion at a higher point being 1 9/16's instead of the height of 1 7/16's needed for playing pool. So, the difference between the two, is the bevel of the subrail face, which is what separates the two different games because of the difference in the size of the balls.Scottster said:
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PS. Any billiards rubber can be adapted to fit a pool table
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Then why on Verhoeven and Gabriels 3C tables, the cloth strip is installed on the bottom?
If a person installed Championship K55 rubber "Humpside" Down people would call you nuts. However it is OK to install Intercontinental 66 upside down. I dont get it.
If a person installed Championship K55 rubber "Humpside" Down people would call you nuts. However it is OK to install Intercontinental 66 upside down. I dont get it.
Just my two cents, Scott... Why ask a question if you're going to argue with the expert that answers you? Are you quizzing us or seeking information?
We did not say it would not work upside down, but if you have rails cut at a angle for 55 or 66 that control fabric should face up to give you the proper height. I dont care if you put em on sideways lol, that height of the nose of the cushion,as glen said, needs to be 1 7/16 high. Is your table a antique?
Alright, class 101 cushions is now in session...LOL First of all, the canvas backing molded into the rail cushions is for the purpose of creating kind of like a shock absorber, a stiffener so to speak. On a billiards table, the cushions are turned upside down for 2 reasons, one being that the bottom side up gives you a better bank on a billiards rail, the second being that you can level the cue more when hitting the cue ball because the hump on the top side of the cushions is now on the bottom of the cushion, allowing for a more level hit on the cue ball. Playing billiards, you want the cushions to be more lively, so with the hump, being the thickest part of the cushion on the bottom of the rail, you get more bank speed with the stroke, there for more cushions, the canvas backing helps control the compression of the bottom side of the cushion, helping to give you more of a straight back compression into the cushion for a more responsive rebound.
Now, on pool tables, the canvas and hump is on the top side of the cushion because it helps dampen the cushion somewhat, to give you more of a controlled bank, not as lively so to speak, a little harder to compress, when banking a ball into the cushion. Some cushions, like the Championship Tour Edition K55 still has the hump on the top side, but don't have the compression control canvas molded into the rubber. I don't really care for this cushion rubber because I don't feel it banks as well as cushions that use the canvas control for compression, I feel that the Championship is to soft because of the lack of the canvas. On Mikes table I just installed the Tour Edition cushion rubber on, I could only get 4 1/2 times the length of the table no matter how hard I hit the cue ball, every-time it would end up right between the side pockets when it stopped rolling.
Now, you have the Artimus K55 Intercontinental cushions. Installed like on a billiards table, upside down, but the canvas compression control strip is molded into the bottom side, which is now mounted on top. This gives you the best of both worlds You now have a cushion that plays almost like a billiards cushion, but has been slowed down a little with the compression control canvas, AND you don't have to deal with the hump back on the top side of the cushion when trying to line up on a cue ball frozen to the rail, so you now get to line up almost straight level with your cue.
I understand its unorthodox, but it is correct to mount it canvas side up. The Artimus K66 is made normal, just like all other K66 cushions, and mounts just like normal, but you can't install it on Diamonds or Brunswick's, unless you make some severe changes to the sub-rails first, as neither table is designed for the use of K66 cushions.
These are some pictures of Mikes GC1 I just set up, replaced the cushions, and tightened the pockets to 4 1/2" and 5". The corner pockets are now at 141 miter, and the side pockets are at 102 miter. He's still looking for some blinds for the rails, so if anyone knows of any, let me know.
Glen
Now, on pool tables, the canvas and hump is on the top side of the cushion because it helps dampen the cushion somewhat, to give you more of a controlled bank, not as lively so to speak, a little harder to compress, when banking a ball into the cushion. Some cushions, like the Championship Tour Edition K55 still has the hump on the top side, but don't have the compression control canvas molded into the rubber. I don't really care for this cushion rubber because I don't feel it banks as well as cushions that use the canvas control for compression, I feel that the Championship is to soft because of the lack of the canvas. On Mikes table I just installed the Tour Edition cushion rubber on, I could only get 4 1/2 times the length of the table no matter how hard I hit the cue ball, every-time it would end up right between the side pockets when it stopped rolling.
Now, you have the Artimus K55 Intercontinental cushions. Installed like on a billiards table, upside down, but the canvas compression control strip is molded into the bottom side, which is now mounted on top. This gives you the best of both worlds
You now have a cushion that plays almost like a billiards cushion, but has been slowed down a little with the compression control canvas, AND you don't have to deal with the hump back on the top side of the cushion when trying to line up on a cue ball frozen to the rail, so you now get to line up almost straight level with your cue. I understand its unorthodox, but it is correct to mount it canvas side up. The Artimus K66 is made normal, just like all other K66 cushions, and mounts just like normal, but you can't install it on Diamonds or Brunswick's, unless you make some severe changes to the sub-rails first, as neither table is designed for the use of K66 cushions.
These are some pictures of Mikes GC1 I just set up, replaced the cushions, and tightened the pockets to 4 1/2" and 5". The corner pockets are now at 141 miter, and the side pockets are at 102 miter. He's still looking for some blinds for the rails, so if anyone knows of any, let me know.
Glen
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In this picture, you can see I installed the cloth without using the backing boards to staple the cloth to. I installed the Simonis 860 using a 2 1/4" stretch from side to side first, then end to end, it is on tighter than...well, you know what I mean
Glen
Just goes to show you, I'd never have to replace ANY slates backer boards to recover a table...LOL ANY one want to challenge me as to how tight you can put the cloth on using staples?...
Glen
Just goes to show you, I'd never have to replace ANY slates backer boards to recover a table...LOL ANY one want to challenge me as to how tight you can put the cloth on using staples?...
