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steev

steev

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I've worked on this shot on occasion over the years. The bank's a double kiss. Don't post telling me it isn't, it's not important. On a bar table, I popped this and jumped the OB off the rail _over_ the CB to avoid the double kiss. Anyone else try this on a regular basis? It's not too bad if you come across it set up right.

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I would shoot with top left and shoot as hard as possible. Might get the same jumping effect from a wild stroke though...
 
I and quite a few of my friends hit this ball with a lot of top to force it to jump over the CB like you said. The crappy tables we have at college have slow rails, so the ball catches on the rails and jump easily.

If the cue ball is a bit farther from the rail and you force A LOT of top on it, you can jump the OB off the bank which can come handy in very rare situations. Plus it looks amazing if you pull it off.
 
not to knock anyone's technique, but i simply jump the cb SLIGHTLY into the OB. this, at speed, gets the job done. top, bottom, whatever.

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Shoot this shot all the time for practice and bets with low inside. Don't know why you have to jump the cue over the ball?

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klockdoc said:
Shoot this shot all the time for practice and bets with low inside. Don't know why you have to jump the cue over the ball?

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Right. I can't imagine why he thinks it's a double kiss. Inside low nails it.

Maybe the diagram is not exactly how he actually sets it up. The small scale could be deceiving.

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Jim
 
I don't see how a circus shot helps you here. as others have pointed out the shot to the side is makable as its drawn up... but if the double kiss is certain you can still bank to the bottom left corner(on the diagram) the fact that you only show the OB and the CB clouds the situation a bit. I have to assume that the corner shot is blocked as well as the cut to the top left corner... otherwise you would have taken one of those shots... right???

you said it was the only shot... but it could be it was the only shot you saw... which is a very different thing.. are we talking trick shots to impress your friends or possibly intimidate your opponent early in a match... or are you actually pinning your hopes of winning on this?
 
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I don't see how a circus shot helps you here. as others have pointed out the shot to the side is makable as its drawn up... but if the double kiss is certain you can still bank to the bottom left corner(on the diagram) the fact that you only show the OB and the CB clouds the situation a bit. I have to assume that the corner shot is blocked as well as the cut to the top left corner... otherwise you would have taken one of those shots... right???

you said it was the only shot... but it could be it was the only shot you saw... which is a very different thing.. are we talking trick shots to impress your friends or possibly intimidate your opponent early in a match... or are you actually pinning your hopes of winning on this?
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Jumping the object ball on a bank is actually a very reliable way of avoiding the kiss. There's no kiss in the diagrammed shot but that's not the point. I'd consider the jump-bank a very important bar table shot. And yes, I would pin my hopes of winning on this shot. If you think it's a low percentage shot, I'd be happy to bet on it.

Edit: I shot this earlier tonight to get out. Is it impressive? Maybe. Is it difficult? Not as much as you'd think.
 
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steev said:
I've worked on this shot on occasion over the years. The bank's a double kiss. Don't post telling me it isn't, it's not important. On a bar table, I popped this and jumped the OB off the rail _over_ the CB to avoid the double kiss. Anyone else try this on a regular basis? It's not too bad if you come across it set up right.

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I have seen this kind of a shot (OB jumping off a rail) several times in person and in some pool videos. though I haven't tried it yet, not even while practicing. I would however bank it over far down left corner pocket or just bank it in your proposed bottom side pocket by hitting the OB full ball using low inside english. this would move the CB away from the OB and would make the OB spin-off the rail to the intended bank line without having to worry about the kiss.
 
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Jumping the object ball on a bank is actually a very reliable way of avoiding the kiss. There's no kiss in the diagrammed shot but that's not the point. I'd consider the jump-bank a very important bar table shot. And yes, I would pin my hopes of winning on this shot. If you think it's a low percentage shot, I'd be happy to bet on it.

Edit: I shot this earlier tonight to get out. Is it impressive? Maybe. Is it difficult? Not as much as you'd think.
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Adding difficulty, expecting reliable table conditions ( ESPECIALLY ON A BAR BOX) all while attempting a circus shot... is simply foolhardy.. you take the shot you know you can make when its all on the line.... hope is for bad pool players in bad positions... skill is is never getting yourself into those positions in the first place and finding the smartest way out when your forced into them.

anytime a ball goes into the air its spin and roll when it lands is uncertain. you cannot count on it even with a perfect stroke.. there are too many variables at work.

That 3 ball can land in every pocket on the table as its drawn up all without leaving the felt.

The smart shot wins more games than the luck shot every time...
 
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softshot said:
Adding difficulty, expecting reliable table conditions ( ESPECIALLY ON A BAR BOX) all while attempting a circus shot... is simply foolhardy.. you take the shot you know you can make when its all on the line.... hope is for bad pool players in bad positions... skill is is never getting yourself into those positions in the first place and finding the smartest way out when your forced into them.

anytime a ball goes into the air its spin and roll when it lands is uncertain. you cannot count on it even with a perfect stroke.. there are too many variables at work.

That 3 ball can land in every pocket on the table as its drawn up all without leaving the felt.

The smart shot wins more games than the luck shot every time...
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I'm sorry, I should have clarified. It is a very reliable shot assuming I know the table well. Trust me, whatever spin the object ball has when it comes back down is negligible. I've made this shot many times and is just as reliable as any other bank shot. Try it out sometime. It's hit very low at a hundred miles per hour. The object ball cannot be closer than a ball's width from the rail.
 
Drew said:
I'm sorry, I should have clarified. It is a very reliable shot assuming I know the table well. Trust me, whatever spin the object ball has when it comes back down is negligible. I've made this shot many times and is just as reliable as any other bank shot. Try it out sometime. It's hit very low at a hundred miles per hour. The object ball cannot be closer than a ball's width from the rail.
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I'm sorry man, but the harder you hit a ball the less control you have.. hitting at 100 mph will make the shot more difficult. obviously to get it to pop up you have to hit hard. but I am already on record as saying thats a bad Idea.

the spin when it comes down is everything.. your hitting a zillion MPH into a rail on a bar box. and claiming you can control the roll when it comes down... I don't buy it.. if anyone had that kind of precision control at break speed they would have a case full of world titles.

and Efren would be their butler.
 
softshot said:
I'm sorry man, but the harder you hit a ball the less control you have.. hitting at 100 mph will make the shot more difficult. obviously to get it to pop up you have to hit hard. but I am already on record as saying thats a bad Idea.

the spin when it comes down is everything.. your hitting a zillion MPH into a rail on a bar box. and claiming you can control the roll when it comes down... I don't buy it.. if anyone had that kind of precision control at break speed they would have a case full of world titles.

and Efren would be their butler.
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That's what I'm saying. On a bar table, it is only on the surface about 2 feet or so. You would have to put some extremely goofy spin on the ball for it to take while traveling so fast for only 2 feet. If I remember, I'll take a camera down to the pool hall tomorrow and shoot it a few times.
 
Drew said:
That's what I'm saying. On a bar table, it is only on the surface about 2 feet or so. You would have to put some extremely goofy spin on the ball for it to take while traveling so fast for only 2 feet.
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"IF" you nail it dead on... if not that 3 ball could literally end up anywhere. It is a gut check shot for sure but if you are off by the tiniest amount... you miss and miss badly possibly selling out. I can maybe try the thin cut and miss and still have a chance to win... if the OP could show the full table layout then we will have a basis to argue this further :D
 
softshot said:
"IF" you nail it dead on... if not that 3 ball could literally end up anywhere. It is a gut check shot for sure but if you are off by the tiniest amount... you miss and miss badly possibly selling out. I can maybe try the thin cut and miss and still have a chance to win... if the OP could show the full table layout then we will have a basis to argue this further :D
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You're stripes...what do you do? I only see 2 options. Either bank into the side, or kick into the side.

Edit: Tough shot but you can try to put the CB between the 5 and the 7 too.

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Drew said:
You're stripes...what do you do? I only see 2 options. Either bank into the side, or kick into the side.

Edit: Tough shot but you can try to put the CB between the 5 and the 7 too.

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I come across the face of the 10 with high outside english banking to the bottome side. I shoot soft and land with a dead shot on the 8 if I make it I win.. if I miss you have a shot but have to run the table
 
softshot said:
I come across the face of the 10 with high outside english banking to the bottome side. I shoot soft and land with a dead shot on the 8 if I make it I win.. if I miss you have a shot but have to run the table
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Lol, on a bar table, I fire that 10 into the side. Any competent pool player can run out that table out.
 
It's the same principle as this shot. I shoot into the rail jacked up with high left, jump over the 1 and make the 10.


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Drew said:
Lol, on a bar table, I fire that 10 into the side. Any competent pool player can run out that table out.
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you fire it in ....I feather it in.... any competent player makes the shot and you don't get your chance to run out... I take the soft bank over the flying trapeze every time... out of 10 I'll win 8... or more.
 
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