IPT Break Tip - Any comments?

Da Poet

Da Poet

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I took the plunge on a Predator BK 2, and when I was talking to Seybert's about putting on a leather tip, they suggested the IPT break tip so for $20 extra, (not really because of the Seybert's Bucks thing) I gave it a shot. I figure I can always try something else later if I don't like it, but I was wondering if anyone has tried one of these tips before? Otherwise, when I get it, I'll be happy to report back.

Thanks!

BTW, I certainly wasn't expecting the IPT to come up in a cue purchase! I wonder if just before the break, the tip will vanish in thin air! lol
 
Da Poet said:
I took the plunge on a Predator BK 2, and when I was talking to Seybert's about putting on a leather tip, they suggested the IPT break tip so for $20 extra, (not really because of the Seybert's Bucks thing) I gave it a shot. I figure I can always try something else later if I don't like it, but I was wondering if anyone has tried one of these tips before? Otherwise, when I get it, I'll be happy to report back.

Thanks!

BTW, I certainly wasn't expecting the IPT to come up in a cue purchase! I wonder if just before the break, the tip will vanish in thin air! lol
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What is/was wrong with the tip that comes on the BK2?

BVal
 
Da Poet said:
I took the plunge on a Predator BK 2, and when I was talking to Seybert's about putting on a leather tip, they suggested the IPT break tip so for $20 extra, (not really because of the Seybert's Bucks thing) I gave it a shot. I figure I can always try something else later if I don't like it, but I was wondering if anyone has tried one of these tips before? Otherwise, when I get it, I'll be happy to report back.

Thanks!

BTW, I certainly wasn't expecting the IPT to come up in a cue purchase! I wonder if just before the break, the tip will vanish in thin air! lol
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Ah yes...the famous "IPT" break tip. What they neglected to tell you was if you win any money with it...people won't pay you.
Seriously...they must have seen you coming.;)
 
Varney Cues said:
Ah yes...the famous "IPT" break tip. What they neglected to tell you was if you win any money with it...people won't pay you.
Seriously...they must have seen you coming.;)
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Yeah but did you know the IPT break tip is a natural cure for about 4,000 illnesses?
 
BVal said:
What is/was wrong with the tip that comes on the BK2?

BVal
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Nothing really except that lately I've been focusing more on accuracy than power in my breaking and I picked up the BK2 because it's close in style to my playing cue. I already have a phenolic tipped break cue that's fine for the straight on power thing, but I didn't want to beat up my playing cue with the low english 2nd ball side rail power break stuff. I was going to ask for a hard leather tip instead of the phenolic and the guy at Seybert's mentioned this IPT tip and I figured it wasn't a very common tip that anyone around here would have so out of curiosity, in spite of the name, I figured I'd try it out. I already know what a phenolic does, I already know what a regular leather tip does, so why not try it. I can always switch it out.
 
The IPT tip is "The Weight Loss CURE" because if you use it, you won't win anymore and you'll starve!:D
 
The IPT tip also charges your credit card for extra "Natural Cures" it needs whenever it feels like it.

Happy shooting!
 
Well, I think we can all agree that this tip has a major marketing problem! lol

I might have to change my credit card number before I get charged for it again. lol

Just for those wondering, it's not an "IPT" product per se, it's just a harder leather tip for breaking that was developed independently in part to comply with the "leather tip only" rule. I figure if it's a little harder to miscue with this than a phenolic, it might suit my game pretty well. We'll see.

I wanted to go back and search the thread that this tip was discussed, but the search terms are too common.
 
Da Poet said:
I took the plunge on a Predator BK 2, and when I was talking to Seybert's about putting on a leather tip, they suggested the IPT break tip so for $20 extra, (not really because of the Seybert's Bucks thing) I gave it a shot. I figure I can always try something else later if I don't like it, but I was wondering if anyone has tried one of these tips before? Otherwise, when I get it, I'll be happy to report back.

Thanks!

BTW, I certainly wasn't expecting the IPT to come up in a cue purchase! I wonder if just before the break, the tip will vanish in thin air! lol
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Ask Varney for his famous "soaked Triangle" recipe. I've tried these tips on break cues for people that don't like phenolic, and they are awesome. I won't let out the secret, so ask him and see if he'll tell you. Probably a heck of a lot better than a $20 IPT tip.
 
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Shawn Armstrong said:
Ask Varney for his famous "soaked Triangle" recipe. I've tried these tips on break cues for people that don't like phenolic, and they are awesome. I won't let out the secret, so ask him and see if he'll tell you. Probably a heck of a lot better than a $20 IPT tip.
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I've done an Elkmaster like this, and can jump balls easily with it on a 13 mm stiff shaft with a lightweight extension.

I put the 14 mm elkmaster tip in about 2 or 3 ounces of milk, and put it in the microwave and nuke it until the milk just barely boils. Take it out of the nuker, and let the tip soak in the milk for about half an hour. Then I put the tip in a c-clamp and squeeze the snot out of it, and put the clamp with tip in it in a conventional oven at about 150 degrees for twenty minutes, take the clamp out and tighten it even more, put it back in for another 20. Then remove the tip from the clamp and bake it alone for a time, til it's thoroughly dried out.

Install it, instant leather tip that's great for breaking, and jumping too. Also plays just fine on a regular cue.

Flex
 
Flex said:
I've done an Elkmaster like this, and can jump balls easily with it on a 13 mm stiff shaft with a lightweight extension.

I put the 14 mm elkmaster tip in about 2 or 3 ounces of milk, and put it in the microwave and nuke it until the milk just barely boils. Take it out of the nuker, and let the tip soak in the milk for about half an hour. Then I put the tip in a c-clamp and squeeze the snot out of it, and put the clamp with tip in it in a conventional oven at about 150 degrees for twenty minutes, take the clamp out and tighten it even more, put it back in for another 20. Then remove the tip from the clamp and bake it alone for a time, til it's thoroughly dried out.

Install it, instant leather tip that's great for breaking, and jumping too. Also plays just fine on a regular cue.

Flex
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My version was a Triangle soaked in mineral spirits. Soak it until the bubbles stop - a tip can't get more soaked than soaked. Press it in a "woodworking vise" (holds as many tips as I want to do at a time), and stick it in a 200C oven for 2 hours. Take them out, and voila, leather j/b tips that break and jump great. I took Varney's recipe and put my own little twist on it. They work great.
 
And of course there is my "supersecret" IPT break tip. Basically a very hard, layered Super Pro with a 5/16" hole through the center and installed on an unbreakable ferrule with a 5/16 plug threaded into the ferrule. When the tip is installed around the plug then shaped & chalked...you'd need a CSI team or NASA to tell it had an illegal core. Did you ever wonder why some IPT players could jump so damn easily with a full cue?;)
 
Varney Cues said:
And of course there is my "supersecret" IPT break tip. Basically a very hard, layered Super Pro with a 5/16" hole through the center and installed on an unbreakable ferrule with a 5/16 plug threaded into the ferrule. When the tip is installed around the plug then shaped & chalked...you'd need a CSI team or NASA to tell it had an illegal core. Did you ever wonder why some IPT players could jump so damn easily with a full cue?;)
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Mike Webb used to do something similar. He literally inlaid a leather piece into a phenolic ferrule. Center was leather, outside was phenolic. Broke like leather, jumped like phenolic. I tried it a couple times without success - the outside wall of the ferrule kept cracking. I always tried it with linen phenolic, though. I think the canvas would stand up better to the sidewall abuse.
 
Varney Cues said:
And of course there is my "supersecret" IPT break tip. Basically a very hard, layered Super Pro with a 5/16" hole through the center and installed on an unbreakable ferrule with a 5/16 plug threaded into the ferrule. When the tip is installed around the plug then shaped & chalked...you'd need a CSI team or NASA to tell it had an illegal core. Did you ever wonder why some IPT players could jump so damn easily with a full cue?;)
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I actually made a tip out of fiber pads a few times. Laminated tip made from 7-8 fiber wafers. Pressed them in a vise while the epoxy dried (if you're going to do this, put wax paper on both sides of the tip), and then installed it after it was dried. The thing broke great, and jumped well too. I've also used water buffalo horn as a break/jump tip. Try it as a one piece tip/ferrule on a J/B cue. Doesn't have the same "ping" as the phenolic, holds chalk really well, and jumps like a kangaroo.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Mike Webb used to do something similar. He literally inlaid a leather piece into a phenolic ferrule. Center was leather, outside was phenolic. Broke like leather, jumped like phenolic. I tried it a couple times without success - the outside wall of the ferrule kept cracking. I always tried it with linen phenolic, though. I think the canvas would stand up better to the sidewall abuse.
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Thats a bit backward. The key is to have the leather tip on the outside with the core being phenolic. That way when you or anyone else looks at the tip it looks simply like a normal leather tip. Never had any failure issues.;)
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
I actually made a tip out of fiber pads a few times. Laminated tip made from 7-8 fiber wafers. Pressed them in a vise while the epoxy dried (if you're going to do this, put wax paper on both sides of the tip), and then installed it after it was dried. The thing broke great, and jumped well too. I've also used water buffalo horn as a break/jump tip. Try it as a one piece tip/ferrule on a J/B cue. Doesn't have the same "ping" as the phenolic, holds chalk really well, and jumps like a kangaroo.
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I've made tips out of so many different materials I don't even care to remember. When I started searching for a superior j/b tip back in 1999 the first thing I tried was a piece of Aegis rod that was JB Coldwelded onto the ferrule. Actually worked extremely well. Until Mike Janis made an anouncement that anyone using a Varney j/b with the "white" tip was outlawed.:rolleyes: Sharpie marker hides it temporarily.:D
Back then all these different rod options weren't available. I remember sawing up pieces of natural buttcap tube.:D
 
Varney Cues said:
Thats a bit backward. The key is to have the leather tip on the outside with the core being phenolic. That way when you or anyone else looks at the tip it looks simply like a normal leather tip. Never had any failure issues.;)
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I understood your construction with the tip threaded onto the stem. I just thought it was neat that Mike did something similar with his jump/break idea. Now it seems that the stemmed phenolic tip with a bored out shaft is all the rage. I liked your modified Triangle tip recipe. The recipe works really good on Elks, too. I press them after soaking them in mineral spirits, and bake them in the vise. When they're done, I stick a fiber pad on the bottom of them. They play better than the milk dud, and take less time to make.
 
Varney Cues said:
I've made tips out of so many different materials I don't even care to remember. When I started searching for a superior j/b tip back in 1999 the first thing I tried was a piece of Aegis rod that was JB Coldwelded onto the ferrule. Actually worked extremely well. Until Mike Janis made an anouncement that anyone using a Varney j/b with the "white" tip was outlawed.:rolleyes: Sharpie marker hides it temporarily.:D
Back then all these different rod options weren't available. I remember sawing up pieces of natural buttcap tube.:D
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Varney, I never stated "Varney" I just said the white tips. Anyway, the problem with some (MANY) of the white colored J/B tips is that they leave heavy streaks on the table when breaking and the heat literally melts the tip resin into the cloth which at times damages the cloth.

To this day, whenever I notice the white streaks on a table during an event I start looking for the culprit and advise that person that I do not allow those types of tips to be used in Viking Tour events.
 
MikeJanis said:
Varney, I never stated "Varney" I just said the white tips. Anyway, the problem with some (MANY) of the white colored J/B tips is that they leave heavy streaks on the table when breaking and the heat literally melts the tip resin into the cloth which at times damages the cloth.

To this day, whenever I notice the white streaks on a table during an event I start looking for the culprit and advise that person that I do not allow those types of tips to be used in Viking Tour events.
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I've seen the streaks from the G-10 style tips on the X-breaker. Does that mean you don't allow those style of break cue on the tour as well?
 
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