IPT- Hard Times - 1st Report!

jjinfla said:
Colin,

Reading between the lines my take is that KT is highly dissappointed with the ethics of some of the players and that is why the bonus will end.

Me thinks that if they were his employees they would be hearing the words "you're fired" loud and clear.

It is things like this that will make it mandatory for a contract in 2007 where items like ethics, drugs and alcohol will be addressed.

Oh well, leave it to the pool players to muck things up.

Jake
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As usual, What the heck are you talking about? First he offers $1000. if they will bank the 8 ball, for what ever reason I have no idea. It just screws with the players minds as they are conflicted as to try to run out or play position on the bank to maybe make the money. Second only a few players really have a chance to win and the players that just entered to take a shot but see it is futile would be idiots not to just play the match to a double hill banking every 8 and splitting the money, It may not be in the best spirit of sport but he made the offer and they just shelled out $2000. to play. He must be a complete moron if he didn't anticipate this. What did the players do wrong who had no chance to win anyway if they took some of this suckers money, again he made the offer? KT, playing the victim already, give me a break.
 
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Colin Colenso said:
Latest report says the 8-ball bank bonus is just for day 1.

I have to wonder if this was a mistake or it was offered just on day 1 from the beginning?

Dunno how many matches are planned for today, but this could add up to a pretty decent amount.
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Yeah, It's good to see they are coming up with these cool bonus chances, But I'm sure in hind site it was just not the best idea. Not something you want to throw into a tournament if your looking for the best competition, it also will slow things down big time! If I was playing a guy I might work a deal if I felt I had no chance, maybe not, hard to say. but you would have to figure many would, at least to try to get the fee back:)

If your giving away that much money, A much better idea to get people playing harder would be to give people who win 3 consecutive matches $2,000
 
I agree with macguy, this whole 8-ball on the break brainstorm is looney tunes. What a surprise: you dangle some money in front of the players, and they figure out a way to maximize the opportunity...whoa Nellie, what is the world coming to. KT, Mike and Deno need to regroup and leave the P. T. Barnum stuff to the wrestling folks IMO. Anyway, these look like upsets to me (but I still think the Steelers beating the Seahawks was an upset, so what do I know?): Arturo Rivera d Santos Sambajon (10-7); Karl Boyes d Vilmos Foldes (10-3!); Ramill Gallego d Antonio Lining (10-9); and Amar King d Ronnie Wiseman (10-7). I've heard nothing but good things about Amar King's game, but the other 3 are off my radar screen. Anyone wanna chip in?
 
I think some people here are jumping to conclusions. I dont doubt JJ's ability to 'read between the lines':rolleyes: but there could be a more simple explination.
In 9ball, running out from the break means that when you get to the 9b, all the pockets are open. Rarely is the 9b banked.
In 8ball, running out from the break means that when you get to the 8b there are usually 6/7 opponent balls on the table and some will be blocking pockets. Sometimes the bank will be forced, sometimes its just the best option.
I would expect 3 or 4 banked 8b every match.

Gabber
 
enzo said:
I don't mean to convey that i'm not interested in the pool as well, but can somebody post some pics of these 2 models, quickly, lol.
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I will try to get some pics tomorrow, of not just the 2 girls but the whole touney ect.

Mack
 
jnav447 said:
I agree with macguy, this whole 8-ball on the break brainstorm is looney tunes.
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Yep, it turned out not to be one of the best ideas. But, I bet you all wish you had a chance at it.

I doubt anyone will see that offer again.

I just wonder how the "deals" went down. Did one player just keep missing until the other banked the 8? And then they switched and the other kept missing?

I understand a player who is a high underdog would play every game for position to bank the 8. Nothing wrong there. But if the other player helped him to win the 8 on the bank that is another story altogether.

I imagine that any players who conspired in such a way will not be welcome at any more IPT functions.

But who knows, I am not as forgiving as KT may be.

A dump is a dump is a dump.

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
Yep, it turned out not to be one of the best ideas. But, I bet you all wish you had a chance at it.

I doubt anyone will see that offer again.

I just wonder how the "deals" went down. Did one player just keep missing until the other banked the 8? And then they switched and the other kept missing?

I understand a player who is a high underdog would play every game for position to bank the 8. Nothing wrong there. But if the other player helped him to win the 8 on the bank that is another story altogether.

I imagine that any players who conspired in such a way will not be welcome at any more IPT functions.

But who knows, I am not as forgiving as KT may be.

A dump is a dump is a dump.

Jake
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They could agree ahead of time to both have to bank the 8 to win and still play the game on the up and up. KT is the one who asked them to do it, to play a modified version of the game and some may have. The biggest question would be, why? Why would he want to be messing with players minds and interfering with their games and strategies as well as tempting them to do so with cash offers? Sort of like a little kid telling another, "I'll give you a quarter if you eat a bug", it makes no sense other then to give the person making the offer a sense they have the power to manipulate people with money?

If he says he just wanted to give the players no chance to win a little money, well he did and they did. You have to question this guys thinking though. Shouldn't and maybe they did, Mike or Deno have said to him you can't do this and this is the reason why? You can't help but wonder if he knows anything about pool what so ever or will ever listen to anyone's advice. It also reinforces my belief that he makes irrational and foolish decisions without any thought to the consequences then blames it on someone else as he did in this case with the players who only took him up on his offer. Can you believe that idiotic press release he made? Just one more glimpse into the workings of the mind of this whackjob, and he is a whackjob, make no mistake about that, he will prove it time and again as this thing progresses.

The IPT players just have to hope his crazy ideas and thinking don't put them all the crapper, they have put their complete faith in him. He said in his very first speech to the troops something to the effect of "Trust me, you may not understand what you are seeing but it will all make sense to you later", so I guess we will all have to wait but what must the IPT players really be thinking in their heart of hearts. We won't find out for some time but it will be interesting to be having these conversations some time next year.
 
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I think some of you are going overboard on this bank 8-ball offer.

A lot of the players are better off for it.

It apparently got a round of applause from the players when announced.

The crowd was really enjoying the thrill of this mind-game / challenge / opportunity.

It will probably provide some great TV footage.

It was completely voluntary for players to decide if they would take this risk to win a few $.

That not everything about it worked out as planned or hoped, does not make it bad thing, or a complete mistake. Such challenges, special offers can prove very entertaining...it needs some tweaking.

I say congrats to KT for giving new ideas a trial. That's how you learn what works and what doesn't.

The purists were also offended by Golf Skins and One Day Cricket when they first came out.

Always, I believe credibility of a true test of talent will be the cornerstone asset, but it's bells and whistles that can attract larger audiences to the sport, and let them be introduced to the sport so that they might appreciate the pure game for what it is.

Who isn't looking forward to seeing and hearing the reactions from these 8-ball banks when the TV footage comes out?
 
Colin Colenso said:
I think some of you are going overboard on this bank 8-ball offer.

A lot of the players are better off for it.

It apparently got a round of applause from the players when announced.

The crowd was really enjoying the thrill of this mind-game / challenge / opportunity.

It will probably provide some great TV footage.

It was completely voluntary for players to decide if they would take this risk to win a few $.

That not everything about it worked out as planned or hoped, does not make it bad thing, or a complete mistake. Such challenges, special offers can prove very entertaining...it needs some tweaking.

I say congrats to KT for giving new ideas a trial. That's how you learn what works and what doesn't.

The purists were also offended by Golf Skins and One Day Cricket when they first came out.

Always, I believe credibility of a true test of talent will be the cornerstone asset, but it's bells and whistles that can attract larger audiences to the sport, and let them be introduced to the sport so that they might appreciate the pure game for what it is.

Who isn't looking forward to seeing and hearing the reactions from these 8-ball banks when the TV footage comes out?
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I think many were reacting to KT goofy public response, very unprofessional, almost childish. With all due respect, no one need to be taking any ethics lessons from this guy who as we speak is defrauding peoples credit cards through his company.
 
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macguy said:
I think many were reacting to KT goofy public response, very unprofessional, almost childish. With all due respect, no one need to be taking any ethics lessons from this guy who as we speak is defrauding peoples credit cards through his company.
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Not the best release I've ever seen, but I don't see why there's so much ire about it. I don't think we really know what happened there yet.

Looking at the player bonuses, only Hjorleifson made 3 banks, and he's on fire. There were actually less banks made than I had predicted, so hard to see any evidence of clear wroughting.

Anyway, I still think banking the 8 to win a match would generate some exciting and possibly tragic moments, without facing such a risk of player manipulation. There's not many I'd trust not to do their best to beat me if I missed a bank and they told me they'd split it.
 
macguy said:
Sort of like a little kid telling another, "I'll give you a quarter if you eat a bug", it makes no sense other then to give the person making the offer a sense they have the power to manipulate people with money?

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Now I see why you are so negative and don't trust anyone. You must have eaten a whole lot of bugs when you were a kid. Still have that bag of quarters?

There are 74 players in the tournament and they all know that only two will be accepted into the IPT fraternity. Slim odds. KT is showing his appreciation to them by giving them a chance to win some extra money with the bank the 8. The 8 on the break. The six pack. Or beat Mike. How can that be wrong? Or bad? And I believe the players appreciate it.

As far as KT's remark all we have on it is what Sally wrote on the IPT website and for all we know she may not heard him say it but it was just relayed to her by someone else.

It is probably a bigger item on this website than it is at the tournament.

Perhaps there will be an announcement later on.

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
Now I see why you are so negative and don't trust anyone. You must have eaten a whole lot of bugs when you were a kid. Still have that bag of quarters?

There are 74 players in the tournament and they all know that only two will be accepted into the IPT fraternity. Slim odds. KT is showing his appreciation to them by giving them a chance to win some extra money with the bank the 8. The 8 on the break. The six pack. Or beat Mike. How can that be wrong? Or bad? And I believe the players appreciate it.

As far as KT's remark all we have on it is what Sally wrote on the IPT website and for all we know she may not heard him say it but it was just relayed to her by someone else.

It is probably a bigger item on this website than it is at the tournament.

Perhaps there will be an announcement later on.

Jake
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Simple, it was not like the offer for consecutive racks or making the 8 on the break. In order to participate or benefit from the offer the player may have to alter their play. I hate analogies but it would you expect ball players to make catches behind their backs or ask a basketball player to dribble backwards to win bonus money while trying to play their best game? It has nothing to do with the game and perverts it.

KT likes to say they are playing "Real pool, by real rules" where does this silliness come into play, is this real pool to have the players have to drop their pants for KT's amusement as he rewards them? Is he going to be doing this kind of stuff during the tournaments? I played in quite a few tournaments in Europe and they were real happening events. Hi run contests, trick shot competitions drawings for the audience giveaways and so on, a real carnival atmosphere around the place but not disturbing the actual tournament and it's play, this offer did and I don't know what he was thinking when he made it.

Maybe the next time they can spin around three times before they shoot the 8 ball and get paid double. His thought process regarding this whole thing really seems more and more goofy. I also don't think any one advising him on this like Mike or Deno would have gone along with this dumb idea if they actually had any real input. It now becomes even more evident they are just his personal hand puppets and yes men, not advisors. If that is actually the case and KT is just a loose cannon, expect to see more problems at every turn. This is the guy remember who said he didn't know about the Super Bowl, of course that was BS but you know what I mean.
 
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macguy said:
Simple, it was not like the offer for consecutive racks or making the 8 on the break. In order to participate or benefit from the offer the player may have to alter their play. I hate analogies but it would you expect ball players to make catches behind their backs or ask a basketball player to dribble backwards to win bonus money while trying to play their best game? It has nothing to do with the game and perverts it.

KT likes to say they are playing "Real pool, by real rules" where does this silliness come into play, is this real pool to have the players have to drop their pants for KT amusement as he rewards them? Is he going to be doing this kind of stuff during the tournaments? I played in quite a few tournaments in Europe and they were real happening events. Hi run contests, trick shot competitions drawings for the audience giveaways and so on, a real carnival atmosphere around the place but not disturbing the actual tournament and it's play, this offer did and I don't know what he was thinking when he made it.

Maybe the next time they can spin around three times before they shoot the 8 ball and get paid double. His thought process regarding this whole thing really seems more and more goofy. I also don't think any one advising him on this like Mike or Deno would have gone along with this dumb idea if they actually had any real input. It now becomes even more evident they are just his personal hand puppets and yes men, not advisors. If that is actually the case and KT is just a loose cannon, expect to see more problems at every turn. This is the guy remember who said he didn't know about the Super Bowl, of course that was BS but you know what I mean.
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Since you have written about a hundred posts or more criticizing the IPT and
Kevin Trudeau, how about if everyone concedes you hate him and you think he is a crook, and it is going to be a disaster etc. etc. etc. Let's say you win. You made your point over a hundred times. Everybody that was interested has heard you. How about you shift your attention over to that little guy in Korea with the glasses who wants to get nuclear weapons, he probably plays pool and he is probably almost as bad a person as KT. This way you can come up with some new material instead of continually singing the same song.

Wayne
 
wayne said:
Since you have written about a hundred posts or more criticizing the IPT and
Kevin Trudeau, how about if everyone concedes you hate him and you think he is a crook, and it is going to be a disaster etc. etc. etc. Let's say you win. You made your point over a hundred times. Everybody that was interested has heard you. How about you shift your attention over to that little guy in Korea with the glasses who wants to get nuclear weapons, he probably plays pool and he is probably almost as bad a person as KT. This way you can come up with some new material instead of continually singing the same song.

Wayne
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I am sorry but KT keeps providing new material to comment on. He is not really all there, and it's easy to poke fun at him. You need to put me on your ignore list.
 
Nah, MacGuy you are just stuck on stupid.

I can think of 30,000 good reasons why the players liked the 8 on the break offer. It put money into their pockets. And that is what KT is trying to do for the players.

But putting you on ignore might not be such a bad idea. If everyone does it then you will just be spitting in the wind.

It has been fun but I do need a break from you. You just are too negative.
 
jjinfla said:
Nah, MacGuy you are just stuck on stupid.

I can think of 30,000 good reasons why the players liked the 8 on the break offer. It put money into their pockets. And that is what KT is trying to do for the players.

But putting you on ignore might not be such a bad idea. If everyone does it then you will just be spitting in the wind.

It has been fun but I do need a break from you. You just are too negative.
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Sounds like a good move. I basically just respond to dopey comments with a little common sense. I have no vendetta, I don't think I have started maybe one thread regarding the IPT where as you have started like a few dozen and most are just cheer leading. That's fine but if they are peppered with suspect logic I may point it out. I will still respond to yours or anyone else's comments as I see fit but you won't see it so you will not have to be bothered, and that's probably a good thing.
 
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jjinfla said:
Nah, MacGuy you are just stuck on stupid.

I can think of 30,000 good reasons why the players liked the 8 on the break offer. It put money into their pockets. And that is what KT is trying to do for the players.

But putting you on ignore might not be such a bad idea. If everyone does it then you will just be spitting in the wind.

It has been fun but I do need a break from you. You just are too negative.
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How do I put MacGuy on my ignore list (where is it?) I have never done this before but this guy is just way too negative for me. When someone just looks for everything negative about anyone without also looking for the positive it is a ridiculous. Pity his poor ex-wife if he was ever married. I know if I had my pick to listen to KT or this guy Mac I'm taking KT every time, he is totally upbeat and this guy is a downer. KT = 95% positive, 5% negative. MacGuy 5% positive, 95% negative. I guess he figures he is doing everyone on the board a favor by finding everything negative he can dream up about Trudeau.

Wayne
 
wayne said:
How do I put MacGuy on my ignore list (where is it?) I have never done this before but this guy is just way too negative for me. When someone just looks for everything negative about anyone without also looking for the positive it is a ridiculous. Pity his poor ex-wife if he was ever married. I know if I had my pick to listen to KT or this guy Mac I'm taking KT every time, he is totally upbeat and this guy is a downer. KT = 95% positive, 5% negative. MacGuy 5% positive, 95% negative. I guess he figures he is doing everyone on the board a favor by finding everything negative he can dream up about Trudeau.

Wayne
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I wish I was just dreaming it up, can you imagine how great it would be if he really was what you all wish him to be, instead of what he is. I don't know how the ignore thing works but someone will help you I am sure.
 
btw: Isn't the 3-point shot in basketball analagous to banking the 8?

It's not exactly equivalent, but along the same vein. Giving players an incentive to make a crowd pleasing shot.

And a hole-in-one in golf, which may cause the player to shoot a risky line straight at the pin.
 
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