Jimmy Marino, along with Gary "the Bushwacker" Nolan were the best players in Pittsburgh in the 70s and 80s. He had as much talent and skill as any of today's pros from what I've heard.
IPT Snubs
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BackPocket9Ball said:
Do you know if Marino was of any relation to Dan Marino?
I saw the name a couple times long ago in a pool mag and saw where he
was from Pittsburg. Just curious
I have a lopsided loss record against one player, Earl Strickland. I have a winning record combined against all those hall of fame guys, beating all 7 I have played. I have even or winning records against such players as Charlie Williams, Max Eberle, Danny Basovitch, Luc Salvas, Dennis Hatch, Nick Varner, Shawn Putnam, Corey Duel, Alex Pagulayan, Warren Kiamco, Antonio Lining, Danny Medina, "Hillbilly" Bryant, Paul Potier, John Horsfall, Ron Wiseman, Tommy Kennedy, Jon Macias, and so on and so on. I've been seeded in several tournaments on the Camel tour. I've been running racks of rotation since I was 11 years old and I beat the 11-ball ghost playing with both hands alternating every single shot on 4" pockets (sides included) and when I say I'm stuck on 12-ball ghost, that's with both hands also, although I have run 6-straight that way, I'm not yet getting 5 or 10 ahead consistently. Sorry, I thought I was at least top 30 material, much less 150. My mistake.macguy said:
But I digress, this is not about me, it's about pool, and who makes these decisions, and why the pool players have no say. I assure you I would be raising these same issues if I were one of the "chosen" players, and I raise them now for the benefit of others not as fortunate as me. I have a college degree and employment opportunities - others do not.
If all goes as planned, the IPT could bring good things for pool, but the players need to be ready for its success or failure. Either way they will need to be organized to look out for their own interests.
This forum would be a great place to talk about how to do that, if anyone were actually interested in it, and it is disappointing to me that we don't.
unknownpro
unknownpro said:
Have you been mentioned other than your post in this thread or have you been snubbed by the snub post???
unknownpro said:
If I am reading this right you consider yourself one of the top 30 players in the world? If that is the case what are you complaining about you will clean up in the open tournaments and for sure be on the tour in the future. As for the player choice, I am not sure it was about the best players just a point to start from and the future will take care of it's self which it will.
mapman72 said:
apparantly there was included a questionaire for applicants to give their reasons WHY they should be selected(i might be wrong on this, but i don't think so).
clearly, the ipt wants to change the make-up of your standard pool tournament. ie, getting away from what has tainted pool's image. a good point, i think,,,"if it's broke,,,FIX IT". now,,,there may have been a few who shouldn't be in the tour, but you know what, it takes baby steps to grow.
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So are you saying that the WPBA and UPA should not ban their members from playing in both? Do their current rankings and the support of their current members mean anything? If they represent (pocket) "Billiards" and "Pool Players" then they should ban, if not they should change their names to reflect "Nine-Ball" only, imo.macguy said:
I just believe that organizations like this have an obligation to look out for their members. When you are picking among players with no track record in 8-ball you have to go by the 9-ball rankings because their are no others. The top 15 WPBA players (or 64 or whatever) should have been selected to play, or the WPBA should ban crossovers, just like they have for years. Same for the UPA.
How about if someone starts an 8-ball players organization. If the IPT is successful, other 8-ball tournaments are sure to spring up. I just believe that in getting pool to the highest level, the huge number of players around the country is a big plus. That player base should be used in the formula by allowing everyone to compete for spots in tournaments, creating more playing opportunities for all of us in the end. Once this tour starts with its hand selected players that becomes difficult.
Another point is that if Trudeau and company bail out after the first year, will their be anything left. Camel took over and ran the whole show, and when they left their was no organization to carry on and look for other sponsors.
unknownpro
unknownpro said:
You write as though this is some kind of democratic process and you have a grievance. It is a private business venture and we don't have any idea what their mission statement says at this time. It's like you applied for a job and got passed over, that's the way it goes. Maybe they didn't like your resume, maybe they don't like you who knows, that's their business but they don't owe you anything. You still have a chance to compete the way they have it set up now. Don't you plan on playing in the open tournaments?
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unknownpro said:
What is your name? If you have beaten all of these players than obviously you play in tournaments and show your speed, and you have nothing to hide. If you think you are in the top 30 in the world, you must have won some of these pro tournaments.
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mapman72
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This sums it up!
Jenny,
Since when does a person's curiosity of which excellent pool players did not make the IPT mean that they are spewing negativity and controversy? Ok, so maybe snub was the wrong word to use, but I was simply trying to find out what players of pro caliber were omitted from the IPT. I really don't see the harm in that. And as you know I was traveling for most of this fall so I apologize for posting something that was already posted. I really wasn't able to keep up with the board because of all the traveling. If you were trying so hard to avoid controversy and negativity, maybe you could have just passed this by as another post about the IPT and not publicly say, "I don't understand this post." But of course, you couldn't miss the opportunity to "jab" me from what happened a couple months ago.
Keith and I have moved on, but obviously you haven't. I guess you believed that telling the whole world that Keith McCready let me win a match in a "mickey mouse", tuesday night, $25 tournament wasn't enough. Well, to Keith that was just another match from his "30 years on the American tournament trail", but to a guy like me it was special - Until you told me and AZbilliards that he let me win. Great job Jenny, now you can sleep at night. You have exposed a terrible injustice in pocket billiards. It couldn't have possibly been right to just leave that piece of information to yourself, or tell me personally if you felt the need.
And, while I'm at it, your last sentence is exactly why this is something that you and Keith should be concerned about. I am familiar with Keith's history and I have heard stories of where Keith has been snubbed (either by not being invited to certain events or not getting seeded) and I, being a K.M. fan, didn't think it was right. I would think that looking back on his struggle would bring forth compassion to those that were capable, but didn't get chosen. Instead, it brings about "there's no snubs" and "i don't understand this post". Ok, whatever.
And one last thing...You tell your boy that the next time we play, he better come out firing because, come hell or high water, I'm going to kick his ass! I don't care that he's a ball or two better than me. I have never wanted to beat someone as bad as I want to beat Keith McCready! And if I had an ignorant backer, I'd play him all night
Joey
JAM said:
Jenny,
Since when does a person's curiosity of which excellent pool players did not make the IPT mean that they are spewing negativity and controversy? Ok, so maybe snub was the wrong word to use, but I was simply trying to find out what players of pro caliber were omitted from the IPT. I really don't see the harm in that. And as you know I was traveling for most of this fall so I apologize for posting something that was already posted. I really wasn't able to keep up with the board because of all the traveling. If you were trying so hard to avoid controversy and negativity, maybe you could have just passed this by as another post about the IPT and not publicly say, "I don't understand this post." But of course, you couldn't miss the opportunity to "jab" me from what happened a couple months ago.
Keith and I have moved on, but obviously you haven't. I guess you believed that telling the whole world that Keith McCready let me win a match in a "mickey mouse", tuesday night, $25 tournament wasn't enough. Well, to Keith that was just another match from his "30 years on the American tournament trail", but to a guy like me it was special - Until you told me and AZbilliards that he let me win. Great job Jenny, now you can sleep at night. You have exposed a terrible injustice in pocket billiards. It couldn't have possibly been right to just leave that piece of information to yourself, or tell me personally if you felt the need.
And, while I'm at it, your last sentence is exactly why this is something that you and Keith should be concerned about. I am familiar with Keith's history and I have heard stories of where Keith has been snubbed (either by not being invited to certain events or not getting seeded) and I, being a K.M. fan, didn't think it was right. I would think that looking back on his struggle would bring forth compassion to those that were capable, but didn't get chosen. Instead, it brings about "there's no snubs" and "i don't understand this post". Ok, whatever.
And one last thing...You tell your boy that the next time we play, he better come out firing because, come hell or high water, I'm going to kick his ass! I don't care that he's a ball or two better than me. I have never wanted to beat someone as bad as I want to beat Keith McCready! And if I had an ignorant backer, I'd play him all night
Joey
mapman72
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A few points
Just to clarify a few points:
1. I did not apply.
2. I think the IPT is good for the game.
3. I am only trying to see who applied and was left off because i think it's an interesting question.
Somehow, when I started this thread, I was immediately attacked from all angles from people saying "stop *****ing", "the IPT is good for the game", etc. Wow, what a judgemental bunch.
SlimShafty said:
Just to clarify a few points:
1. I did not apply.
2. I think the IPT is good for the game.
3. I am only trying to see who applied and was left off because i think it's an interesting question.
Somehow, when I started this thread, I was immediately attacked from all angles from people saying "stop *****ing", "the IPT is good for the game", etc. Wow, what a judgemental bunch.
I didn't see this post before, LOL. I have indeed been snubbed by the snub post! Oh, the humanity! That's ok. I've been snubbed by the PBTA for $7000 and by the BCA for a free trip to Taiwan. And by Billiards Digest who went out of their way to put me down after giving me no publicity even though they didn't mind wasting my time with pictures and interviews they never published. They can all play me some. I intend to have the last laugh.frankncali said:
unknownpro
unknownpro said:
Uhh! It might help if you stated who you are and where you are, it is pretty tough for anyone to play a great player like you if no one has any idea who you are or where you are. If you are in hiding then it makes sense that you were snubbed.
Wayne
