IPT: Too many, too soon?

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sidepocketkid said:
For starters... it's COULDN'T care less!!!! I understand (but still hate it) when people SAY they "COULD care less", when they mean "COULDN'T care less", but typing it?????

As for the rest of the ignorance! I can not believe that no one has any faith in any of this! If there never was a website, a tournament, a qualifier, a players meeting, a televised event, a pay-out, or a multi-billionaire backing it... then I could see reason to say that someone is full of it!

I mean, come on people! This is not some guy you met at 4 a.m. hanging off a barstool telling you this tale of how he's starting a pool tour with 7 figure payouts!!!

Do you think KT's big plan was to be able to scam $29 from all the pool fans in the world to open a new savings account? The greatest hustle in pool history.. knock everyone of us off, $29 at a time, with out a cue???

Do you think the players would have returned if they never got paid the first, second, third, fourth time????

Reyes alone could have, after winning $500,000 said "Who cares, I'll never see it... I'm still waiting for my $200,000" but he didn’t... why? because he already got paid his money, and knows the checks are good!!!!
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Get'm ... Get'm good ... lol Have the naysayers considered all the other options for Pool? .... ROFL

Oh well, The world is going to end, so what's the use!!! ... LMAO :eek:
 
onepocketchump said:
Try reading the post before you jump to a response.

What part of the word "reported" did you not understand?

Who said anything about swapping lives? What are you on?

The point is that you and me and just about everyone else here THINKS they know what's going on with the IPT and the truth is that none of us KNOWS what's going on. Not one of us is willing to get off our asses to DO SOMETHING though. If we would have spent the SAME AMOUNT of time doing something to positively impact the game as we have spent speculating about things we KNOW NOTHING ABOUT then pool would be in a much better state. Can you argue with that?

Why don't you tell us Craig what the IPT did or did not SELL FOR since you KNOW THE FACTS? In fact, you are just speculating like the rest of us and taking a piss at me while showing your ignorance. Neither you nor I have any clue how the deal, if there is a deal, with Ho Casino is structured. You don't even know the ****ing address of the IPT.

John
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Obviously you didn't read my "If" :rolleyes:

You said "us do nothing complainers", you can call yourself what ever you want BUT please don't call me or any other member of this forum a "do nothing complainer". I made it bold for you but you still couldn't make the connection!

You really do need to stop saying "we", I didn't realise you spoke for the forum and knew the inner workings of each and every member? In fact you are doing exactly what you are complaining about, talking for people who you know nothing about. I'm quite sure there are many people on this forum that have put in plaenty of sweat and tears for pool, probably many more than KT.

I'm not taking the piss out of you but I take offence at you talking for me or judging me.
 
TheOne said:
Obviously you didn't read my "If" :rolleyes:

You said "us do nothing complainers", you can call yourself what ever you want BUT please don't call me or any other member of this forum a "do nothing complainer". I made it bold for you but you still couldn't make the connection!

You really do need to stop saying "we", I didn't realise you spoke for the forum and knew the inner workings of each and every member? In fact you are doing exactly what you are complaining about, talking for people who you know nothing about. I'm quite sure there are many people on this forum that have put in plaenty of sweat and tears for pool, probably many more than KT.

I'm not taking the piss out of you but I take offence at you talking for me or judging me.
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You're as much of a do nothing complainer as I am. So, yes, I include you in the group. But, if you really want to nitpick. It is accepted by most intelligent and reasonable people that generalizations are not individually applicable. When a generalization is made it is understood that this is indicative of a particular trend and not meant to single out any particular person.

I take offense at YOU responding personally to MY general post. Thus YOU created a PERSONAL CONFLICT between US (remember, "need my head examined"), rather than to keep the discussion general and to the points made.

I take offense at the endless prophecies spouted on this board that purport to be factual accounts of what will happen with the IPT. The FACT is that a wealthy (how wealthy nobody really knows) individual with a tainted past has created a series of tournaments. He is running it according to his own rules which are ever changing. Any and all statements pertaining to the tour's operations and financial health have come from him or those involved with the tour. Considering that the source is definitely tainted we cannot accept anything as fact. We can only go on what has transpired and that is three events with life changing payouts, one event which remains to be paid out and first-hand reports of wonderful venues and first class treatment. At this point it is FRUITLESS and an EXCERCISE IN FUTILITY to spend endless time making predictions. I reallize that for SOME of YOU (not you Craig, don't get your panties in a hissy) that this form of speculation is fun and entertaining. Fine, preface it with a disclaimer that this is YOUR OPINION and YOU DON"T KNOW THE FACTS.

Rant over.

John
 
macguy said:
If you listen to what KT says, he says that HO has acquired the IPT 100%, (His Words) The mention of the value is of the nature that he says, "Insiders have valued the transaction at 150 million" Big Difference, there is no 150 mill being fed into the IPT just this very very vague reference to what the deal may be worth at some point. KT may have gotten out around even and the future value refereed to will be up to what ever Ho has in mind such as on line betting on matches and so on. All very vague and under the table, the players are out of the loop it seems. As for the future of the IPT, it is as uncertain as the weather at this point.

The disturbing part of the speech he gave is he keeps alluding to what they are working on in the future and it is the same things he was talking about at the first players meeting, DVD sales and so on. There is still no DVD's or much of anything else for that matter other then the new scheme with getting people to sign up for $29.95. Their ideas seem to be all over the place.

Thing is, with the 100% acquisition of the IPT, (KT words) nothing is certain anymore and the players don't have a clue what is going on and seem to be scared to death to ask any questions. Is anybody watching out for their interests? Do they even matter to the IPT, would not seem so at this point. If the IPT goes over seas alltogether tough cookies for them. In other words, "What are they complaining about, they are just a bunch of dumb pool players who had nothing before anyway, they made a few bucks" thats life."
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I was wondering where the $150 million figure came from.

No, no one is watching out for the player's interests. This is EXACTLY why anyone of KT's stature can OWN PROFESSIONAL POOL.

The UPA crumbled on this one. Where was all the representation for the players and the unison? In the end pool players are hugely dependent and are used to having nothing and being used by backers and promoters. Enough of them will follow the money to make just about anybody's attempt at unification a toothless dream. I can't blame them, they chose pool as their career and they have to eat.

But, IF THE IPT fails then they aren't any worse off than before it began. A whole lot of players will have profited greatly and a whole lot more will have seen what they are capable of. The IPT this year has been a gift to the pool players of the world and a wake up call for the organizations that purport to "govern" pool around the world.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
You're as much of a do nothing complainer as I am. So, yes, I include you in the group. But, if you really want to nitpick. It is accepted by most intelligent and reasonable people that generalizations are not individually applicable. When a generalization is made it is understood that this is indicative of a particular trend and not meant to single out any particular person.

I take offense at YOU responding personally to MY general post. Thus YOU created a PERSONAL CONFLICT between US (remember, "need my head examined"), rather than to keep the discussion general and to the points made.

I take offense at the endless prophecies spouted on this board that purport to be factual accounts of what will happen with the IPT. The FACT is that a wealthy (how wealthy nobody really knows) individual with a tainted past has created a series of tournaments. He is running it according to his own rules which are ever changing. Any and all statements pertaining to the tour's operations and financial health have come from him or those involved with the tour. Considering that the source is definitely tainted we cannot accept anything as fact. We can only go on what has transpired and that is three events with life changing payouts, one event which remains to be paid out and first-hand reports of wonderful venues and first class treatment. At this point it is FRUITLESS and an EXCERCISE IN FUTILITY to spend endless time making predictions. I reallize that for SOME of YOU (not you Craig, don't get your panties in a hissy) that this form of speculation is fun and entertaining. Fine, preface it with a disclaimer that this is YOUR OPINION and YOU DON"T KNOW THE FACTS.

Rant over.

John
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Im afraid we'll have to agree to disagree then, I completely disgree with you including me as well as many other members of this board as a "do nothing complainer" I thing its a disgraceful generalisation. Like I said, if you feel guilty about something please restrict your opinions/confessions to yourself and not group thousands of people who you know little about into one failing group!

I know you take offense at peoples constructive commenta about the IPT. I understand that you want everyone to be 100% positive but may I sugest hanging out is a "discussion forum" is not for you if it upsets you so much.

I only comment on the fats at hand, The fact is the IPT is currently not worth $150m and the players should have been paid after the tournament as per KTs mocking promise.
 
The only thing I feel guilty about Craig is the amount of time I have spent on the topic of the IPT. How anyone can take a comment like "insiders value the deal at 150 million" to mean the IPT sold for 150 million is beyond me.

The fact is though that it is your opinion that the IPT is not "worth" 150 million. You don't know what it is "worth" to anyone else besides yourself. I agree with you about the players being paid on time per KT's pontifications on that topic. But that isn't what got us here is it? What got us here is your apparent disregard for and misunderstanding of what I actually wrote in your haste to respond to what you think I meant, in my opinion.

Be that as it may. I feel that you are a valuable member of the group with good intentions and a lot of applicable knowledge. We shouldn't be petty with one another over this. Let's hope that the IPT pays it's players and that the players continue to be provided with opportunities to do what they love and make a decent living.

John
 
jjinfla said:
"Careless" does not mean "care less" so who knows what he meant.

We need a Clinton Speak dictionary.

Jake
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Sounds more like something the "Decider" (sic) would say.
 
AuntyDan said:
If he had marketed the IPT as a "normal" Pro Tour initially, with "normal" 5-figure prize purses, developed it slowly and carefully over a few years, built a consistent ranking and qualifying system, consistent equipment and rule formats on the promise that everyone involved would eventually be playing for six or seven-figure purses in a few years, who would have believed it? Everyone would have been yelling to put up the big prize money right from the start or shut up.

Let's face it, the entire raison d’être of the IPT is the large prize funds, and the quality of playing environment made possible by that money. Other than that it has little else to offer the sport that is not already being done by other organizations.

It also seems clear that as long as the prize funds are maintained by the IPT that the majority of current and aspiring Pro players will make the IPT their top priority to the detriment of the other existing organizations and tours, and no one can blame them for that.

If the new deal with Ho results in a major reduction of the prize funds to economize until/unless some lucrative TV deals are struck then that would be the quickest way to ensure the IPT dies. Well that and not actually paying out those prize funds ;-)
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All im saying is that the IPT would've been more viable had they taken it slow, let it build up steam first. Had they held a lot more of those smaller qualifiers building up to a big King of the Hill tournamnent at the end of the year, then they'd have an improved cash flow plus more positive press.

But I'm no billionaire so who am i to advise business models??? Maybe KT's business model was to go big and loud from the start to attract more attention and get big bucks for when he sells it to investors which was his intention all along.....
 
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