Is CTE the "Frctional Ball" system with a fancy new name??

Stan, I believe in CTE and am working on it and looking forward to your new DVD. However, if Hal said he never shot a fractional shot he was stretching the truth because in the early 90's he was living in Garden Grove, Calif, before moving to Burlingame, and taught several of us the fractional system one Saturday at Yankee Doodles in Long Beach, Calif. He also frequented Hard Times in Bellflower, Calif. He told me at that time he was working on another system that would top everything. He had endless stories of his early pool days including many of Ralph Greenleaf. After Hal had moved to Penn. JoeyInCali (Bautista) and I called him and he tried to explain CTE to us over the phone. The phone lesson was unsuccessful. But even for Hal before CTE there was fractional.

Concerning a time frame for Hal and CTE. Hal indicated to me that his beginning work on CTE started in about 1940 and he declared his completion date at about 1950.

There is no doubt that Hal understood and knew the fractions just as knew CP and GB. That in no way meant he used fractions for play.

Hal categorized fractions in the same manner as CP and GB.

It was in the 80s that Hal purportedly met with a group of 4 Philipino players of which Efren was one of the individuals. He did NOT meet with them to teach them fractional aiming. Hal shared his thoughts with me concerning that meeting and I have no doubt that it did take place in a CA poolroom.

Anyway, it does not matter, Hal did not use fractions.

When Hal would ask students about aiming, a common ground, that allowed for understanding CTE might would have begun with fraction talk.

EXAMPLE: When Hal first interviewed Landon, he wanted to know how Landon aimed and the quarters was discussed. He had Landon demo some half ball shots....but all roads led to CTE.

Fractions were elementary to Hal but fractions did serve as a language lead-in into the world of CTE.

Another thing that I am fairly certain of is that Hal only shared mere fractions of what he knew with those that he worked with. IMO Hal did not put the puzzle together for anyone unless, perhaps, he did so for the Philipino students that one day in a CA poolroom.

My work for the last many years has been to put that puzzle together and DVD2 will show the pieces and fit them together, IMO, as well as it can be done.

Stan Shuffett
 
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All this talk about the 2nd DVD is getting me excited, can you throw us a bone Stan with a release date?
 
What do you mean when you say fractional system? I think we probably learned the same one from Hal and it wasn't the overlap method that the OP means.

The one I learned was to divide the object ball into fourths and use on the two quarter lines and on the cue ball you use only the edges and the center.

For a cut to the right you use the center and right edge of the CB and visually align it to the two quarter lines on the OB.

This method is simply a perception not a hard physical overlap. Is that what you learned or similar?

Very similar. During the session he also talked of using a quarter of the CB to the point of contact on the OB. But what you described is what he initially talked about. During that period of time that is what Hal was teaching when he had a company called "Colliding Spheres." His teaching at that time included very little demonstration as it was mostly verbal instruction. Regardless of what he told Stan at a much later date there is a group of us who will attest to the fact that this is what he taught at the time. I have too much respect for Hal to think that at that time he would teach something he totally did not believe in especially if he had already formulated a completely new system. I never talked to him when he didn't have good story to tell.:D
 
Very similar. During the session he also talked of using a quarter of the CB to the point of contact on the OB. But what you described is what he initially talked about. During that period of time that is what Hal was teaching when he had a company called "Colliding Spheres." His teaching at that time included very little demonstration as it was mostly verbal instruction. Regardless of what he told Stan at a much later date there is a group of us who will attest to the fact that this is what he taught at the time. I have too much respect for Hal to think that at that time he would teach something he totally did not believe in especially if he had already formulated a completely new system. I never talked to him when he didn't have good story to tell.:D

It is said that Hal developed 47 different aiming systems and I am sure that Hal showed you what you have described.

At one point about 10 years ago Hal shared with me the results of an informal phone interview of some sort that he conducted with a number of instructors around the country. One point that he made was that to a person their approach to teaching the game was incorrect. Yes, aiming was at front and center. I taught and used the quarters system at the time. That was precisely when Hal asked me how I would like to have my son learn a system that would be of another dimension......I was all ears at that point!

Hal was quite explicit with me when he declared that he had NEVER shot a "QUARTERS" shot in his life. I am rephrasing somewhat as I am certain that Hal indicated to me that it was the QUARTERS SYSTEMS that he had never used.

He viewed the QUARTERS SYSTEM just as he did CP and GB. GUESSWORK!!

Stan Shuffett
 
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All this talk about the 2nd DVD is getting me excited, can you throw us a bone Stan with a release date?

I am excited as well but I do not have a release date.

10 days ago my editor said that I may have a 1st rough cut DVD in-hand within 2-3 weeks.

The whole process is winding down.

Stan Shuffett
 
This Pro one/CTE is so hard and I even try it and it useless to me. I see the edge to edge then 2nd line line up then i pivot and then to center, but before I shot.....I knew it going to be wrong and i shot it anyway and yes i was right. then try again different angle and again I knew it going to hit the rail before the pocket. I went back to way I aim and I'm making the balls. reason why im trying new thing cause way I aim is 85% going to make it and other 15% is kind of guessing. Pro one is hard and i don't see it being any good. I move on looking for someone else that can teach aiming system simple. if stan can make a dvd and it showing and zoom in how he figuring out and where he placing his cue and how look at the ball....maybe I will try again to learn it. I've had this pro one dvd for a year and i can't figure this stuff out.
 
This Pro one/CTE is so hard and I even try it and it useless to me. I see the edge to edge then 2nd line line up then i pivot and then to center, but before I shot.....I knew it going to be wrong and i shot it anyway and yes i was right. then try again different angle and again I knew it going to hit the rail before the pocket. I went back to way I aim and I'm making the balls. reason why im trying new thing cause way I aim is 85% going to make it and other 15% is kind of guessing. Pro one is hard and i don't see it being any good. I move on looking for someone else that can teach aiming system simple. if stan can make a dvd and it showing and zoom in how he figuring out and where he placing his cue and how look at the ball....maybe I will try again to learn it. I've had this pro one dvd for a year and i can't figure this stuff out.

It needs to be center to edge which is CB center and OB edge, along with the secondary line. Can you execute the first shot on the DVD ok? (slight cut to side pocket)
 
This Pro one/CTE is so hard and I even try it and it useless to me. I see the edge to edge then 2nd line line up then i pivot and then to center, but before I shot.....I knew it going to be wrong and i shot it anyway and yes i was right. then try again different angle and again I knew it going to hit the rail before the pocket. I went back to way I aim and I'm making the balls. reason why im trying new thing cause way I aim is 85% going to make it and other 15% is kind of guessing. Pro one is hard and i don't see it being any good. I move on looking for someone else that can teach aiming system simple. if stan can make a dvd and it showing and zoom in how he figuring out and where he placing his cue and how look at the ball....maybe I will try again to learn it. I've had this pro one dvd for a year and i can't figure this stuff out.

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Alignment should be similar to this!!
CTE with an A secondary alignment!
 
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Alignment should be similar to this!!
CTE with an A secondary alignment!

Similar to that, and like that, are two different things. Your "A" line is off. If you have your initial lines off, you will miss. As Mohrt asked, did you set up the simple shots in the video and try those to actually learn how to visualize the lines correctly?
 
Similar to that, and like that, are two different things. Your "A" line is off. If you have your initial lines off, you will miss. As Mohrt asked, did you set up the simple shots in the video and try those to actually learn how to visualize the lines correctly?

Sorry "Mr. Perfect!! I forgot, you know everything!
 
Sorry "Mr. Perfect!! I forgot, you know everything!

What's with the attitude?? If you don't view the lines correctly to start with, you can't possibly make the ball using the system. Ever occur to you that it is very likely that someone trying to learn the system may very well try and line up according to your diagram, and then blame the system instead of their alignment? There is already a ton of misleading info on here about CTE, which is exactly why some people have written it off.
 
What's with the attitude?? If you don't view the lines correctly to start with, you can't possibly make the ball using the system. Ever occur to you that it is very likely that someone trying to learn the system may very well try and line up according to your diagram, and then blame the system instead of their alignment? There is already a ton of misleading info on here about CTE, which is exactly why some people have written it off.

The diagram isn't misleading! It may not be perfect in your little world! Please explain
how you would line up differently!!
 
The diagram isn't misleading! It may not be perfect in your little world! Please explain
how you would line up differently!!

Put the "A" line at 1/4 ball. May not seem important to you, but it is just as important as finding center ball or finding the edge of the ball.
 
Put the "A" line at 1/4 ball. May not seem important to you, but it is just as important as finding center ball or finding the edge of the ball.

All those points are implied! You just like to argue for the sake of arguing!
Go bug CJ or somethin!!
 
All those points are implied! You just like to argue for the sake of arguing!
Go bug CJ or somethin!!

Not true at all, I hate arguing. Apparently, you feel like helping someone by putting up any ol' thing and excusing the sloppiness of it by just saying "something like that". How does that help anyone? It doesn't. Sorry you feel that anyone that disagrees with you is arguing, and you don't want to hear about it.
 
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