Is it just me?
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As many have mentioned in other threads, I think it is just the low season for sales and trading. I don't think people like myslef who have a custom or two to sell are willing to give them away. But those who have the green can scarf up a great deal here and there. Its a bottom feeders market right now.
gh8st said:
This should have read: It's a buyers' market right now.
You have to remember that not everyone can afford to spend big money on cues...be it custom or production. They get what they can afford, and for many of them, this is the time of the year to look for a cue that might otherwise be out of reach for them; and/or an opportunity to perhaps upgrade from what they are already playing with.
I would venture to guess that the vast majority of us here, at some point, started out with a production or perhaps even a lower end custom cue. Not many of us started out with a high dollar cue.
Yes, there are those who are low-ballers...but they tend to be that way all year round. But you need to remember that not everyone is as fortunate as a few others here might be....so they HAVE to look for the bargains when they can...which is generally this time of year. Also, this is the 'pre-season' for the production cue companies, and so they are gearing up for another year of cue models.
And do not forget that the majority of the players out there play with a production cue...not a custom...because it is something that they usually can pick up readily at their local pool room, through catalog sales, or from eBay. Not everyone is blessed with disposable income to buy cues willy-nilly.
Lisa
GoTulane
Shizzle-rific
I Agree with you Lisa!!!
Yes, not all of us can afford the high-end cue, but we have been able to scrape up the money for a DEAL to be found on here now, and upgrade once, twice, or three times plus. And the production makers are killing old stock to get to the new models, so those deals are also available now. And more average pool players know McDermott over Scruggs, White, Mottey, and Gina. So they want what they know.
My goal over the next year is to buy/trade/sell my way from a production cue to a Scruggs/White/Mottey. Can it be done? Probably with a lot of stamina and determination you could scrape up small cue/case sales and make the money to get to a Scruggs/White/Mottey, but it will take time, and just plain luck. Right place-right time!!!
So call me what you will, but I am gonna "bottom feed" (what we call negotiating a good deal or bargain with what you got) what I can now, and hopefully rise to the top of the food chain. Look for my new book to be released end of 2008
From Cuetec to Mottey - One man's adventure in the search for the Holy Grail"
Michael
Yes, not all of us can afford the high-end cue, but we have been able to scrape up the money for a DEAL to be found on here now, and upgrade once, twice, or three times plus. And the production makers are killing old stock to get to the new models, so those deals are also available now. And more average pool players know McDermott over Scruggs, White, Mottey, and Gina. So they want what they know.
My goal over the next year is to buy/trade/sell my way from a production cue to a Scruggs/White/Mottey. Can it be done? Probably with a lot of stamina and determination you could scrape up small cue/case sales and make the money to get to a Scruggs/White/Mottey, but it will take time, and just plain luck. Right place-right time!!!
So call me what you will, but I am gonna "bottom feed" (what we call negotiating a good deal or bargain with what you got) what I can now, and hopefully rise to the top of the food chain. Look for my new book to be released end of 2008
From Cuetec to Mottey - One man's adventure in the search for the Holy Grail"
Michael
Check it out custom cue for sale.
I still have a very nice Lambros for sale and at a buyers market price. See this thread for details. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=68483
Panhdlce you have sent me a pm inquiring about the cue. I have replied to you yet have heard nothing back from you.
I still have a very nice Lambros for sale and at a buyers market price. See this thread for details. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=68483
Panhdlce you have sent me a pm inquiring about the cue. I have replied to you yet have heard nothing back from you.
GoTulane said:
Lol...Michael, did that journey!
Now I am back down to a cue that IS my holy grail cue, and for well under $1K...and couldn't be happier. I doubt very seriously that I will own a higher end cue again.Also, sometimes I feel people get confused with the difference between eating, sleeping and breathing pool....and eating, sleeping, and breathing cues...the two are not necessarily the same thing.
I am a player, not a collector...give me a couple 2, 3 great playing cues, and I'm a very happy camper! However, if I can only have one, I'm tickled to death with the one I have now...no inlays, no wrap, just a simple monster player.
Lisa
ridewiththewind said:Lol...Michael, did that journey!
Also, sometimes I feel people get confused with the difference between eating, sleeping and breathing pool....and eating, sleeping, and breathing cues...the two are not necessarily the same thing.
I am a player, not a collector...give me a couple 2, 3 great playing cues, and I'm a very happy camper! However, if I can only have one, I'm tickled to death with the one I have now...no inlays, no wrap, just a simple monster player.
Lisa
this looks like some I would have written. rep+
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//my cue situation is identical, looks like.
GoTulane
Shizzle-rific
ridewiththewind said:Also, sometimes I feel people get confused with the difference between eating, sleeping and breathing pool....and eating, sleeping, and breathing cues...the two are not necessarily the same thing.
I am a player, not a collector...give me a couple 2, 3 great playing cues, and I'm a very happy camper! However, if I can only have one, I'm tickled to death with the one I have now...no inlays, no wrap, just a simple monster player.
Lisa
Same here Lisa. I am a player, but been into trying out all types of cues I never imagined before. Since the market is a BUYER'S MARKET, I have been able to do this without a lot of disposable income, and not lose my shirt in the process. Been lucky with cues I have purchased, and been able to trade/sell them to get another cue on my list. And plenty of people on AZB have been willing to make deals that allow me this privilege. Yep, do not have a Southwest, or even played with one, or seen one up close, but want to someday. But not one of my huge goals. I just want to buy a cue that looks good, plays good, and I can afford without selling the farm, the dog, the house, and the wife. Been able to do that, and the cue addiction is still strong to find another cue that makes me happy. It is the adventure that is exciting.
Michael
GoTulane said:
Hey, we all go through it to varying degrees...it's called "The Search for the Holy Grail".....LoL!!
I consider myself very, very fortunate to have actually found one....or perhaps my Holy Grail cuemaker. I have another coming, eventually, that was in the works when I happened upon this one. I am busy scrimping and saving to pay for it...even tho' it's not a lot of money...just because life takes priority. And if it turns out these are the only two cues I will have...I will consider myself doubly fortunate.And, when you're serious about playing, it takes some time to figure out what you really like and what works well for you. I am referring to construction and joint type, ferrule type and tip. I have figured all that out...and yes, it was fun making the journey.
Now I can focus all my energy on just my game. It really frees you up when you're not thinking about the cue anymore...it just becomes an extension of you. I guess you could say that one journey has ended for me, and a whole new one has begun....to be the best damn player I can be. Lisa
I also think that because it is a buyer's market right now, potential sellers who want to get top dollar for their cues don't really even want to bother with the low-ball offers. They aren't even listing their cues right now. The productions then seem to pop up to a different set of buyers.
Jazz said:
Yep, methinks a lot of swag bait has come over here from eBay......
Lots of sellers
But not alot of mid to high end range sellers. We still are the few. And the ultra high end sellers still post now and again just to make us smile.
I have to agree less and less cues in the $2000 and up range and up move on this forum. Unlke in the past when buying and selling cues in the 2000 to 3000 range was a very comon happening. And these cue dominated the board.
The board should be split into sections.
1)Production cues under $500 and cases under $200
2)Cues between $500 and $1000
3)And Custom cues and cases only with absolutely no production cues under $1000 or production cases less than $200
This would stop the revolving board that is becoming a regular occurance. With Bump after bump of low end (under $1000) equipment.
This would facilitate what alot of us have come to love about this forum.
Like minded people selling equipment to like minded buyers. I am not trying to be a snob at all. I just know I am more likely to buy a cue over $1000 lets say than a $200 cue.
I will buy custom sneakies and lower end stuff now and then but mostly-not. And I know for a fact there are alot of like long standing board members that have a comfort level dealing in thousands not hundreds.
Why shouldn't we have a seperate board!!! Harumph I say!!
Nick
But not alot of mid to high end range sellers. We still are the few. And the ultra high end sellers still post now and again just to make us smile.
I have to agree less and less cues in the $2000 and up range and up move on this forum. Unlke in the past when buying and selling cues in the 2000 to 3000 range was a very comon happening. And these cue dominated the board.
The board should be split into sections.
1)Production cues under $500 and cases under $200
2)Cues between $500 and $1000
3)And Custom cues and cases only with absolutely no production cues under $1000 or production cases less than $200
This would stop the revolving board that is becoming a regular occurance. With Bump after bump of low end (under $1000) equipment.
This would facilitate what alot of us have come to love about this forum.
Like minded people selling equipment to like minded buyers. I am not trying to be a snob at all. I just know I am more likely to buy a cue over $1000 lets say than a $200 cue.
I will buy custom sneakies and lower end stuff now and then but mostly-not. And I know for a fact there are alot of like long standing board members that have a comfort level dealing in thousands not hundreds.
Why shouldn't we have a seperate board!!! Harumph I say!!
Nick
nick serdula said:But not alot of mid to high end range sellers. We still are the few. And the ultra high end sellers still post now and again just to make us smile.
I have to agree less and less cues in the $2000 and up range and up move on this forum. Unlke in the past when buying and selling cues in the 2000 to 3000 range was a very comon happening. And these cue dominated the board.
The board should be split into sections.
1)Production cues under $500 and cases under $200
2)Cues between $500 and $1000
3)And Custom cues and cases only with absolutely no production cues under $1000 or production cases less than $200
This would stop the revolving board that is becoming a regular occurance. With Bump after bump of low end (under $1000) equipment.
This would facilitate what alot of us have come to love about this forum.
Like minded people selling equipment to like minded buyers. I am not trying to be a snob at all. I just know I am more likely to buy a cue over $1000 lets say than a $200 cue.
I will buy custom sneakies and lower end stuff now and then but mostly-not. And I know for a fact there are alot of like long standing board members that have a comfort level dealing in thousands not hundreds.
Why shouldn't we have a seperate board!!! Harumph I say!!
Nick
Tsk, tsk, tsk.....Nick, I thought we already established that segregation does not work....anywhere.
Despite what the Feds might like us to otherwise think....things are tight for more people all over. For some, the disposable income may not be what it once was...or never was. Luxury items, in general, are no longer a part of many people's budgets....or have been scaled way back.
And as previously mentioned, I too, think that a lot of the activity that was once normally found on eBay has found it's way here. Let's face it, with eBay's frontend and PayPal's backend fees...somewhere like AZB with it's high traffic volume has to look mighty inviting, especially when the only requirement is simply registering, which is free.
Here is where a minimum post count requirement might cut back on some of that type of activity. Not many may be willing to 'hang out' for say 75-100 posts in order to post a For Sale ad. This might also weed out some of the nefarious 'hit n run' types as well. This requirement would have little to no effect on those who have been trusted sellers here...only on those whose sole purpose for being here is to sell their wares...and offer little else to justify their being here. Let's face it, those who have a very real interest in contributing here, will hit the 75 post count pretty darn quickly.
Just a thought off the top of my head.
Lisa
I would also like to see the wanted forsale seperated into 3 or four parts.
1. Production cues
2. Custom cues under 2k
3. Custom cues over 2K
4. Cases and other billiard supplies
This would eliminate all the bumping which is really a pain for everyone IMO.
1. Production cues
2. Custom cues under 2k
3. Custom cues over 2K
4. Cases and other billiard supplies
This would eliminate all the bumping which is really a pain for everyone IMO.
lenoxmjs said:
Ditto, great idea!!
GoTulane
Shizzle-rific
the high number of posters
I am new to the boards, since December of 2006, and I posted much before I SOLD a cue, but reputation has a lot to do with being able to sell here. Seen in just my short time here the change from December to this July. Many more 1-7 post people selling a few cues(or at least posting them) and then running for the hills. I feel mostly to stay away from the Ebay and Paypal fees, and therefore they post here. Yes, it causes a lot of traffic, and bumps need to be more frequent, but that is just LIFE. Most of these people do not sell their wares easily, because of low post level and no rep. But they still try. Isn't that their right. Check a couple of the other Billiard Forums which have a Wanted/for sale section, and you will see that nothing ever gets posted there, and it moves slow. On the first page of the Wanted / for sale section, there are still posts from beginning of 2007? Would you want that kind of movement over here?
You can't have it both ways. The influx of new people brings more people here due to word of mouth, which could be more possible sellers, and more buyers. Isn't that a good thing? If us poor people buying cues takes up too much time for the High End cue sellers and buyers to run through our posts, then I would say I am sorry, and would like to see a section dedicated to just $1000+ cues. That would be great for all of us. Since I already know what I have in disposable income to spend, and do not need to waste my time looking at cues that I cannot afford. I already know how to dream, and do that well enough at night. Do not need the help. So lets do it!!! Or in the meantime, you could post over at that other site's Wanted / For Sale Forum, since the movement there might be to your liking.
Just my two cents.
I can't afford 4 cents!
Michael
I am new to the boards, since December of 2006, and I posted much before I SOLD a cue, but reputation has a lot to do with being able to sell here. Seen in just my short time here the change from December to this July. Many more 1-7 post people selling a few cues(or at least posting them) and then running for the hills. I feel mostly to stay away from the Ebay and Paypal fees, and therefore they post here. Yes, it causes a lot of traffic, and bumps need to be more frequent, but that is just LIFE. Most of these people do not sell their wares easily, because of low post level and no rep. But they still try. Isn't that their right. Check a couple of the other Billiard Forums which have a Wanted/for sale section, and you will see that nothing ever gets posted there, and it moves slow. On the first page of the Wanted / for sale section, there are still posts from beginning of 2007? Would you want that kind of movement over here?
You can't have it both ways. The influx of new people brings more people here due to word of mouth, which could be more possible sellers, and more buyers. Isn't that a good thing? If us poor people buying cues takes up too much time for the High End cue sellers and buyers to run through our posts, then I would say I am sorry, and would like to see a section dedicated to just $1000+ cues. That would be great for all of us. Since I already know what I have in disposable income to spend, and do not need to waste my time looking at cues that I cannot afford. I already know how to dream, and do that well enough at night. Do not need the help. So lets do it!!! Or in the meantime, you could post over at that other site's Wanted / For Sale Forum, since the movement there might be to your liking.
Just my two cents.
I can't afford 4 cents!
Michael
I almost agree
I really had to think hard about the differance between the $1000 and $2000 cue thing.most post involving cues over $1000 usually involve higher retail cuea because alot of established board members sell below normal pricing. But $2000 was my first choice. After a little thought and review of the board the same thing would be accomplished most of the time at $1000. Pool tables would also have to be in this section.
Truth be known the high end cue market lately would start in the over $3500 range but setting the $1000 minium would accomplish alot.
Thanks for your agreement.
This is not segrigation. This is a marketing forum and with more and more members every day the board is on fire. So little stability would be nice. The thing is the higher end stuff would get a equal viewing where now it just does not happen like that without bumping any more.
Nick
I really had to think hard about the differance between the $1000 and $2000 cue thing.most post involving cues over $1000 usually involve higher retail cuea because alot of established board members sell below normal pricing. But $2000 was my first choice. After a little thought and review of the board the same thing would be accomplished most of the time at $1000. Pool tables would also have to be in this section.
Truth be known the high end cue market lately would start in the over $3500 range but setting the $1000 minium would accomplish alot.
Thanks for your agreement.
This is not segrigation. This is a marketing forum and with more and more members every day the board is on fire. So little stability would be nice. The thing is the higher end stuff would get a equal viewing where now it just does not happen like that without bumping any more.
Nick
Great idea
I'd also love to see the Wanted/For Sale section divided into separate parts like you've described. Then it would be so much easier to buy or sell a cue or case without having to wade through a bunch of cues and cases that you aren't interested in. I wish the AZ forum guru's could do this for the furum members. Maybe if enough of the forum members asked for the Wanted/For Sale section to be separated they might decide to do it for us. This is a great idea.......lenoxmjs said: