I complained about poor maintenance on a venue's 8' Valleys. For example, a table length kick shot at just above pocket speed for a ball in front of an end pocket. Would you expect that the cue ball would 'hop' very noticeably off the rail? Our league operator says that's the way Valleys have always played. Is that true?
Is it 'normal' for the cue ball to jump off the rail on an 8' valley (or any table) when shot at reasonably normal speeds?
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I think dirty table and balls can cause that.
Not normal
APA league?
Some people have no idea what they are talking about and swear they're right.
People in management will just say whatever holds you off.
Do you have big cue balls? That could contribute.
I made a post about this issue a while back:
Valley tables problem
I've been wondering why some Valley tables have super fast cushions (low nose height). Used to think it was mainly because of improper cloth installation, but putting brand new rails on 2 identical tables, and having to shim the rails up on one and not the other got me thinking it's something...
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APA yes, big cue balls, no. The side pockets also reject clean shots with even medium force, but I can live with that. However, not being able to trust the end rails just doesn't seem right. @Sheldon What was the verdict in that thread? Not sure I caught it. A design flaw or an installation problem?
Did you measure it up for him?
What is the best way to measure the height of the cushion nose? Wooden ruler? What if your cloth plays like shag carpet? Do you just press hard as hell and hope it bottoms out on the slate?
I believe it's the cabinet. I've put brand new rails on 2 tables side by side and had to shim the rails up on one and not the other. Only thing that makes sense is that the wood not being plumb where the rails bolt up causes the nose to dip.
I cut thin wood shims about 3" long and put them below the bolts under the rails. Hit them with a glue stick to keep them from coming out.
You can loosen the bolts and raise them up and re-tighten, but they will eventually go back down unless you shim them. Be careful not to over tighten the rail bolts, 7 ft. lbs is what I put them at.
I chopped up a cheap quick square.
What about wrapping cloth around to the bottom of the slate, wont that cause the slate to sit high in the cabinet causing the rails to be too low??I believe it's the cabinet. I've put brand new rails on 2 tables side by side and had to shim the rails up on one and not the other. Only thing that makes sense is that the wood not being plumb where the rails bolt up causes the nose to dip.
I cut thin wood shims about 3" long and put them below the bolts under the rails. Hit them with a glue stick to keep them from coming out.
You can loosen the bolts and raise them up and re-tighten, but they will eventually go back down unless you shim them. Be careful not to over tighten the rail bolts, 7 ft. lbs is what I put them at.
I chopped up a cheap quick square.
I think this is the answer to the problem…