is jayson shaw overrated?

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poolplaya1976

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I saw a few of jayson's matches this past week and while he is a great shotmaker I see a lot of flaws in his game. I think his safety game is quite weak and has an inability mentally that he tilts very easy. souquet never has an emotional reaction to anything. shaw, on the other hand, gets mad easily and it really affects his game. I think he has a lot of firepower and a lot of pluses to his game but the negatives are keeping him from being among the top few best. he was cruising in the winner's bracket and before you knew it ralf beat him double hill and he is gone to get in 5th/6th place. I truly believe anything less than first or second was a disappointing result considering he was undefeated with 12 players left. anyone else feel this way about shaw?
 
Jayson isnt very mature. He's a bit too arrogant for my tastes, too. But he is definitely not overrated. In fact, he doesn't really even know how to play yet. No doubt, raw talent has gotten him this far. If he remains teachable, he will become even more of a monster.
 
poolplaya1976 said:
I truly believe anything less than first or second was a disappointing result considering he was undefeated with 12 players left.
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Ehh? In a field that strong those final 12 guys are all shooting like stone cold killers by that point. There were 4 guys on the A-side still. Anything less than a first or second? Sure everyone wants to win but at that stage of an event against that level of talent nothing is certain, no matter how good you are shooting.
 
poolplaya1976 said:
I saw a few of jayson's matches this past week and while he is a great shotmaker I see a lot of flaws in his game. I think his safety game is quite weak and has an inability mentally that he tilts very easy. souquet never has an emotional reaction to anything. shaw, on the other hand, gets mad easily and it really affects his game. I think he has a lot of firepower and a lot of pluses to his game but the negatives are keeping him from being among the top few best. he was cruising in the winner's bracket and before you knew it ralf beat him double hill and he is gone to get in 5th/6th place. I truly believe anything less than first or second was a disappointing result considering he was undefeated with 12 players left. anyone else feel this way about shaw?
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You should offer to coach him. Maybe he can learn from you.
 
Celtic said:
Ehh? In a field that strong those final 12 guys are all shooting like stone cold killers by that point. There were 4 guys on the A-side still. Anything less than a first or second? Sure everyone wants to win but at that stage of an event against that level of talent nothing is certain, no matter how good you are shooting.
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I think his loss to boyes was surprising to everyone that was there...it was in the air.....john morra bid 1500 in a blind bid and picked jayson.....I guess my point is everyone thought jayson was a big favorite and he was one match away from a guaranteed third with a chance to win it all.....I think the weaknesses to his game are holding him back big time
 
JS is good, but there are 5 guys from China/Taiwan that plays at the same level. 5 more from the Phillipines too.

3 from the U.S(Shane/Dechaine/Justin).
 
gxman said:
JS is good, but there are 5 guys from China/Taiwan that plays at the same level. 5 more from the Phillipines too.

3 from the U.S(Shane/Dechaine/Justin).
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I don't think he is top 10 even.....neither do the European captains because they bypass him every year :yikes:
 
I'm not sure that I would say that he is overrated, but you make a good point that he needs some improvement. It depends on where you have rated him to say he is "overrated".

Although, I think that you've pointed out his major weaknesses accurately -- safety play and controlling his emotions.
 
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Get_A_Grip said:
I'm not sure that I would say that he is overrated, but you make a good point that he needs some improvement. It depends on where you have rated him to say he is "overrated".

I also think that you've pointed out his major weaknesses accurately -- safety play and controlling his emotions.
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thanks, with all the trolling here it is nice to get a compliment :hug:
 
poolplaya1976 said:
no need to troll....maybe bergman can coach him? oh nvm he didn't coach him he schooled him 80 to 59 for the cheese
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Want to talk lack of maturity, after Justin beat him he was on facebook the next 2 days saying what a fluke it was & how Justin got 40 or 50 rolls to beat him. His ego was bruised but he would not stop making excuses & bashing Bergman in the process. Someone made a comment on the timeline he was ranting in saying with Bergman's current form they thought he would do well at the U.S Open. He comes back with no way Justin could ever do well at the open with his break & it was the worst break he had ever seen. Appleton joined here & there with a little shit talking himself. they were saying Bergman had to play him now. This was all later erased from facebook which he has done a few times.
 
poolplaya1976 said:
I don't think he is top 10 even.....neither do the European captains because they bypass him every year :yikes:
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Not top euro? They bypass toasty also! And before Karl went deep us open he was a middle of the pack player... I don't care for his attitude but be real... Shaw is better than Karl. toasty is top four-a euro... Daz Niels toasty Albin.....shaw is better than the rest and if you disagree you have no clue of world pool
 
poolplaya1976 said:
no need to troll....maybe bergman can coach him? oh nvm he didn't coach him he schooled him 80 to 59 for the cheese
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And you're pointing out the guy's weaknesses in his game. Match up with him and see how you do. The guy is a monster. As are the guys he's playing against. Pointing out "weaknesses" in a guy's game that could probably spot you the 5 out and rob you is kinda hilarious.
 
molinatx4206 said:
Not top euro? They bypass toasty also! And before Karl went deep us open he was a middle of the pack player... I don't care for his attitude but be real... Shaw is better than Karl. toasty is top four-a euro... Daz Niels toasty Albin.....shaw is better than the rest and if you disagree you have no clue of world pool
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if he is better than karl he needed to get the W when it counted most.......unfortunately, he didn't......he gagged on the tv table
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
And you're pointing out the guy's weaknesses in his game. Match up with him and see how you do. The guy is a monster. As are the guys he's playing against. Pointing out "weaknesses" in a guy's game that could probably spot you the 5 out and rob you is kinda hilarious.
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I will take the 5 and take my chances for 100k, set up the match......I don't need any backers, I will bet my own
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
And you're pointing out the guy's weaknesses in his game. Match up with him and see how you do. The guy is a monster. As are the guys he's playing against. Pointing out "weaknesses" in a guy's game that could probably spot you the 5 out and rob you is kinda hilarious.
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I don't have a problem with pointing out a player's weaknesses. As pool fans, we can watch a whole lot of matches of some of the best players in the world. You don't need to be one of the best players in the world to make an accurate critique.

In fact, I'll add one more weakness of his, that is also a positive. He has extreme confidence, which sometimes could translate into "over confidence". While normally confidence works in a pool players favor, it can also cause a player to rush their shots and cause unnecessary misses or poor safeties sometimes.

As a side note: I heard that before his Karen Corr match that he said that he was going to "smoke her" or something like that.....and then in ended up down 10-9, before he eventually made a full table jump and ran out the hill-hill game for the win. It seems to me that he may have been a bit "over confident" before that match. :thumbup:
 
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