is jayson shaw overrated?

poolplaya1976 said:
I will take the 5 and take my chances for 100k, set up the match......I don't need any backers, I will bet my own
Click to expand...

Shawn Armstrong said:
And you're pointing out the guy's weaknesses in his game. Match up with him and see how you do. The guy is a monster. As are the guys he's playing against. Pointing out "weaknesses" in a guy's game that could probably spot you the 5 out and rob you is kinda hilarious.
Click to expand...

This has been stated quite few times, and it's nothing personal.
But one doesn't have to be better than the players to judge them.

You only need to have the knowledge. A lot of experts in sports weren't even good players or might not even play at all themselves.
Besides the guy's got the point here, many have observed Jayson's rather weak spot as a player.

For example one might say he shoots better than Morra, but would definitely also agree Morra controls emotion much better than him. And that matters in crucial game time.

Have fun watching the game and learn from player's good and bad :grin:
 
djyadj said:
This has been stated quite few times, and it's nothing personal.
But one doesn't have to be better than the players to judge them.

You only need to have the knowledge. A lot of experts in sports weren't even good players or might not even play at all themselves.
Besides the guy's got the point here, many have observed Jayson's rather weak spot as a player.

For example one might say he shoots better than Morra, but would definitely also agree Morra controls emotion much better than him. And that matters in crucial game time.

Have fun watching the game and learn from player's good and bad :grin:
Click to expand...

thanks for an intelligent post.....we need more of that on azb
 
Get_A_Grip said:
I don't have a problem with pointing out a player's weaknesses. As pool fans, we can watch a whole lot of matches of some of the best players in the world. You don't need to be one of the best players in the world to make an accurate critique.

In fact, I'll add one more weakness of his, that is also a positive. He has extreme confidence, which sometimes could translate into "over confidence". While normally confidence works in a pool players favor, it can also cause a player to rush his shots and cause unnecessary misses or poor safeties sometimes. I heard that before his Karen Corr match that he said that he was going to "smoke her" or something like that.....and then in ended up down 10-9, before he eventually made a full table jump and ran out the hill-hill game for the win. It seems to me that he may have been a bit "over confident" before that match. :thumbup:
Click to expand...

Corr beat Ko at the US Open. Should we start pointing out the weaknesses in Ko's game? We see these guys at certain tournaments, and make statements about a guy's game, and his relevance in the pool world. Jayson Shaw is a monster player. Head and shoulders above 99.99% of pool players on Earth. As are the names he's being compared to. We're arguing whether Bubba Watson is overrated, compared to Rory. They're in the top 20 of their craft in the world. The guy that will win, on any given day, is the guy that has his A game on the day of the tournament. Shane didn't win another US Open. Bowed out before Jayson. I guess Shane must be overrated, as well? Give Jayson some time - he's young. Like Justin. Like Skylar. Their legacies will be determined over a period of years. Jayson is incredibly talented.

With regards to the temper, Ralf Souquet used to have a temper as well. He ended up taking up meditation, and worked on his mental game. Became the stone cold robot he is now. People can mature and change. Give him time. But for me to try and critique a player's abilities that are head and shoulders above me is pointless. Pool is full of armchair quarterbacks that talk about other players, in a negative manner. There is nothing positive about the OP's post - he's merely talking shit about Jayson. "I think Jayson Shaw is overrated....how about you?". Good for you.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Corr beat Ko at the US Open. Should we start pointing out the weaknesses in Ko's game? We see these guys at certain tournaments, and make statements about a guy's game, and his relevance in the pool world. Jayson Shaw is a monster player. Head and shoulders above 99.99% of pool players on Earth. As are the names he's being compared to. We're arguing whether Bubba Watson is overrated, compared to Rory. They're in the top 20 of their craft in the world. The guy that will win, on any given day, is the guy that has his A game on the day of the tournament. Shane didn't win another US Open. Bowed out before Jayson. I guess Shane must be overrated, as well? Give Jayson some time - he's young. Like Justin. Like Skylar. Their legacies will be determined over a period of years. Jayson is incredibly talented.

With regards to the temper, Ralf Souquet used to have a temper as well. He ended up taking up meditation, and worked on his mental game. Became the stone cold robot he is now. People can mature and change. Give him time. But for me to try and critique a player's abilities that are head and shoulders above me is pointless. Pool is full of armchair quarterbacks that talk about other players, in a negative manner. There is nothing positive about the OP's post - he's merely talking shit about Jayson. "I think Jayson Shaw is overrated....how about you?". Good for you.
Click to expand...

Yeah, but in the Ko vs Corr situation, it was probably more of Corr being underrated! :grin:
 
Get_A_Grip said:
I don't have a problem with pointing out a player's weaknesses. As pool fans, we can watch a whole lot of matches of some of the best players in the world. You don't need to be one of the best players in the world to make an accurate critique.

In fact, I'll add one more weakness of his, that is also a positive. He has extreme confidence, which sometimes could translate into "over confidence". While normally confidence works in a pool players favor, it can also cause a player to rush their shots and cause unnecessary misses or poor safeties sometimes.

As a side note: I heard that before his Karen Corr match that he said that he was going to "smoke her" or something like that.....and then in ended up down 10-9, before he eventually made a full table jump and ran out the hill-hill game for the win. It seems to me that he may have been a bit "over confident" before that match. :thumbup:
Click to expand...

smoke her? he was lucky to edge past her lol
 
Get_A_Grip said:
Yeah, but in the Ko vs Corr situation, it was probably more of Corr being underrated! :grin:
Click to expand...

Point is, it could have been one of 1000 different things. Do you always have your best stuff every time you play? I've seen enough of Jayson to know he's one of the best players in the world. To say he's overrated is a little insulting. He is talented. As are all of the professional players. There are ways you can phrase things. I get called a troll by a guy that joined this month, has 300 posts, and says he'll bet the 5 out against Jayson for $100k of his own money. Now I know what I'm dealing with.

Any normal human would have posted about Jayson's good showing at the US Open, and that he feels when Jayson tightens up the little things in the game, he could truly be one of the best in the world. Instead, he chooses the negative route. Both posts say the same thing - he needs to work on the little things to be truly great, but there's no need to try and diminish the guy's talent because of his attitude or the fact he lost money in another match. He's a talented pool player. It wasn't a question of whether he's Mr. Congeniality.
 
Shaw has some things to work on, but definitely not overrated. Ever notice the game differential in some of his wins? He beats good players by alot very frequently. If he fills in the pieces, he could easily become the best in the world at the rotation games. Time will tell.
 
Jayson (and a LOT of players) could benefit from a coach and structured practice. He is not nearly as good as he can be. Comparisons to Strickland are very accurate. If you go back to the 90s and see videos of Strickland you will likely see many similarities.

Jayson does go on tilt and that is something he can overcome. If he does then watch out world. As it is he is a top threat to win any event he is in.
 
DJ14.1 said:
Shaw has some things to work on, but definitely not overrated. Ever notice the game differential in some of his wins? He beats good players by alot very frequently. If he fills in the pieces, he could easily become the best in the world at the rotation games. Time will tell.
Click to expand...

if he doesn't toughen up mentally and grow up he wont even be in the game in 5 years.....every loss he has ever had he has excuses for.....jb grills him recently and jb got all the rolls......he is a cocky baby that I truly believe will fade to the point we wont ever see him in a few years
 
JB Cases said:
Jayson (and a LOT of players) could benefit from a coach and structured practice. He is not nearly as good as he can be. Comparisons to Strickland are very accurate. If you go back to the 90s and see videos of Strickland you will likely see many similarities.

Jayson does go on tilt and that is something he can overcome. If he does then watch out world. As it is he is a top threat to win any event he is in.
Click to expand...

Do you think he's overrated? That's the question.
 
He's not overrated, look at how Darren played when gambling at the DCC years ago or on TAR. Gambling just isn't what they do in Europe, Jayson has more upside than just about any other player over here especially when playing heads up. Just look how far MD has come since he played Bartrum on TAR.
 
poolplaya1976 said:
I will take the 5 and take my chances for 100k, set up the match......I don't need any backers, I will bet my own
Click to expand...

You are either :
1. Mmad at your money, or;
B- Ddumb as a bag of hammers.

Someone should probably let you know that top pros give A players bigger handicaps than the 5 and the As don't have to win.

Guess they will be redoing this book:
61gvh9W6sWL.jpg
 
Last edited:
This is the internet, ppl like to assume they know pretty much everything :smile:
Who knows how 1976 plays, maybe he has a pro speed :rolleyes:
 
djyadj said:
This is the internet, ppl like to assume they know pretty much everything :smile:
Who knows how 1976 plays, maybe he has a pro speed :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

when moron ran his trap about getting the 5 out i said i would play this match for 100k and i 100 percent would.....so whatever speed i am i guess it is fast enough to bark for 100k
 
djyadj said:
This is the internet, ppl like to assume they know pretty much everything :smile:
Who knows how 1976 plays, maybe he has a pro speed :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

No way. There's a telltale sign in his posts. He has $100K of his own money, and he's willing to gamble with it. Those two things together = not a pro.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
And you're pointing out the guy's weaknesses in his game. Match up with him and see how you do. The guy is a monster. As are the guys he's playing against. Pointing out "weaknesses" in a guy's game that could probably spot you the 5 out and rob you is kinda hilarious.
Click to expand...

Doubt Johan could win with that spot and he does pretty well
 
poolplaya1976 said:
when moron ran his trap about getting the 5 out i said i would play this match for 100k and i 100 percent would.....so whatever speed i am i guess it is fast enough to bark for 100k
Click to expand...

You said you wanted the 5, not the 5 out. Not that it would make a difference.

I wish jaysoniac would post a picture of his half of the bet all laid out on a pool table.

"Where's yours?"
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top