Is playing practicing?

TimFXF

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My practice habits are scattershot. Sometimes (at home) I do drills, but most of the time I reach into the pockets, spread balls out on the table and "assign" myself a course of action... Solids or stripes... numerical order... try to make the toughest shot... take the shot I know i'm weak at... Sometimes I just rack 'em and play.

A friend of mine says that I'm wasting my time. I think that I learn a little from every situation. Cumulatively, I think I learn a lot.

So, is just playing really practicing?
 
any type of playing can be considered practice....

everytime you play, its like adding another brick to the wall..

once you added enough bricks, you will be a better player..

chris
 
Practice and playing should be two different things. When you practice, your intent should be to focus on improvement for a specific part of your game. Your mind should be evaluating your performance in those areas. If you practice properly, the improvements will show up when you play.

Practice is repair time. Playing is showtime.

Steve
 
pooltchr said:
Practice and playing should be two different things. When you practice, your intent should be to focus on improvement for a specific part of your game. Your mind should be evaluating your performance in those areas. If you practice properly, the improvements will show up when you play.

Practice is repair time. Playing is showtime.

Steve

I understand what you mean, but its hard to practice by yourself sometimes. For instance, setting up the same shot to try and shoot over and over. I don't know many drills, which there probably are many, but that seems to be my setback.
 
pooltchr said:
Practice and playing should be two different things. When you practice, your intent should be to focus on improvement for a specific part of your game. Your mind should be evaluating your performance in those areas. If you practice properly, the improvements will show up when you play.

Practice is repair time. Playing is showtime.

Steve

I agree one hundred percent, though I get criticized about it by guys who want me to bang the balls around with them. I don't get anything from sitting in a chair and watching somebody else make balls or, worse, miss them.

I'd rather work on shots I've been having trouble with or drills to improve my touch and position.

When I do play someone, I want to play for something. That assures that I'm going to apply myself and not just go thru the motions.
 
TimFXF said:
My practice habits are scattershot. Sometimes (at home) I do drills, but most of the time I reach into the pockets, spread balls out on the table and "assign" myself a course of action... Solids or stripes... numerical order... try to make the toughest shot... take the shot I know i'm weak at... Sometimes I just rack 'em and play.

A friend of mine says that I'm wasting my time. I think that I learn a little from every situation. Cumulatively, I think I learn a lot.

So, is just playing really practicing?
Well, it all depends. If ur practice-play involves reps… Yes. If ur attempting to achieve a certain goal (other than running-out)… no.

During pratice-play u will be able to recognize shots that require a little more skill or some critical thinking involvement. Practice drills will help you execute the shot. Only because it will take u less time to execute and will allow u to focus more on the run-out. If anything, practice-play should let you know in what areas u need to improve on:
During matches, I notate what achievements and errors mostly made during the match. Depending on the severity of the errors, I will form a practice session out of it in order to at least game some insight as to why I made the error and what needs to be achieved to correct it. Evaluate the achievements in relation to how important the achievement is in the particular game over all (i.e. Minimal cue-ball traveling/movement, shot selection, pattern play, etc.)

When I do practice-play it’s mostly to work on run-outs, improve a certain skill (without regards in other areas), sustain focus, or evaluate my progress.

I would have to agree with ur friend that ur learning little from every situation since u r needing to correct things on a come-as-u-go basis. <--And I don’t mean it in a bad way…. it’s just not efficient, but if it makes u more happy/comfortable, then disregard his notion.

The excellent part however is that ur exposure in recognizing these patterns/situations is great.
 
pooltchr said:
Practice and playing should be two different things. When you practice, your intent should be to focus on improvement for a specific part of your game. Your mind should be evaluating your performance in those areas. If you practice properly, the improvements will show up when you play.

Practice is repair time. Playing is showtime.

Steve

While I agree with you that practice and playing are two different things, I also believe that a significant amount of your practice time should be spent practicing how you play in order to develop the groove of letting go and just allowing your game to flow. In the Pro Book, Bob Henning advocated devoting 60% of your practice time to performance under game conditions, and it made sense to me. I do this by playing the ghost and solitary straight pool, but if I had available opponents I would certainly include practice sets as part of the routine.

Now that I'm considering the matter, isn't playing cheap sets with tough competition a form of practice? How else do you develop the mental skills and experience necessary to engage in serious competition?

I conclude by stressing that I am not, in any way, attempting to minimize the vital importance of drills and repetition. However, it is also necessary to practice and learn to compete; and the only way, IMHO, to do this is by competing.
 
One of the best ways to improve your game is to play in a strong league. The pressure is often "on" and you have to pull your own weight, thus forcing you to bear down and focus. People who want to learn or improve will remain alert, watching every game to see what works and what doesn't and make mental (or written) notes regarding those situations.

Practice should not be casual or unfocussed, as you will carry that over to critical matches.

If you wish to improve your game, play leagues, play weekly tourneys, and practice with intent (play the ghost as others have stated). You should be able to put pressure on yourself during practice. This regimen will give you a taste of all types of situations and pressure and expose you to what other players are doing to win.
 
Inzombiac said:
I understand what you mean, but its hard to practice by yourself sometimes. For instance, setting up the same shot to try and shoot over and over. I don't know many drills, which there probably are many, but that seems to be my setback.

I've been pretty frustrated because I can't get beyond the banger stage. Lousy at position, poor concentration, etc.

I've never been very organized in practicing, just throw balls out on the table and shoot, or play nine ball.

I started trying progressive drills a couple of weeks ago and they seem promising. Bob Jewett has quite a few online in articles and files. Here is a link to one that has quite a few drills in it if you are looking for drills.

http://www.sfbilliards.com/basics.pdf
 
If you are having problems with practicing read the book "Pleasures of Small Motions". I picked it up at the Derby. Haven't read much of it but it has already changed my playing and attitude about practicing drills.
 
Although many people advocate that drills and practicing certain shots over and over again is the essential way to practice, I believe otherwise. Most people simply throw balls on the table and run out, which is naturally criticized. There have been several studies and books (unrelated to pool) that show when learning something new such as writing cursive you learn the best by practicing all elements of the skill at once. For example, you would practice writing all the letters of the alphabet in cursive at the same time instead of writing the same letter over and over. It's no doubt the slowest way to learn, but it also the best. In pool, when you shoot the same kind of shot over and over, you're consciously focusing on that one shot in that one scenario. You may become consciously better at that one shot quicker, but trying to combine the various shots from practice to a game in various scenarios will be overwhelming while throwing other parts of your game off. Let’s say you practice the exact same shot 200 times in a row. Then in a game situation, that shot finally comes up, but this time it’s at a slightly different angle and in order to get position to the next ball you have to use different English with a different stroke. You’re practice really wouldn’t of helped as much as you had hoped. If you instead practice like you’re playing the game, all of the elements of every shot would eventually become engraved subconsciously and those minor differences on every shot will have been practiced unknowingly at some point or another. There are too many variations on every shot to consciously practice all of them separately.

In my opinion, the best way to practice is to just throw balls on the table and run out as long as you don't start just banging balls like most people do. This way you're practicing all elements of the game at once without consciously focusing on any one particular shot too much, which will train your subconscious better. Pool is supposed to come natural from the subconscious when competing. You're not supposed to have to think.

In my personal experience I have rarely done any drills, and always practiced just by running out balls or playing the ghost even before knowing the best way to practice. I practiced that way because it was the most fun. When I did do drills or tried to practice the same shot over and over, it felt like I was focusing too much while becoming extremely bored. In the past two years my game has shot up tremendously without much conscious effort in the way I practice. Now, my game is completely unconscious, and I don't know how I make the balls or get shape; it just happens. I don’t consciously compensate for English, nor could I probably explain how to do so, but it happens somehow in my subconscious.

That’s just my personal opinion on the subject. Feel free to object!
 
I see practice as repetition. Repetition is how human beings learn physical motion. Please remember that haphazard practice or play will result in haphazard results.

A little kid ask a Professional, "Mister, why are you shooting the same shot, over & over", The man replied, "well Sonny, it's because this shot comes up lots of times".

One thing to remember is this... there are a few naturals & they learn to play great pool, by playing (maybe one out of ten thousand people). The rest of us learn to play well by practicing.
 
I see practice as repetition. Repetition is how human beings learn physical motion. Please remember that haphazard practice or play will result in haphazard results.

A little kid ask a Professional, "Mister, why are you shooting the same shot, over & over", The man replied, "well Sonny, it's because this shot comes up lots of times".

One thing to remember is this... there are a few naturals & they learn to play great pool, by playing (maybe one out of ten thousand people). The rest of us learn to play well by practicing.

I don't disagree that practicing the same shot over and over can help, but you're in a different state of mind on your 50th consecutive shot then you are when that same type of shot suddenly comes up once in a game. Also you can't consciously practice all of the suttle differences in every shot such as english and stroke while preparing for that exact situation in a game. When playing (if you have the discipline to play just like when your competing) by yourself, you will overtime unconsciously have practiced all the elements of pool many times, and it will all seem to come natural as it should.
 
SixSence said:
Although many people advocate that drills and practicing certain shots over and over again is the essential way to practice, I believe otherwise. Most people simply throw balls on the table and run out, which is naturally criticized. There have been several studies and books (unrelated to pool) that show when learning something new such as writing cursive you learn the best by practicing all elements of the skill at once. For example, you would practice writing all the letters of the alphabet in cursive at the same time instead of writing the same letter over and over. It's no doubt the slowest way to learn, but it also the best. In pool, when you shoot the same kind of shot over and over, you're consciously focusing on that one shot in that one scenario. You may become consciously better at that one shot quicker, but trying to combine the various shots from practice to a game in various scenarios will be overwhelming while throwing other parts of your game off. Let’s say you practice the exact same shot 200 times in a row. Then in a game situation, that shot finally comes up, but this time it’s at a slightly different angle and in order to get position to the next ball you have to use different English with a different stroke. You’re practice really wouldn’t of helped as much as you had hoped. If you instead practice like you’re playing the game, all of the elements of every shot would eventually become engraved subconsciously and those minor differences on every shot will have been practiced unknowingly at some point or another. There are too many variations on every shot to consciously practice all of them separately.

In my opinion, the best way to practice is to just throw balls on the table and run out as long as you don't start just banging balls like most people do. This way you're practicing all elements of the game at once without consciously focusing on any one particular shot too much, which will train your subconscious better. Pool is supposed to come natural from the subconscious when competing. You're not supposed to have to think.

In my personal experience I have rarely done any drills, and always practiced just by running out balls or playing the ghost even before knowing the best way to practice. I practiced that way because it was the most fun. When I did do drills or tried to practice the same shot over and over, it felt like I was focusing too much while becoming extremely bored. In the past two years my game has shot up tremendously without much conscious effort in the way I practice. Now, my game is completely unconscious, and I don't know how I make the balls or get shape; it just happens. I don’t consciously compensate for English, nor could I probably explain how to do so, but it happens somehow in my subconscious.

That’s just my personal opinion on the subject. Feel free to object!
SixSence,

Good first post. I see from your profile that you are young and perhaps at the beginning of a life long passion in the subculture of pool. While I agree with you about the subconious level being where it's at to find your highest gear keep in mind that the conscious preparation time you devote to your game will pay off when you FREE WILLY...LOL
Keep the good attitude you have but keep an open mind to some of the advice available here on this forum.
Welcome aboard and never cage WILLY...:)
 
Never leave the table without the feeling as if you haven't learned anything. If you do then you did waste your time. Always practice as if it were your last shot and i promise you will get better. This helps promote concentration and muscle memory for you. Hope that helps=))
 
SixSence,

Good first post. I see from your profile that you are young and perhaps at the beginning of a life long passion in the subculture of pool. While I agree with you about the subconious level being where it's at to find your highest gear keep in mind that the conscious preparation time you devote to your game will pay off when you FREE WILLY...LOL
Keep the good attitude you have but keep an open mind to some of the advice available here on this forum.
Welcome aboard and never cage WILLY...

Oh believe me I have an extremely open mind. I am only nineteen, but have been playing since I was 5, and around pool my entire life. I am constantly observing league players that try to read all the books and focus so much on little things I have never taken into account. They will spend a two minute time-out discussing the apparently mind-boggling wide open table 3 ball runout with ball-in-hand. My game is completely unconscious, and as long as I hold the ability to trust my unconsious mind in pressure situations, it's all I need. You start missing and making mistakes the moment you doubt yourself and start over-complicating it. As far as the drills go, I still hold my opinion as it has enabled me to become a better player extremely fast without having to try and consciously learn every little thing such as which way to compensate for english and how to shoot each individual shot. I firmly hold this opinion with an open mind, which is why I'm here discussing it with others.
 
Foolonthehill said:
I've been pretty frustrated because I can't get beyond the banger stage. Lousy at position, poor concentration, etc.

I've never been very organized in practicing, just throw balls out on the table and shoot, or play nine ball.

I started trying progressive drills a couple of weeks ago and they seem promising. Bob Jewett has quite a few online in articles and files. Here is a link to one that has quite a few drills in it if you are looking for drills.

http://www.sfbilliards.com/basics.pdf

One great practice method is to throw all 15 balls on the table and start with ball in hand. Run the balls out and if you miss, draw two balls out of the pockets and throw them back on the table and start running again. If you miss, draw two more. Continue until you run the balls out. By keeping track of how many you miss, you can calculate your percentage of misses and makes by using this formula: miss percentage = M / [15 + (( N +1 ) x M )] x 100%
where N is the number of balls you draw from the pockets when you miss and M is the number of misses you have before completing the drill. Make percentage is just 100% minus the miss percentage.

Example: Playing "Draw - 4" and you have 2 misses before clearing the table, the miss percantage is = [2 / [15 + ((4+1) x 2)] x 100% or (2/25) x 100% which equals a miss percentage of 8%. Basically 2 misses in 25 shots. It is an easy way to track your skill and you will feel pressure as you shoot because you have a penalty if you miss! So, you make a ball on 92% of the shots you take. These are real numbers that you can track over time to chart your progress.

As you get better and are able to run out with the "Draw - 2" drill, then add a ball and draw out 3 balls when you miss. You will get to the point where you are good enough to play "Draw - 10" or more. I got to that point after a while and often owed balls, since I did not have enough pocketed to cover the debt of a miss. I would just start spotting balls as I made them for that situation.
 
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I practice by throwing balls out and running them off all of the time, as long as the focus is there I think it's a great way to work on your game. If the focus isn't there I unscrew the cue and come back at another time because then it's just "banging" and wasted time.
 
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