Is Pool Truly Dying Globally?

Push&Pool

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I've not been a regular on the forum for quite some time, and due to other activities I haven't been consistent with my playing either. Then the pandemic started, and I found myself absentmindedly browsing the threads here, only to encounter multiple topics centered around many pool halls and bar tables not surviving as a consequence of covid-19.

But why is that? Not during covid, I mean, but why is the general decline of pool happening all over the world? I've seen a number of posters blaming the changes in lifestyle, like video games, netflix etc. But I don't feel these are direct competitors with pool. Here's why.

Netflix and single player gaming fall into indoor solo activities, together with reading, watching movies and tv, web browsing and so on. They usually lack the social aspect most people need in their lives. Multiplayer gaming, as well as social media, fall into the virtual socialization category, be it over a form of competition or simply through communication.

But the majority of people, including the younger generations, crave real-world socialization as well. If they didn't, bars, night clubs, sport gyms and similar establishments would be dying out as well. This may be the golden age of extreme introverts who truly lack the need to spend time with people, but their number hasn't changed, they only have more options with today's technology. But there are still far more people, introverted or extroverted, who do socialize with each other at least to some degree, either simply by communicating or through activities and competitions. And pool can still be one of those activities.

Even in my area, I haven't seen a lot of empty tables. And many of those players were in fact younger than me. The interest isn't dead. But the fact remains that the tables themselves keep slowly disappearing. It's not about not wanting to play pool, it's more about not being exposed to it in the first place due to the number of places owning the tables shrinking. Even us established pool players have a hard time finding a place with a table of acceptable quality which isn't crowded.

To conclude, it truly does feel like pool is fading into obscurity, but it also feels like it shouldn't be happening. It hasn't "lost the battle with modern activities", because they weren't in the same category in the first place. People still like it and enjoy it, both casuals and serious players. If we just keep the casual player base alive and expanding, some of the more interested and talented ones would naturally rise into more advanced layers of the pool world.
 
Pool rooms are closing because it’s expensive to run. Tables take up a lot of real estate and you can easily have upwards to 6-9k for rent and maybe lower in some certain locations. Also, in my opinion pool is something you play when you drink and I’ve noticed an increase in micro-breweries and beer bars that sell the boutique beers. You’re not getting that at a pool room.

It could be other factors too. There use to be tons of pool hall in my area but many closed down as well.
 
Btw I’ve gone good at the game and not good enough to make money off. No career so I am sort of ashamed when people ask why I’m so good. I tell them I wasted a lot of time in these places. At the end of the day it’s not a talent I have. It’s just years of playing and I’m losing the love of the game.

It also doesn’t help that pool time in my area has exceeded minimum wage. When I was on minimum wage 20 years ago, the height of my pool playing, it was below minimum wage for table time. My local room is at 15 plus an hour.
 
American pool is dying, but Chinese 8 ball and even 3 cushion to an extent are picking up. I'm not sure about snooker, but it's clearly holding healthy even if it isn't growung.

All those games have 1 thing in common, they don't have that "hustler" stigmata. That stigmata has hurt American pool more than anythigrowing. I think people are finally waking up to that, but to recover from that will require many traditions to be sacrificed.

Every new league you see pop up just wants to continue on without changing that stigmata first, which doesn't address the issue.

Go read the first post here, it's basically a list of everything about American pool that keeps it decadent. Pay attention to the term "jar", is that really something you should have to worry about regardless if you gamble or not... but this is the shit that people with families will worry about.

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=511159

I guess you could say that American pool isn't dying, but being murdered by degenerate gamblers who while making a life for themselves, were not aware that they were destroying the game at the same time. The sad part is that there was only a very few that could ever "hustle" as a real living, so not only were the non-gamblers being punished, but so was the mass majority of gamblers. The entire game, destroyed by a select few.

I would like to add that even though it was these types, it isn't exactly fair to blame them exclusively. As far as I'm aware, there has never been gambling regulations specifically for pool, so the exceptional "hustlers" never really had a choice.
 
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It also doesn’t help that pool time in my area has exceeded minimum wage. When I was on minimum wage 20 years ago, the height of my pool playing, it was below minimum wage for table time. My local room is at 15 plus an hour.

Amen and agreed that's an issue. Double edged sword = charge enough to stay in business and be able to afford playing. No doubt bar boxes and league play are where the money is these days. I noted my local hall added a very nice digital juke box, it's wonderful and sounds great but 2 1/2 hours of songs runs ya $20.00. I am OK with that and they don't serve any food, we don't drink.
 
Amen and agreed that's an issue. Double edged sword = charge enough to stay in business and be able to afford playing. No doubt bar boxes and league play are where the money is these days. I noted my local hall added a very nice digital juke box, it's wonderful and sounds great but 2 1/2 hours of songs runs ya $20.00. I am OK with that and they don't serve any food, we don't drink.

I think expensive table time is what's going to kill most pool halls around here and the model is not to make money off pool but make money off food and drinks so I don't know why they are charging $15 plus an hour. I'm trying to put myself in their shoes...you work one hour just to get an hour of pool and I see why people tend to stay away and factor in food and drinks it can be one of the most expensive nights for entertainment and ranks it up there with bowling alleys, another waste of money.
Back in the day I can kill a lot of time with $20 with cheap sets.

I haven't paid for pool in years and get free pool time but I pay when I bring friends there. I just don't play anymore since it's all the same faces and same speed. I'm probably the last generation of players since I'm one of the youngest in there and I just turned 40. There are about 3 or 4 guys that play religiously that are younger than I am.

So either you are young with no family or you are retired and have time to kill then you won't see popularity grow. I find the young and married with kids are not coming out to play.
 
I think expensive table time is what's going to kill most pool halls around here and the model is not to make money off pool but make money off food and drinks so I don't know why they are charging $15 plus an hour. I'm trying to put myself in their shoes...you work one hour just to get an hour of pool and I see why people tend to stay away and factor in food and drinks it can be one of the most expensive nights for entertainment and ranks it up there with bowling alleys, another waste of money.
Back in the day I can kill a lot of time with $20 with cheap sets.

I haven't paid for pool in years and get free pool time but I pay when I bring friends there. I just don't play anymore since it's all the same faces and same speed. I'm probably the last generation of players since I'm one of the youngest in there and I just turned 40. There are about 3 or 4 guys that play religiously that are younger than I am.

So either you are young with no family or you are retired and have time to kill then you won't see popularity grow. I find the young and married with kids are not coming out to play.

I've heard owners say there's no money in food. Drinks there is some. But drinking habits have changed a bit over the years too. Is the $15.00/hr table time or per person?
 
I think it just needs a spark like what happened to poker around the 2000's. A movie or documentary or new player that's really exciting.
 
I'm not so sure. The business model of the poolroom is certainly looking less and less sustainable and there may well be some consolidation in the coming years. The poolroom owners still haven't done nearly enough to attract young players, and this problem is snowballing, not waning, making one wonder whether the next generation of players will play almost exclusively in bars and bar leagues rather than poolrooms, with the exception being poolrooms having a liquor license.

Pro pool, however, despite the setbacks of 2020, may be undergoing a bit of a renaissance. In 2018, the International 9-ball was added to the world pool calendar. In 2019, two major WPA events were added to the calendar. First, the WPA Players Championship (since renamed, I believe, the Diamond Open) was added and then then the WPA World 10-ball championship was resurrected. Also in 2019, the US Open 9-ball took a giant step forward under the direction of Matchroom, its new event producer. The elite men have more and more events in which to play that offer substantial prize money, an encouraging trend.

Are there grounds for concern? Yes. On another level, though, pool is slowly becoming a slightly more lucrative career and there's some positive growth at the pro level.

I'd think it highly premature to start sounding the death knell for pool.
 
Pool is flourishing globally.

Chinese 8 ball has the biggest participation in the history of billiards.

Pool is alive and well in my Canadian city. I play in in 3 leagues and a nice mixture of people. Similar demographics to golf. Fortunately no admiration for gambling, getting drunk, etc. That lifestyle is seen as pathetic....losers from high school who at 60 likely can’t run two blocks without gasping for breath and taking out a cigarette.

Friends I play billiards with are the same social group that we hike with, play slowpitch, cycle, ball hockey, take dance lessons with.
 
I think it just needs a spark like what happened to poker around the 2000's. A movie or documentary or new player that's really exciting.

Well a move always drive intrest in thing. Be it Pool, SEAL Teams, Top Gun help the Navy's Pilot Recruiting program.

Th truth is most Millinals are into ELECTRONIX, and computer games. Believe it or not some High School have E-Game Teams, even College are getting in on this new sport.

I have 4 step grandsons, I have taken them all to play pool. It's not their thing, they are into electronic gaming.

Kids who use the Boyz & Gwils Clubs will stand in line to get on a computer, wait their turn.

Pool Tables don't get much use.

Times have changed. It called progress, or regress. Pool, is a great game, but the younger generation, has little interest.

JMHO
 
It is a very good game that involves skill and strategy and creativity.

The new generation can use a bit of all 3.
 
I think part of the problem is that pool is competing against so many other forms of entertainment, many of which don't require people to leave their house. $15 an hour per table seems pretty reasonable and is probably not too far off from inflation adjusted pricing from my youth.

But there's nothing that says it can't be rekindled, particularly if it becomes a hipster trend (as bowling alleys were for a while there). Hell, I never thought vinyl records would come back in the age of digital media, but it has has a bit of resurgence and now they outsell CDs (which are dying). I guess you never know.
 
I think we also have to factor in the cost to play this game. We need to buy cue, cases and anything that may start an initial investment and with any initial investment it can lead to more players playing.

If you're investing $500 for equipment then you know they are going to come and play.
 
A friend of mine will open his third Chicago pool room this year - and they’ll all make money. How? By catering to younger players and families who come for recreation, drinks and good food in a nice setting. Even some live entertainment some nights.

I don’t think pool is dying - I think it’s changing.

pj
chgo
 
Pool halls are analogous to movie theaters.

Cinema makes most of the $ (profits) from their concession sales.

Pool halls make most of their revenue from counter sales (food & drink).

Movie ticket sales & hrly pool table rates are woefully inadequate to generate a profit.
 
I think we also have to factor in the cost to play this game. We need to buy cue, cases and anything that may start an initial investment and with any initial investment it can lead to more players playing.

If you're investing $500 for equipment then you know they are going to come and play.

I mean, you can spend that much, but does one really need to spend $500 to get started? It seems the cheap cues today are much better than they were when I was a kid.

I bought a couple of Lucky cues for the kids to use as bangers and they seem a lot nicer than the cheap cues did 30 years ago. Put a better tip and in you're in the game for under $75. And I'm sure there are other good options as well for similar money.

Compared to most sports/hobbies, pool can have a pretty cheap cost of entry.
 
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