Revo and Cynergy are both filament-wound. Very similar construction methods. The fibers are laid in varying directions known as the bias in order to get the correct flex/rigidity.
IS REVO 12.4 THE LOWEST DEFLECTION CARBON SHAFT??
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I can tell you the new Cuetec 11.8 is a BEAST, very low deflection and stiff with super Feedback, I'll not more use my 12.5 Cuetec which was played hard in 18 Month (5 times a Week and I loved them).
RG
RG
Makes sense to me. The deal of the single threads running the length of the shaft didn't make sense to me, the reason I seemed a little skeptical of that information. With NC the bias can vary pretty easily in a single layer, seeming to offer a lot of potential.
Carbon fiber makes sense for newcomers to pool and I doubt we see much wood in a decade or two.
Hu
The beauty of cf shafts is they're kinda like baking a cake. You can make the same shaft over-n-over by using same recipe. Also, by changing fiber strength and biasing you can literally make any flex profile you want. Southwest stiff to old-school Meucci whippy are easily doable with cf.
Another benefit of CF I believe, those very stiff and very whippy shafts may be identical on the outside. We are already seeing very long "pro taper" sections of shafts. With the further acceptance of CF I think we are going to see some shaft designs not seen since days of yore.
No idea of the brand or model but I used to play with a cue with a six inch warp in it or something like that. It was one piece glued together but the pro taper went all the way to the joint! The shaft was probably countersunk into the joint and there was a major step there. A CF version of that with an extension would let you cover pretty much all of a nine foot table without a bridge. Not saying it is the best of ideas to have a two foot plus bridge but that would mean the shot itself was short.
Hu
You could make a cf shaft 7mm and stiff as all get out if you wanted to. Really no limits as to the profiles and flexes.
I bought a revo 11.8 shaft, because I've mostly used thin shafts in the 11mm to 11.5mm range with great success.
Well, lol.... I kept it one day and sent it back the next morning.
The revo 11.8 is to damn low in deflection for my taste.
It had a pivot point of 400 feer...lol.
It was way lower than the revo 12.4 and the 12.9.
With the 12.4 revo I can use mostly backhand English for side spin adjustment.
With the 11.8, I had to use fronthand adjustment and I am not willing to relearn for yet another playing shaft.
IMO, predator went to far with the low deflection.
I know there is no such thing as a zero deflection cue, but I swear, that 11.8 revo sure did feel that way.
When I first switched to LD shafts, it took me 6 months to adjust.
The 11.8 revo is WAAAYYY lower in deflection than the rogue, cynergy and all the other custom shafts I've hit....by far.
Like I said though, it's just to low.
Well, lol.... I kept it one day and sent it back the next morning.
The revo 11.8 is to damn low in deflection for my taste.
It had a pivot point of 400 feer...lol.
It was way lower than the revo 12.4 and the 12.9.
With the 12.4 revo I can use mostly backhand English for side spin adjustment.
With the 11.8, I had to use fronthand adjustment and I am not willing to relearn for yet another playing shaft.
IMO, predator went to far with the low deflection.
I know there is no such thing as a zero deflection cue, but I swear, that 11.8 revo sure did feel that way.
When I first switched to LD shafts, it took me 6 months to adjust.
The 11.8 revo is WAAAYYY lower in deflection than the rogue, cynergy and all the other custom shafts I've hit....by far.
Like I said though, it's just to low.
what kind of a pin is it for? I have the hot running wants for one. A proto-type 11.8 was a fine snooker shaft.
Hu
Hey Hu
.It was a radial pin, white vault plate, weighed 3.95 oz and had the factory predator victory tip.
I received it around 10:30 am and had predator on the phone to return it by 2:00 pm that same day.
I took it to the UPS store first thing next morning.
I couldn't wait to get it, and then I couldn't send it back fast enough.
Hu, do you use front hand or parallel shift to adjust for spin? If so, you would love it. If not, well, you would hate it with a purple passion like I did.
It had a pivot point back toward the joint.
It has a taper just like the z3, but is WWWAAAYYY lower in deflection.
Also, for a 11.8 mm shaft, that thing is pretty stiff.
It had everything I love about a shaft, but ....again...lol... it's just to low deflection.
I still can't believe
how low it was.I never thought I would encounter a shaft that was to low.
I ended ordering another 12.4 revo and another z3.
If I knew you were interested in the shaft, I would have sent it your way.
Have a good one buddy!
Jeff
Jeff,Hey Hu
It was a radial pin, white vault plate, weighed 3.95 oz and had the factory predator victory tip.
I received it around 10:30 am and had predator on the phone to return it by 2:00 pm that same day.
I took it to the UPS store first thing next morning.
I couldn't wait to get it, and then I couldn't send it back fast enough.
Hu, do you use front hand or parallel shift to adjust for spin? If so, you would love it. If not, well, you would hate it with a purple passion like I did.
It had a pivot point back toward the joint.
It has a taper just like the z3, but is WWWAAAYYY lower in deflection.
Also, for a 11.8 mm shaft, that thing is pretty stiff.
It had everything I love about a shaft, but ....again...lol... it's just to low deflection.
I still can't believe
I never thought I would encounter a shaft that was to low.
I ended ordering another 12.4 revo and another z3.
If I knew you were interested in the shaft, I would have sent it your way.
Have a good one buddy!
Jeff
Thanks for the kind words and the thoughts! I had a fondness for big G-10 pins and standardized all my stuff at three-eighth, ten. Starting to regret that now!
I generally parallel shift for side spin. This requires a little adjustment to aim so one way of looking at it is that I angle a little bit too. It was funny, after a couple of decades off I couldn't remember if I used a parallel shift or BHE. Both work of course with the proper adjustments but I found I liked the parallel shift better. As I got back in stroke I believe that is what I used as a younger man. I tried FHE for a few weeks and liked it. I might use it as my primary way of applying side if I used it enough to set my bridge hand down in place and didn't need a reset.
After I wore a little surface off of my Cynergy shaft there is nothing wrong with it. I guess mostly a case of newtoyitis. It's all JoeyA's fault. Every time I try something of his I like it better than what I have!
Hu
Well, Hu.. since you parallel shift and/or use FHE the EXTREMELY low deflection 11.8 revo would suit you fine.
The worst part of that shaft to me was mid range to long shots with slower speeds. I would have to adjust out from the ball to keep it from swerving into the object ball.
It forced me to shoot harder than I wanted to because cues deflection rates widen with faster speeds. Heck, when I shot firm the cb seemed to go completely straight to the contact point...damndest thing I ever experienced.
I too love big pins, eventhough it can be a pain sometimes to find certain shafts to fit. Unless of course we were talking about custom cue builder's. Seems they always work with big pins.
Lol... Joey keeping you busy switching up equipment huh..
Sometimes new equipment is just enough to renew our interest. Eventhough, at times switching changing equipment can lead to headaches.
If I would have kept the revo 11.8...OMG I would have lost what's left of my hair. Not to mention the stroke I would've had.
Talk to you later,
Jeff