is the any way to build up a tennon?

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I have a shaft that I removed the ferrule from. the tennon is alot smaller than 5/16". I would like to repace the ferrulle with a a 5/16" ID ferrule.
is there any way to make the tennon thicker. I was thinking maybe using epoxy to build it up. not sure how that would work. any suggestions? anyone ever encounter this?
 
seven said:
I have a shaft that I removed the ferrule from. the tennon is alot smaller than 5/16". I would like to repace the ferrulle with a a 5/16" ID ferrule.
is there any way to make the tennon thicker. I was thinking maybe using epoxy to build it up. not sure how that would work. any suggestions? anyone ever encounter this?
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Face off at the shoulder, then drill the end of the shaft 3'' deep to accept a dowel. Epoxy a dowel about 4.25" long into the hole, then trim the extra length off the new tenon. Put lengthwise grooves on the dowel at the end that will be in the shaft to relieve hydraulic pressure of the epoxy.

Tracy
 
seven said:
I have a shaft that I removed the ferrule from. the tennon is alot smaller than 5/16". I would like to repace the ferrulle with a a 5/16" ID ferrule.
is there any way to make the tennon thicker. I was thinking maybe using epoxy to build it up. not sure how that would work. any suggestions? anyone ever encounter this?
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Glue a solid piece of wood into your ferrule, then bore that out to the size of the tenon you have. :D
 
I like both ideas. I'm kinda partial to sheldon's idea because it doesnt modify the shaft. just the ferrule. sheldon....have you done this before? does it hold up? thanks for your responses. :)
 
I like Sheldon's idea better than using a new tenon also. I think building the tenon up as you suggested with two ton epoxy or epoxy stick putty would be good also. But much easier is to just use a ferrule with a smaller ID hole. Just curious why you don't want to do that?
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
seven said:
I like both ideas. I'm kinda partial to sheldon's idea because it doesnt modify the shaft. just the ferrule. sheldon....have you done this before? does it hold up? thanks for your responses. :)
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I have not had to do this, but I think it will work for you. If you can, bore the hole in the ferrule with a very small boring bar in a lathe, a drill bit may heat it up a bit and comprimise your glue.
 
Why not just make a "dummy ferrule" out of scrap maple, glue it up to the existing tenon, then turn it down to the size you want, a la thin wall joints?

Never tried it, but it seems sensible to me?

Thanks,

Jon
 
BiG_JoN said:
Why not just make a "dummy ferrule" out of scrap maple, glue it up to the existing tenon, then turn it down to the size you want, a la thin wall joints?

Never tried it, but it seems sensible to me?

Thanks,

Jon
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That's why having ferrule rods is not a bad idea. :p
You're gonna let the ferrule's thread ride on a thin maple glued to itself and to the thin tenon?
Heck, might as well fill up the ferrule with a slow setting epoxy that's actually harder than the ferrule itself. Bore it and thread it. :D
 
Hey, he didn't say we was gonna thread it on, so that is why i gave that idea Mr. Smarty Pants. He said a 5/16" I.D. ferrule...

Thanks,

Jon

P.S. Does your email still suck? We may need to discuss rings...
 
BiG_JoN said:
Hey, he didn't say we was gonna thread it on, so that is why i gave that idea Mr. Smarty Pants. He said a 5/16" I.D. ferrule...

Thanks,

Jon

P.S. Does your email still suck? We may need to discuss rings...
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My bad.
My e-mail is good. :)
 
cueman said:
I like Sheldon's idea better than using a new tenon also. I think building the tenon up as you suggested with two ton epoxy or epoxy stick putty would be good also. But much easier is to just use a ferrule with a smaller ID hole. Just curious why you don't want to do that?
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
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thanks for all the good ideas guys. Cueman. reason why I dont use a ferrule with a smaller hole is because all the ferrulles that I have are pre drilled. I have ferrule rod, but is is defectitive. (little black marks in the materiel) I havent had a chance to return it nor order new rod from anywhere else. I know you get your rod from Prather, have you ever had any problems with their rod? BTW.. what do you think is the smallest diameter tenon without risk of breakage? again thanks to everyone for your response. now I have a few options to consider. :)
 
JoeyInCali said:
That's why having ferrule rods is not a bad idea. :p
You're gonna let the ferrule's thread ride on a thin maple glued to itself and to the thin tenon?
Heck, might as well fill up the ferrule with a slow setting epoxy that's actually harder than the ferrule itself. Bore it and thread it. :D
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Having ferrule rod is a good idea. (Thanks, Joey) I had a customer give me his snooker shaft with a split ferrule. I was surprised to find that the tenon was only 1/4" diameter. It makes sense, since the shafts are so small. I made a ferrule for him. I've also, faced off a shaft, centered drilled the shaft, and epoxed a new tenon. I've had people give me a shaft with the ferrule, and tenon completely broken off. I've had to do this a few times.
 
seven said:
thanks for all the good ideas guys. Cueman. reason why I dont use a ferrule with a smaller hole is because all the ferrulles that I have are pre drilled. I have ferrule rod, but is is defectitive. (little black marks in the materiel) I havent had a chance to return it nor order new rod from anywhere else. I know you get your rod from Prather, have you ever had any problems with their rod? BTW.. what do you think is the smallest diameter tenon without risk of breakage? again thanks to everyone for your response. now I have a few options to consider. :)
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I do not buy my rod from Prather. I have bought ferrules and ferrule rods from them in the past when I was buying small quantities, but now buy elsewhere since I sell them now also. I really don't like less than a 1/4" tenon. I can't believe I never asked you what size the tenon is now? What type of ferrule are you planning to put on? I am assuming linen based from your black dots comment. If your tenon is much over 1/4" then thread it and screw a ferrule on it. My tenon threader is made to cut threads on tenons between .280 and .285 inches. And 5/16" tight thread ferrule like I make screw on with no problem. If you have .280" diameter to work with then threading a ferrule on is the way to go.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
cueman said:
I do not buy my rod from Prather. I have bought ferrules and ferrule rods from them in the past when I was buying small quantities, but now buy elsewhere since I sell them now also. I really don't like less than a 1/4" tenon. I can't believe I never asked you what size the tenon is now? What type of ferrule are you planning to put on? I am assuming linen based from your black dots comment. If your tenon is much over 1/4" then thread it and screw a ferrule on it. My tenon threader is made to cut threads on tenons between .280 and .285 inches. And 5/16" tight thread ferrule like I make screw on with no problem. If you have .280" diameter to work with then threading a ferrule on is the way to go.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
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Thanks for the reminder, Chris. I need to order a tenon threader. Do you have a picture? I don't build cues, and most of the repairs I do are unthreaded tenons, but I'd like to have one for the ocassional emergency. I'd ask you how it works, but I suspect that if you didn't like it, you wouldn't sell it. :D LOL
 
stickman said:
Thanks for the reminder, Chris. I need to order a tenon threader. Do you have a picture? I don't build cues, and most of the repairs I do are unthreaded tenons, but I'd like to have one for the ocassional emergency. I'd ask you how it works, but I suspect that if you didn't like it, you wouldn't sell it. :D LOL
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Don't have any pictures. Sorry. It has a brass cutting head that spins on a stainless rod that plugs in your tailstock so it is self-aligning. Just cut the tenon to .280" round the end slightly, put a little cue wax on tenon and slowly rotate it on, breaking it loose every couple of rounds so as not to jam. That is how I put all my ferrules on my pool cues. I put my carom ferrules on different as the ferrule is only 1/2" long and tenon diameter is 1/4".
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
cueman said:
Don't have any pictures. Sorry. It has a brass cutting head that spins on a stainless rod that plugs in your tailstock so it is self-aligning. Just cut the tenon to .280" round the end slightly, put a little cue wax on tenon and slowly rotate it on, breaking it loose every couple of rounds so as not to jam. That is how I put all my ferrules on my pool cues. I put my carom ferrules on different as the ferrule is only 1/2" long and tenon diameter is 1/4".
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
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Thanks, Chris. We'll order Thurs. :)
 
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