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Phenolic is out. Is the Ice Breaker Cue Tip BCA legal?
Phenolic is out. Is the Ice Breaker Cue Tip BCA legal?
Is the Ice Breaker Cue Tip BCA legal
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Try the Samsara tips ..
I'm curious, how strictly is this policed? Are players required to check their equipment with an official before a match? Or is it an honor system? Not that I'm planning on cheating, I won't even be there. Just curious.
At the big event in Vegas, it might get spot checked. The thing about it is, the sound is going to be the give away. You can do things like a phenolic ferrule with a post cut on the end. Take a tip and cut a counterbore into the glue side so that the tip fits onto the post. It is a legal tip, because its all leather, but the phenolic post gives the tip a "solid" core so to speak.
Chuck
does that apply to jump cues, too?
More specifically, the Ice Breaker, as well as any other tip that is not completely leather (adhesive between layers of a layered tip excepted), is not legal on any cue used to execute a break shot.
That is to say, you may not put a non-leather tip on a "playing cue" and then use it to break, justifying your action by saying it is not a "break cue".
The rule currently does not include jump cues, or the application of a non-leather tip to any shot other than a break shot.
Currently, enforcement is planned to be the same as any other rule. A referee will not address the issue unless they have been called to the table by a player.
However, that is subject to change, and given the level of interest in this issue at the National Office, it is conceivable that referees may be instructed to be alert for and investigate the (usually) very distinct sound of a phenolic tip being used for a break. No final decision has been made as of this posting.
It is also distinctly possible that, given the publicity and interest in the issue, that the use of a non-leather tip to break may be treated as UC and incur a more severe penalty than just a ball in hand foul and removal of the cue from play. Again - no need to freak out over this! No final decisions have been made yet. Will keep all posted of developments, if any.
Buddy Eick
BCAPL National Head Referee
BCAPL Director of Referee Training
Technical Editor, BCAPL Rule Book
bcapl_referee@cox.net
Find the Official Rules of the BCA Pool League here:
http://www.playbca.com/Downloads/Rulebook/CompleteRulebook/tabid/372/Default.aspx
* The contents of this post refer to BCA Pool League (BCAPL) Rules only. The BCAPL National Office has authorized me to act in an official capacity regarding questions about BCAPL Rules matters in public forums.
* Neither I nor any BCAPL referee make any policy decisions regarding BCAPL Rules. Any and all decisions, interpretations, or Applied Rulings are made by the BCAPL National Office and are solely their responsibility. BCAPL referees are enforcers of rules, not legislators. BCAPL Rules 9.5.3 and 9.5.4 apply.
* No reference to, inference concerning, or comment on any other set of rules (WPA, APA, VNEA, TAP, or any other set of rules, public or private) is intended or should be derived from this post unless specifically stated.
* For General Rules, 8-Ball, 9-Ball, 10-Ball, and 14.1 Continuous: there is no such thing as "BCA Rules" other than in the sense that the Billiard Congress of America (BCA) publishes various rules, including the World Pool-Billiard Association's "World Standardized Rules" for those games. The BCA does not edit, nor is responsible for the content of, the World Standardized Rules. The Official Rules of the BCAPL is a separate and independent set of rules and, to avoid confusion, should not be referred to as "BCA Rules".
* Since 2004, there is no such thing as a "BCA Referee". The BCA no longer has any program to train, certify or sanction billiards referees or officials.
* The BCAPL has no association with the Billiard Congress of America other than in their capacity as a member of the BCA.
* The BCAPL has not addressed every imaginable rules issue, nor will it ever likely be able to, as evidenced by the seemingly endless situations that people dream up or that (more frequently) actually happen. If I do not have the answer to a question I will tell you so, then I will get a ruling from the BCAPL National Office and get back to you as soon as I can. If deemed necessary, the BCAPL will then add the ruling to the "Applied Rulings" section of The Official Rules of the BCA Pool League.
That is to say, you may not put a non-leather tip on a "playing cue" and then use it to break, justifying your action by saying it is not a "break cue".
The rule currently does not include jump cues, or the application of a non-leather tip to any shot other than a break shot.
Currently, enforcement is planned to be the same as any other rule. A referee will not address the issue unless they have been called to the table by a player.
However, that is subject to change, and given the level of interest in this issue at the National Office, it is conceivable that referees may be instructed to be alert for and investigate the (usually) very distinct sound of a phenolic tip being used for a break. No final decision has been made as of this posting.
It is also distinctly possible that, given the publicity and interest in the issue, that the use of a non-leather tip to break may be treated as UC and incur a more severe penalty than just a ball in hand foul and removal of the cue from play. Again - no need to freak out over this! No final decisions have been made yet. Will keep all posted of developments, if any.
Buddy Eick
BCAPL National Head Referee
BCAPL Director of Referee Training
Technical Editor, BCAPL Rule Book
bcapl_referee@cox.net
Find the Official Rules of the BCA Pool League here:
http://www.playbca.com/Downloads/Rulebook/CompleteRulebook/tabid/372/Default.aspx
* The contents of this post refer to BCA Pool League (BCAPL) Rules only. The BCAPL National Office has authorized me to act in an official capacity regarding questions about BCAPL Rules matters in public forums.
* Neither I nor any BCAPL referee make any policy decisions regarding BCAPL Rules. Any and all decisions, interpretations, or Applied Rulings are made by the BCAPL National Office and are solely their responsibility. BCAPL referees are enforcers of rules, not legislators. BCAPL Rules 9.5.3 and 9.5.4 apply.
* No reference to, inference concerning, or comment on any other set of rules (WPA, APA, VNEA, TAP, or any other set of rules, public or private) is intended or should be derived from this post unless specifically stated.
* For General Rules, 8-Ball, 9-Ball, 10-Ball, and 14.1 Continuous: there is no such thing as "BCA Rules" other than in the sense that the Billiard Congress of America (BCA) publishes various rules, including the World Pool-Billiard Association's "World Standardized Rules" for those games. The BCA does not edit, nor is responsible for the content of, the World Standardized Rules. The Official Rules of the BCAPL is a separate and independent set of rules and, to avoid confusion, should not be referred to as "BCA Rules".
* Since 2004, there is no such thing as a "BCA Referee". The BCA no longer has any program to train, certify or sanction billiards referees or officials.
* The BCAPL has no association with the Billiard Congress of America other than in their capacity as a member of the BCA.
* The BCAPL has not addressed every imaginable rules issue, nor will it ever likely be able to, as evidenced by the seemingly endless situations that people dream up or that (more frequently) actually happen. If I do not have the answer to a question I will tell you so, then I will get a ruling from the BCAPL National Office and get back to you as soon as I can. If deemed necessary, the BCAPL will then add the ruling to the "Applied Rulings" section of The Official Rules of the BCA Pool League.
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Try the breack&jump tips from madman tips, this tips will be at Joe Blackburn both in Las Vegas,for $20.00 each including intalation,in L A. at Al Romero shop same price.......
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Try the breack&jump tips from madman tips, this tips will be at Joe Blackburn both in Las Vegas,for $20.00 each including intalation,in L A. at Al Romero shop same price.......
I would love to try one out .
Can you send me one ?
The "Madman" tips by Juan Rios are the nuts. They are all leather, and are almost as hard as phenolic. I use one on my jump break cue. I have no problem jumping with it, and it gives you more control than phenolic tips.
They have also been approved by Bill Stock of the BCA.
They have also been approved by Bill Stock of the BCA.
I have changed alot of phenolic tips for customers lately who are going to bca,i think you guys are going to have a hard time deciding what is legal and what is not,i recommend SAMSARA to them but some dont like the higher cost,i have also made some of my own tips that are a lot harder through different tricks i use but honestly its going to be very hard to tell the difference in my opinion.Im sure most cue repair guys have enough knowledge to be able to make a leather tip play any way they want.eg milk duds so i hope you have some way to tell consistantly if they are leather or not
Try the breack&jump tips from madman tips, this tips will be at Joe Blackburn both in Las Vegas,for $20.00 each including intalation,in L A. at Al Romero shop same price.......
Madman tips rule :thumbup:
Try the breack&jump tips from madman tips, this tips will be at Joe Blackburn both in Las Vegas,for $20.00 each including intalation,in L A. at Al Romero shop same price.......
Where can I find information on these tips?
I just had my phenolic converted to a leather tip.
just sand the tip flat and put on a super hard leather tip....and then shave the tip down untill it is super thin....
I have been using it that way for months and it works perfect...and it breaks down to a jump cue that is super easy to jump with.
just sand the tip flat and put on a super hard leather tip....and then shave the tip down untill it is super thin....
I have been using it that way for months and it works perfect...and it breaks down to a jump cue that is super easy to jump with.