Is there a general instructor consensus?
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I prefer the solid maple shafts that come directly from the cuemaker. I also like ivory ferrules though I do like a smaller diameter tip (12mm).
It works for me.
I think it's an individual thing. It's not like buying a new LD shaft is going to turn you into a world beater overnight. Some people like them and some don't.
Rufus is correct. Shaft type, joint type, tip brand, cue brand, all individual preferences. I recently got a Fury Evolution cue with 2 shafts, one solid maple and one laminated LD shaft. I tend to lean toward the solid shaft, simply because it is what I am most familiar with, and required little if any adjustment on my part.
Understand, instructors are just like everyone else when it comes to equipment...we all have our own preferences. We tend to focus more on what a player does, not what he does it with.
Steve
Understand, instructors are just like everyone else when it comes to equipment...we all have our own preferences. We tend to focus more on what a player does, not what he does it with.
Steve
because LD style shafts require less adjustment of aim to account for CB squirt they could be considered to be a straighter shooting piece of equipment.
There is no consensus as a normal shaft, laminated LD or solid maple LD shaft all have their benefits in certain areas and faults in others.
I liken it to the comparison of the Piston Style (vector) stroke and the Pendulum stroke.
Both the pendulum and piston can 100% get the job done just as well.....its really up to what the player likes, THO the pendulum IS the more simple mechanical and repeatable movement.
If both are done right then there is no difference as to how they accomplish the goal.
If your more comfy with a normal shaft, then thats what you should use. If its a aftermarket LD then FINE, or maybe your like me and you make your own solid maple LD shaft.
It doesn't matter at the end of the day b/c we can adjust if we want to with out issue.
If you like to spin the rock alot i think a regular shaft is better, for someone like myself that when using english its still close to the core of the ball I find the LD shafts of more benefit.
ITS COMPLETELY ARBITRARY THO......that should be the general consensus.
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There is no consensus as a normal shaft, laminated LD or solid maple LD shaft all have their benefits in certain areas and faults in others.
I liken it to the comparison of the Piston Style (vector) stroke and the Pendulum stroke.
Both the pendulum and piston can 100% get the job done just as well.....its really up to what the player likes, THO the pendulum IS the more simple mechanical and repeatable movement.
If both are done right then there is no difference as to how they accomplish the goal.
If your more comfy with a normal shaft, then thats what you should use. If its a aftermarket LD then FINE, or maybe your like me and you make your own solid maple LD shaft.
It doesn't matter at the end of the day b/c we can adjust if we want to with out issue.
If you like to spin the rock alot i think a regular shaft is better, for someone like myself that when using english its still close to the core of the ball I find the LD shafts of more benefit.
ITS COMPLETELY ARBITRARY THO......that should be the general consensus.
-Grey Ghost-
Really? That is interesting, because I like the standard shafts better for games that I'm not spinning the ball a lot (barbox 8-ball, straight pool) but I like the LD for 9&10 ball where I need to spin more and big-table games like 1-pocket. That's what makes AZB great, lots of perspectives to digest. Thanks.
I was mainly referring to personal styles of play in general and not necessarily in regards to differing games.
My statement was really just partially explained.........you see many players that stick to the bars and league use quite a bit of spin in regards to tip placement, this is probably b/c often on the BB the CB's are heavier and the cloth is slower(which is often more of a felt than cloth) they shoot softer and spin the CB all over, more of a gyroscopic style of play as opposed to linear.
LD shafts are generally more HOT than normal shafts........meaning they POP/Drive the CB just a bit more since less energy is lost in the shot to reverberation.
B/c of this its harder in general imop to play a "touch" game with most of the LD shafts..........unless you use a softer ferrulle and tip which could lessen the hotness of the shaft. (Hillbillys cue is like that, softer ferrule and tip so he has the touch he wants)
I don't really think my personal player (very stiff and solid maple LD) is my cup of tea on BB's that are very fast such as the diamonds in say 9 ball. Its the NUTS on the bigtable tho as the extra distance is more in tune with the range of the cue.
I don't use a buttload of spin as the way i play position, which allows me to make more accurate shots since when i do use it its usually close to the core of the CB.
I guess I aim small/ Miss small with the LD and in a way a normal shaft is aim big/miss big especially on power shots. So you don't see alot of players with uber whippy shafts really stroking the hell out of the balls b/c theres too much squirt (unless your earl lol), and on the smaller tables you don't need as much power anyway.
So if one likes to spin the rock alot and plays on a 7' table the majority of the time, IMOP its more likely that he/she will be more in tune with the general run of the mill meucci'esq style cue.
For someone who gains angle and uses less spin I'd have to say an LD is better (but of course its all just personal opinion)
For me its not really about how either pockets the balls its how it makes the CB respond..........like I said my LD is HOT and say my Hueblers are NOT. I much prefer to play onehole with my LD and not the heubler. Not because of accuracy, but because I can hit it slower and get the same results........b/c of the hotness (POP) of the cue, with the huebler I have to swing just a little more to gain the same and that DOES affect accuracy.
Its first and foremost 'WHAT AM I DOING WITH THE ROCK", "Where am I going with the Rock?"
I already have the sequence, and I'm not worried about pocketing the ball really either as I can aim and get in proper alignment.....I just step in set up and its like POW lol.
I NEED TO KNOW where i'm going to put the CB for the next shots.
I want to do as little as possible with the CB as I can in regards to spin.........ESPECIALLY UNNATURAL ENGLISH which is english thats opposing the natural travel of the CB. Fighting the natural rolls of the CB is just making it harder on yourself. Such as I play more of a follow or rolling CB game, some others are always Drawing the rock and eventually if you work against it enough its going to burn you bad.
Thats my opinons on the shafts, one shoots with great touch for soft spin and higher CB squirt, the other aims straighter and shoots usually harder which is a plus on longer or power shots.
So it also comes down to length of table and speed of table(at least for me)
I don't use english to pocket balls (at least not consciously) except in banks, i use english to move whitey.....thats really it except for the inside kill which is a useful shot and comes up often. (tho yes it does come up besides the inside kill)
Of course I'm generalizing somewhat.........I prefer LD, just not aftermarket LD tho there really is nothing wrong with Pred, OB, Tiger......i just rather a solid maple LD.
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