Is there such a thing as the TLAR method?

[SpiderWebComm]

I could describe what I do, but describing how my mind's eye interprets things may not make as much sense to somebody else. System users are knocked, denigrated and degraded because of what they say, not because of what they do or don't do. If you think a person won't be belittled when they talk trash about "feel" players, say how they've been learning this system for years, but can't make a ball in the ocean, of course you'd be wrong. Just like Duckie would be wrong for thinking the same when it's questionable whether or not he can run a rack of anything.

By saying that your system is the best way to aim and that it's infallable("it was the stroke that made me miss", etc), but be backed up by run of the mill APA players and others that have been playing for years, is just trolling for ridicule. Also, by saying that such-and-such is "the best", it's implying that any other way is not as good. Just too much made-up fluff for anyone to be comfortable with.

If you can describe what you do then do it. We'll be the judge whether it makes sense of not. It might be a revolutionary and unique way that somebody never used and turn them into a champ.

Please describe in detail what a "feel" player SEES and DOES. Shooting one ball into another ball to make that ball go into a certain direction or pocket is done by what the eyes tell you to do even for feel players. And if one feel player is twice as good as another feel player for aiming and pocketing the balls, what is he doing or seeing differently. What can a supposed "feel" player do to teach or instruct another player if he can't describe what he sees and does other than "hit a million balls".

Get off the CTE kick or anybody who uses it. Now you're starting the knocking and bashing crap. It's about the TLAR part which can be any way of aiming and visualizing.
Add what you do and see in detail for TLAR. Maybe TLAR will turn into TLER. (That Looks Exactly Right which is the objective of aiming systems)

 

[Pidge]

Good thing none of us aim with our mouth because we ALL do it with our EYES. Just articulate what your EYES are seeing.

If you're having such difficulty understanding what you do and being able to articulate it, how do you know that other aiming systems over complicate things? If that's the case, explain in full detail what the eyes see and how balls are aligned for any other aiming system but you're own. Did it ever occur to you that some of those other methods may actually be more simple than what you do as well as produce more accuracy? So, pick any aiming system you desire and explain it.

Did I just understand you correctly that you said you don't have to aim at all?

No, you didn't understand me. I said it can mostly take away having to aim.

I have writ in the How Do You Aim thread the process I go through when I aim. That process is what I fall back on when I'm having an off day, or if I'm tired. When I'm on my game I simply see the required shot line.

I'm experienced in numerous aiming systems - ghost ball, fractional overlaps, BoB, contact point to contact point, 90/90, CTE, ProOne, SEE aswel as a new system that I have trialed for Ekkes. None of these produce more accuracy when it comes to me, otherwise I'd use them. And none of which are as simple as seeing the shot line. If you can see the required shot line right off the bat, and get your cue onto that line then its simpler and quicker to do that, than say use CTE or SEE to get you onto the line of the shot.

I've never understood American pool when it comes to aiming. We don't have half the BS over here in snooker and English pool as there is here with regards to aiming. Ghost ball and BoB dominate every snooker club up and down the country. If these systems were the be all and end all of aiming surely amateur snooker players would be all over them, right? But no, even with the smaller pocket - ball ratio and much larger tables, GB, BoB and experience rules. Go figure.

 

[Banks]

If you can describe what you do then do it. We'll be the judge whether it makes sense of not. It might be a revolutionary and unique way that somebody never used and turn them into a champ.

Please describe in detail what a "feel" player SEES and DOES. Shooting one ball into another ball to make that ball go into a certain direction or pocket is done by what the eyes tell you to do even for feel players. And if one feel player is twice as good as another feel player for aiming and pocketing the balls, what is he doing or seeing differently. What can a supposed "feel" player do to teach or instruct another player if he can't describe what he sees and does other than "hit a million balls".

Get off the CTE kick or anybody who uses it. Now you're starting the knocking and bashing crap. It's about the TLAR part which can be any way of aiming and visualizing.
Add what you do and see in detail for TLAR. Maybe TLAR will turn into TLER. (That Looks Exactly Right which is the objective of aiming systems)

In detail? I put the ball in the hole.

Get off the "CTE is the bestest" kick and I'll get off the disproving kick.

Give Nobster and Barton a dozen grand and send them to PDX. One is a pool-bar-owning engineer that knows CTE like god and the other was adopted by pros at birth, a road player that gambles every waking hour and practically teaches CTE on his time off. I'm just a bar banger drunk that doesn't know what he's talking about and only started playing 10 years ago.

SHOW ME THE MONEY! :thumbup:

You're the one knocking people that don't use your little aiming system, but you expect everybody to suck up to you? Get off your high horse.

Edit: You're acting like nobody can throw a baseball at a target unless given a system.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

In detail? I put the ball in the hole.

Get off the "CTE is the bestest" kick and I'll get off the disproving kick.

Give Nobster and Barton a dozen grand and send them to PDX. One is an pool-bar-owning engineer that knows CTE like god and the other was adopted by pros at birth, a road player that gambles every waking hour and practically teaches CTE on his time off. I'm just a bar banger drunk that doesn't know what he's talking about and only started playing 10 years ago.

SHOW ME THE MONEY! :thumbup:

You're the one knocking people that don't use your little aiming system, but you expect everybody to suck up to you? Get off your high horse.

Edit: You're acting like nobody can throw a baseball at a target unless given a system.

I never mentioned anything about CTE in this thread, NOTHING. This is about TLAR.
It has nothing to do about throwing a baseball either.

You're the same BANKS you always are which is contentious, argumentative, knocking, looking for a flame war. Ain't gonna happen, dude.

If you can't ADD something to this thread regarding what you do for TLAR or what "feel" players do which you've never done in the other threads about aiming, then stay out of them. You aren't even an APA 1 when it comes to aiming or helping people.
You get an "F" and an APA 0. If you provide nothing (which you don't) you get ignored.
Zeros in life get Zero in return. Adios.

 

[Banks]

I never mentioned anything about CTE in this thread, NOTHING. This is about TLAR.
It has nothing to do about throwing a baseball either.

You're the same BANKS you always are which is contentious, argumentative, knocking, looking for a flame war. Ain't gonna happen, dude.

If you can't ADD something to this thread regarding what you do for TLAR or what "feel" players do which you've never done in the other threads about aiming, then stay out of them. You aren't even an APA 1 when it comes to aiming or helping people.
You get an "F" and an APA 0. If you provide nothing (which you don't) you get ignored.
Zeros in life get Zero in return. Adios.

This is about "feel".

Really? People say their system is perfect and I ask how. They say it will do everything and I say prove it. Knocking? Knocking what? Looking for a flame war.. huh.. I suppose, if that's what you consider calling people out on ridiculous claims.

So, your group can just make up whatever it wants, including about other ways people play, and if anybody doesn't like it, you go off and cry about it.

I'm not an APA 1 when it comes to helping people because I don't try to fill them full of nonsense about something to sell? You're right, all I do is hang out at the bar and ACTUALLY help people. You're nothing but a scammer. I bring nice tables to my area, I help players out, I start leagues and bring in people that don't usually play. What do YOU do, other than post fluff on AZB?

I question your method and you question me.. what a load of crap. Did I expect more? Not really.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

No, you didn't understand me. I said it can mostly take away having to aim.

I've never understood American pool when it comes to aiming. We don't have half the BS over here in snooker and English pool as there is here with regards to aiming.QUOTE]

So what part of visual aiming is maintained and how is it done and what part of visualizing and aiming is discarded if you set up properly to the shot line and have other good fundamentals?

If you're so studied in all of the American methods of aiming and know exactly how they're done, pick any one of them and explain it. How is it that you can't articulate something so simple as what you SEE and VISUALIZE yourself. Even with a shot line balls have to be connected at the proper spot within 1 1/8" on both balls for a cut in either direction from 1 degree to 90 degrees. HOW do you do it and SEE it? (how difficult is this for an expert in his OWN METHOD)? Quit beating around the bush and just post it in detail.

Seems like you'd me much happier on Snooker forums than you would here about pool and how we do it. As long as you're here, why don't you LEARN what and why pool players do instead of telling them they're wrong and Snooker players are right?
Or, just stay entirely on snooker forums. Does that make sense?

 

[nobcitypool]

Sorry your jealous little boy. Don't blame me for you being such a loser. I actually own a construction company, the pool/bar is just a hobby. I've been playing for two years. Give me another year or so and you can put your money, if you have any, where your mouth is. Maybe your Mom will loan you some.

In detail? I put the ball in the hole.

Get off the "CTE is the bestest" kick and I'll get off the disproving kick.

Give Nobster and Barton a dozen grand and send them to PDX. One is a pool-bar-owning engineer that knows CTE like god and the other was adopted by pros at birth, a road player that gambles every waking hour and practically teaches CTE on his time off. I'm just a bar banger drunk that doesn't know what he's talking about and only started playing 10 years ago.

SHOW ME THE MONEY! :thumbup:

You're the one knocking people that don't use your little aiming system, but you expect everybody to suck up to you? Get off your high horse.

Edit: You're acting like nobody can throw a baseball at a target unless given a system.

 

[CJ Wiley]

the 9 Ball looked up, saw that it was Luther (that had shot) and DIVED

That's right, the best "aiming system" is to get down to shoot as if you've already made the shot....it's all about confidence, and understanding how to congruently generate it. This will always take some type of system, either conscious, or subconsciously processed.

Maybe the balls even know who's shooting - there's a story of Luther Lassiter playing an entire tournament without missing a ball.....then, in the last match Luther hung the 9 ball.....the 9 Ball looked up, saw that it was Luther (that had shot) and DIVED into the pocket.

If you can describe what you do then do it. We'll be the judge whether it makes sense of not. It might be a revolutionary and unique way that somebody never used and turn them into a champ.

Please describe in detail what a "feel" player SEES and DOES. Shooting one ball into another ball to make that ball go into a certain direction or pocket is done by what the eyes tell you to do even for feel players. And if one feel player is twice as good as another feel player for aiming and pocketing the balls, what is he doing or seeing differently. What can a supposed "feel" player do to teach or instruct another player if he can't describe what he sees and does other than "hit a million balls".

Get off the CTE kick or anybody who uses it. Now you're starting the knocking and bashing crap. It's about the TLAR part which can be any way of aiming and visualizing.
Add what you do and see in detail for TLAR. Maybe TLAR will turn into TLER. (That Looks Exactly Right which is the objective of aiming systems)