Is this forum losing members, or losing interest?

I miss the days when you still lived in China and had internet problems. Heck I miss the days you purposefully forget to check AZB.

When I was in China I was on AZB every day. Now that I am here in the USA I have other things to do......and AZB doesn't have the same appeal now that most of the really good posters are gone or have severely cut down their posting.

What I don't miss are the anon trollios - like people who use names like billiardmind and such and are never held accountable for their actions.

John, calling you "a loser" is not an ad hominem attack. It is just a factual statement.

Lou: 1
John: 0

Lou: + $10,000
John: - $10,000

Lou Figueroa

Come to OKC and play for $20,000. 10 ahead - one pocket. We have played 18 games of one pocket and it's dead even. Yes you won a single race 9-6 and had to divide the 10k 17 ways. So it's the group +10k with your part being about 2k or so???

Now your group could win 20k more but........when ya got no heart ya got no start.

Most of OKC would back you and put you up in a 5 star hotel if you're playing me. They know I can't beat an APA 2 playing one pocket. You don't even have to have any heart....just don't be a total nit and scared of getting the dead nuts.

I will spell it out for you Twenty Thousand Dollars. Ten Ahead. One Pocket. It's ok if you're scared. You were scared before and you're scared now. Everyone in the country knows you're scared. Even your backers are ashamed of how afraid you are.
 
John, calling you "a loser" is not an ad hominem attack. It is just a factual statement.

Lou: 1
John: 0

Lou: + $10,000
John: - $10,000

Lou Figueroa

Tell me, what is the meaning of the word "Loser"? Is the word even in the dictionary? I do not know, but I do not think it is. It is just a word that mean and nasty people use to put down another person. Calling anyone a "loser" is just wrong in my mind. What is the purpose of calling a person that name? Do you use the word to try to hurt that person, or to try to make yourself feel better (or both)? After reading this, I am betting a lot of you guys will now insult me in some way, or make fun of me. Why act this way? A forum should be a place to discuss things in nice and friendly ways (without using nastiness and negative name calling).
 
I haven't played there in several years but when I was traveling I stopped into The Bank Shot many times and always got a game. One guy I played and beat out of a few even gave me his business card and said he enjoyed playing and to let him know anytime I was in town looking for a game. Nice room.

Lou Figueroa

Yeah, it is a very nice pool hall, and I imagine that any player that stops in there looking for a game will find one. There are always guys hanging out in there (probably just waiting for a guy to come in looking for a game). I just never stay long enough to see any action going on. I do see a lot of 1 pocket games every time I stop in, but have never seen any good 9 ball games going on. I am not really a big fan of 1 pocket (even though I know it is a great game). I would much rather watch a good 9 ball match (or even 8 ball). I wish I knew of good times to go there to see some good action going on. I am relocating to a much closer location (Germantown), so will be able to visit Bank Shot much more often. They have the best rates in town too for pool (only $4 per hour).
 
Lol, only those that really knew me as a kid should be calling me "Kid". You can just call me Wonder Bread, or Boy Wonder, lol.

I understand what you are saying. Not many tournaments go on during the summer either (unless they are in Florida). Thanks.

Don't take the kid comment personal. It's the internet. I was schooled by someone who made a comment about something that struck a nerve. I now know it doesn't really matter.

So how many times do I have to reply to what cue should I buy? What tip should I use. Etc., etc., etc. That's like asking do I look fat in these pants or should I buy these shoes. How the heck do I know.
"Is this forum losing members, or losing interest?" No and yes. We just IMO lose interest in answering questions we've heard 100 or 1,000 times.
 
I think you misunderstood...due to my poor writing...I meant the problem was that Lou guy constantly bashing the case maker. It gets old. Your one liner about the muzzle was the gem. No offense to you intended.

I'm not as good as any of you guys, but I do play a little one pocket when it doesn't interfere with my fishing.


The "Lou guy" took months of bashing from the case maker and *never said a word.* I waited until the match was done and the money won. If I take the occasional shot now and then, blame it on five months of abuse. As another poster once said: after all the months of insults John made, Lou could insult him every day and not catch up for years.

Lou Figueroa
 
This forum is superior to facebook in every single way but one. And even in that one way only some people see facebook as being superior and others actually see it as just another drawback like all the rest.

And that one way that facebook is better in some people's minds is that you have control over who has access to read or respond to your posts. Essentially you can censor people at your will and get rid of anyone you don't like or agree with or anyone that disagrees with you.

While this certainly has its usefulness, in my opinion it is mostly preferred and used by the people who are afraid of being challenged on something because they are afraid of looking stupid if they are ever caught lying or being wrong. Being able to get rid of trolls isn't the main draw. It is being able to remove anyone that disagrees with you or will call you out when you are lying that is the main draw. They want to be in a place where the only people that can read or respond to what they write are the "yes men" that treat everything they say as gospel and who will never disagree with them (and where you can just get rid of the ones who do). This is one of the reasons why the pros for the most part are only on facebook, so they only have to deal with the "yes men" who will never disagree with them even when they tell an untruth or are wrong about something.

Being able to block who you want does have some benefits when it comes to getting rid of those that never have valuable input and are always just trolling, but those people really are few and far between if we are honest with ourselves (and those type people end up getting blocked on this forum too). The main reason people like facebook though is not for that ability to remove trolls that never have any decent input, but because they can keep out those that disagree with them. Of course few are going to admit that but it is the truth none the less. Pretty weak IMO.

For all the downfalls of having to deal with some idiots, a forum such as this where things for the most part can be debated openly and without much censorship is far superior. It leads to better more honest information and discussion. Not to mention the access to old threads and ability to search etc is much superior. But if you like to be in the land of the "yes men" instead of a place with open and honest discussion where people can and will disagree and debate, then facebook would definitely be the place for you.


I think you've summed it up nicely.

Lou Figueroa
 
When I was in China I was on AZB every day. Now that I am here in the USA I have other things to do......and AZB doesn't have the same appeal now that most of the really good posters are gone or have severely cut down their posting.

What I don't miss are the anon trollios - like people who use names like billiardmind and such and are never held accountable for their actions.



Come to OKC and play for $20,000. 10 ahead - one pocket. We have played 18 games of one pocket and it's dead even. Yes you won a single race 9-6 and had to divide the 10k 17 ways. So it's the group +10k with your part being about 2k or so???

Now your group could win 20k more but........when ya got no heart ya got no start.

Most of OKC would back you and put you up in a 5 star hotel if you're playing me. They know I can't beat an APA 2 playing one pocket. You don't even have to have any heart....just don't be a total nit and scared of getting the dead nuts.

I will spell it out for you Twenty Thousand Dollars. Ten Ahead. One Pocket. It's ok if you're scared. You were scared before and you're scared now. Everyone in the country knows you're scared. Even your backers are ashamed of how afraid you are.


John, you are familiar with the famous Albert Einstein quote about doing the same thing over and over, right? I ask because you keep making the same proffer, which I have said will never happen and others have pointed out only proves you don't really want to play.

As I've said previously, I'm having knee and foot problems and I ain't getting any younger. The window on our ever playing again is closing and that's OK by me because frankly, I have nothing to prove. You, on the other hand... ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 
Tell me, what is the meaning of the word "Loser"? Is the word even in the dictionary? I do not know, but I do not think it is. It is just a word that mean and nasty people use to put down another person. Calling anyone a "loser" is just wrong in my mind. What is the purpose of calling a person that name? Do you use the word to try to hurt that person, or to try to make yourself feel better (or both)? After reading this, I am betting a lot of you guys will now insult me in some way, or make fun of me. Why act this way? A forum should be a place to discuss things in nice and friendly ways (without using nastiness and negative name calling).


Since you asked: "loser" has special meaning to John -- for months here John referred to me as "Louser." Get it? It was John's clever attempt at word play on my name. I was Louser this, Louser that, and he referred to my backer as "the fluffer" corp. That wasn't the worst of it but to get back to your question, I thought the loser reference would strike a special chord with John, since I now have his money. It's the old saying about revenge, a dish best eaten cold.

Lou Figueroa
this post was not to attack John
merely to answer justinb
 
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Since you asked: "loser" has special meaning to John -- for months here John referred to me as "Louser." Get it? It was John's clever attempt at word play on my name. I was Louser this, Louser that, and he referred to my backer as "the fluffer" corp. That wasn't the worst of it but to get back to your question, I thought the loser reference would strike a special chord with John, since I now have his money. It's the old saying about revenge, a dish best eaten cold.

Lou Figueroa
this post was not to attack John
merely to answer justinb

It is still Louser. You won't bet ten cents that a big dog can whip a little dog unless you have a corporation backing you. You won't even bet it if you have backers.

You beat me 9:6 with me playing the worst pool of my life. I practically spotted you half the set.

Now you're scared to play again.

You don't have my money. You have YOUR money. What small part of the bet that you got that is. It took a group of people to drag you to the table. $9400 of my money was posted and when it was posted it wasn't my money any more. $600 was in the pot by a couple folks who wanted to be part of it.

You won.....great for you....Helen Keller could have beaten me as badly as I played. I am surprised you didn't win 9:0. You are supposed to be a great player and you struggled to beat a donkey.

Now, to repeat I will play you one pocket in Oklahoma City for $20,000....ten ahead.

And since you're scared I will sweeten the pot for you. You get 9:8 on my breaks.
 
John, you are familiar with the famous Albert Einstein quote about doing the same thing over and over, right? I ask because you keep making the same proffer, which I have said will never happen and others have pointed out only proves you don't really want to play.

As I've said previously, I'm having knee and foot problems and I ain't getting any younger. The window on our ever playing again is closing and that's OK by me because frankly, I have nothing to prove. You, on the other hand... ;-)

Lou Figueroa

Make all the excuses you want.
 
The "Lou guy" took months of bashing from the case maker and *never said a word.* I waited until the match was done and the money won. If I take the occasional shot now and then, blame it on five months of abuse. As another poster once said: after all the months of insults John made, Lou could insult him every day and not catch up for years.

Lou Figueroa

I have no idea who started it because I don't have the time nor do I enjoy reading all of that negative stuff, but it's pretty clear you guys don't get along. I guess I think differently, because if I had taken all the abuse you speak of prior to the match, taking the money and then silence would be better than retaliation. Far better. And chances are that would get me another match. I saw a good bit of the match. It's the only time I've seen either one of you play so my opinion means less than nothing, but I think the case maker would have to play his best game to win in the long run. So that means not only does he make a hell of a case but he has the balls to put his money where his mouth is.

At the end of the day both you and the case maker have a good bit to offer a pool forum. From what I've read it seems you've been around the pool industry quite awhile and are a gifted writer. Good stuff. Case maker seems to do a great job supporting his family in this industry and is a resource to anyone who asks. More good stuff. So if you two want to to keep going after then divide into teams and go for it. But as I tell my kids way to often you don't have to likes a person, but disrespecting someone is a reflection of you not them.

Back to lurking. Right after I go on eBay. I hear they sell a sence of humor over there. Can't remember who said it, but someone here is loaded and willing to loan me money to buy one.
 
The "Lou guy" took months of bashing from the case maker and *never said a word.* I waited until the match was done and the money won. If I take the occasional shot now and then, blame it on five months of abuse. As another poster once said: after all the months of insults John made, Lou could insult him every day and not catch up for years.

Lou Figueroa

um, BS, absolute and total cow dung and not even high grade at that. You have YEARS - YEARS BEYOND YEARS of insults and provocations that you have perpetrated.

What started it all between us was YOUR insulting and bashing over aiming systems on Rec.Sport.Billiards.

And when we came to AZB, I was here before you by the way, I left you ALONE when you were continuing to bash others because we had shaken hands at a DCC and agreed to be cool.

But you couldn't let it go and had to start in on me here as well. I didn't know you at all all until you attacked me way back then on RSB.

So please, you can try and "rewrite" history but the fact is that it's all on record as to who is the instigator and attacker here and that's you and has always been you.
 
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um, BS, absolute and total cow dung and not even high grade at that. You have YEARS - YEARS BEYOND YEARS of insults and provocations that you have perpetrated.

What started it all between us was YOUR insulting and bashing over aiming systems on Rec.Sport.Billiards.

And when we came to AZB, I was here before you by the way, I left you ALONE when you were continuing to bash others because we had shaken hands at a DCC and agreed to be cool.

But you couldn't let it go and had to start in on me here as well. I didn't know you at all all until you attacked me way back then on RSB.

So please, you can try and "rewrite" history but the fact is that it's all on record as to who is the instigator and attacker here and that's you and has always been you.

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I don't post or read as much anymore because of the nonsense and ppl giving the worst advise I'd ever heard anyone give online and really claim to know what they are talking about.


Now to be off subject-
JB VS LOU
How did all of this shit get started...?
I've been wondering this for a long time. Now I know.

Lou started it all..

Now Lou is trying to duck saying his knees or wrists are giving him issues....
Every pool player has a excuse... Welcome to pool...
Wait a minute... Did John say he was giving up a spot even after he's lost 10k to Lou...
Lou better get his knee,wrist and whatever support/wrap braces he can find and stop ducking/stalling..



Rob.M
 
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I don't post or read as much anymore because of the nonsense and ppl giving the worst advise I'd ever heard anyone give online and really claim to know what they are talking about.


Now to be off subject-
JB VS LOU
How did all of this shit get started...?
I've been wondering this for a long time. Now I know.

Lou started it all..

Now Lou is trying to duck saying his knees or wrists are giving him issues....
Every pool player has a excuse... Welcome to pool...
Wait a minute... Did John say he was giving up a spot even after he's lost 10k to Lou...
Lou better get his knee,wrist and whatever support/wrap braces he can find and stop ducking/stalling..



Rob.M

He needs more weight
 
The OP should now have his answer.
:thumbup:

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It is still Louser. You won't bet ten cents that a big dog can whip a little dog unless you have a corporation backing you. You won't even bet it if you have backers.

You beat me 9:6 with me playing the worst pool of my life. I practically spotted you half the set.

Now you're scared to play again.

You don't have my money. You have YOUR money. What small part of the bet that you got that is. It took a group of people to drag you to the table. $9400 of my money was posted and when it was posted it wasn't my money any more. $600 was in the pot by a couple folks who wanted to be part of it.

You won.....great for you....Helen Keller could have beaten me as badly as I played. I am surprised you didn't win 9:0. You are supposed to be a great player and you struggled to beat a donkey.

Now, to repeat I will play you one pocket in Oklahoma City for $20,000....ten ahead.

And since you're scared I will sweeten the pot for you. You get 9:8 on my breaks.


lol, none of that matters. Still:

Lou:1
John: a big fat ZERO

Lou Figueroa
knows that drives
John batshit :-)
 
I have no idea who started it because I don't have the time nor do I enjoy reading all of that negative stuff, but it's pretty clear you guys don't get along. I guess I think differently, because if I had taken all the abuse you speak of prior to the match, taking the money and then silence would be better than retaliation. Far better. And chances are that would get me another match. I saw a good bit of the match. It's the only time I've seen either one of you play so my opinion means less than nothing, but I think the case maker would have to play his best game to win in the long run. So that means not only does he make a hell of a case but he has the balls to put his money where his mouth is.

At the end of the day both you and the case maker have a good bit to offer a pool forum. From what I've read it seems you've been around the pool industry quite awhile and are a gifted writer. Good stuff. Case maker seems to do a great job supporting his family in this industry and is a resource to anyone who asks. More good stuff. So if you two want to to keep going after then divide into teams and go for it. But as I tell my kids way to often you don't have to likes a person, but disrespecting someone is a reflection of you not them.

Back to lurking. Right after I go on eBay. I hear they sell a sence of humor over there. Can't remember who said it, but someone here is loaded and willing to loan me money to buy one.


Don't forget the Summer's Eve :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
um, BS, absolute and total cow dung and not even high grade at that. You have YEARS - YEARS BEYOND YEARS of insults and provocations that you have perpetrated.

What started it all between us was YOUR insulting and bashing over aiming systems on Rec.Sport.Billiards.

And when we came to AZB, I was here before you by the way, I left you ALONE when you were continuing to bash others because we had shaken hands at a DCC and agreed to be cool.

But you couldn't let it go and had to start in on me here as well. I didn't know you at all all until you attacked me way back then on RSB.

So please, you can try and "rewrite" history but the fact is that it's all on record as to who is the instigator and attacker here and that's you and has always been you.


oh come on, John. You were a wild man back on RSB too. Including the time you sent me an email that used a common four letter word as a verb, adjective, and noun in one short, pity sentence, as in: "F*** you, you f***ing, f***."

Lou Figueroa
 
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I don't post or read as much anymore because of the nonsense and ppl giving the worst advise I'd ever heard anyone give online and really claim to know what they are talking about.


Now to be off subject-
JB VS LOU
How did all of this shit get started...?
I've been wondering this for a long time. Now I know.

Lou started it all..

Now Lou is trying to duck saying his knees or wrists are giving him issues....
Every pool player has a excuse... Welcome to pool...
Wait a minute... Did John say he was giving up a spot even after he's lost 10k to Lou...
Lou better get his knee,wrist and whatever support/wrap braces he can find and stop ducking/stalling..



Rob.M


lol.

Lou Figueroa
holdin' out for
10-5 and the break
 
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