is this gold crown 2 or3 ?
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jazznpool said:
I would have to agree with you. i play at the golden cue here in albany NY an we have 26 gold crown 2's. when they originally came out they were all painted (side skirting only) different colors. one of the colors was the blue color seen in 1 of the pictures. these tables have been at the golden cue since it opened in 1963 so that should give you an approximate date of it being made. by the way. some of the other colors were orange, cream, and yellow. now remember, just the skirting was painted. the factory (brunswick) must have thought it would be cheaper than sanding and staining. hope this helps answer your question...................mike
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Chops Louie said:
It's a GC II.
IF the corner metals are brass, it's a GC 3.
If it's pot metal, GC 2.
If it's pot metal, GC 2.
Joe-joeb said:
If it were a GC I, then the skirt would be metal not wood.
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Thanks ya' all ! You're the greatest. Is the slate 1 3/4" on gc2 and 1 1/4" on gc3 ?
T411 said:
Painted metal skirts with melamine rails. There are 14 of them at a local collegiate recroom I frequent.
Believe me, these tables are 100% untouched, and still have the name plates. The skirts on the tables at NWU have a textured eggshell (off-white) finish.T411 said:
cheese_ball said:
I am no table mechanic and do not claim to be but I have looked at many GC’s, I, II, III, and IV’s. I have never seen GC-I’s with metal skirts. There are a few table mechanics on this forum from time to time; maybe they could tell me that I am mistaken? I think at least some of the GC-I’s have ash trays built into the corner castings. If any GC-I’s have metal skirts, that is news to me.
Could it be that you think that they are metal and are mistaken?
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I, too, have never seen metal skirts. Of course I've never seen blue rails either, so who knows. I would think the early 60's would make these GCI's. I think the first year for the first generation was 1961.
The GCI's and II's had skirts below the sides of the table. Maybe you are having a semantic problem. I have a GCII and it has wooden sides and fiberglass or SMC skirts (removed). Maybe one of you is talking "skirts" (again, never seen metal skirts either) and one is talking "sides".
Don't know about GCI's but my slate is about 1 1/16" and is pinned at the joints (I's and II's were pinned / III's and IV's were not).
Adios,
Pizza Bob
The GCI's and II's had skirts below the sides of the table. Maybe you are having a semantic problem. I have a GCII and it has wooden sides and fiberglass or SMC skirts (removed). Maybe one of you is talking "skirts" (again, never seen metal skirts either) and one is talking "sides".
Don't know about GCI's but my slate is about 1 1/16" and is pinned at the joints (I's and II's were pinned / III's and IV's were not).
Adios,
Pizza Bob
1" slate on both models. It may look thicker with the cloth on it, because of the backing boards.Chops Louie said:
Tracy
My GC1 had wood aprons that were painted yellow with a white base. The skirts were plastic and were to hide the bottom of the pockets.
Here are things I remember when I was dating my table.
GC1 had non leveling legs. Leg Levelers started with the GC2.
Ashtrays were a GC2 option, not GC1.
The casting that holds the rail bolts (underneath the rail) has a certain shape on GC1's. It looks like a circle with a moon if that makes any sense.
GC3's say "Gold Crown III" on a sticker on the base.
GC3's have brass or copper name plates on the rail. I think 2's and 1's had a silver color.
I think apron wood was different. GC1 was made of ASH (I think) and 3's were made of poplar not sure about 2's. My GC1 had ASH stamped in the aprons on the back side.
Under the pocket castings, my GC1 was stamped with a date of 1962. Maybe all pocket castings were also dated. Pull one off and look I guess.
Scorers were different. I know 3's have different scorers than a 1 but not sure about the 2 and I have never seen a 4 with scorers but that does not mean they don't exist. My GC scorers were larger than the 3's. I think Mullers has a pic of a replacement for the 3...
I also think the aprons are bolted on in 3's and 4's where 1's and 2's had a very nice tounge and groove milled from extruded aluminum. A much better system than the 3's and 4's, IMO.
Slate pins is also an identifer. I don't remember the specifics but my 1 had them and other models did not. Maybe it was just the 3's that did not have the alignment pins.
The slate itself was manufactured in Virginia on some models and from Brazil or Italy on the others. I don't remember which.
Please note that all of this is hard to remember so I surely got some of it wrong but if you look up these different things, you should find my mistakes
Anyways, thats all I remember about the differences between the 4 tables.
BTW - I think you have a 1 or a 2. I almost want to say 2 because of the color. As far as I can tell, Yellow, Red, and a light powder blue were the only colors on GC1's and only on the aprons. I think all the rails were the fake wood until 2's came out. Really not sure about that one though. Your color looks to dark to be the Blue offered on the GC1. I hope you have a 2, that's my favorite one.
Here are things I remember when I was dating my table.
GC1 had non leveling legs. Leg Levelers started with the GC2.
Ashtrays were a GC2 option, not GC1.
The casting that holds the rail bolts (underneath the rail) has a certain shape on GC1's. It looks like a circle with a moon if that makes any sense.
GC3's say "Gold Crown III" on a sticker on the base.
GC3's have brass or copper name plates on the rail. I think 2's and 1's had a silver color.
I think apron wood was different. GC1 was made of ASH (I think) and 3's were made of poplar not sure about 2's. My GC1 had ASH stamped in the aprons on the back side.
Under the pocket castings, my GC1 was stamped with a date of 1962. Maybe all pocket castings were also dated. Pull one off and look I guess.
Scorers were different. I know 3's have different scorers than a 1 but not sure about the 2 and I have never seen a 4 with scorers but that does not mean they don't exist. My GC scorers were larger than the 3's. I think Mullers has a pic of a replacement for the 3...
I also think the aprons are bolted on in 3's and 4's where 1's and 2's had a very nice tounge and groove milled from extruded aluminum. A much better system than the 3's and 4's, IMO.
Slate pins is also an identifer. I don't remember the specifics but my 1 had them and other models did not. Maybe it was just the 3's that did not have the alignment pins.
The slate itself was manufactured in Virginia on some models and from Brazil or Italy on the others. I don't remember which.
Please note that all of this is hard to remember so I surely got some of it wrong but if you look up these different things, you should find my mistakes
Anyways, thats all I remember about the differences between the 4 tables.BTW - I think you have a 1 or a 2. I almost want to say 2 because of the color. As far as I can tell, Yellow, Red, and a light powder blue were the only colors on GC1's and only on the aprons. I think all the rails were the fake wood until 2's came out. Really not sure about that one though. Your color looks to dark to be the Blue offered on the GC1. I hope you have a 2, that's my favorite one.
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pooltablemech
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They are not original if the are metal!cheese_ball said:
They use to come with a plastic or fiberglass type stuff that was attached to the wood skirts. Centinial's had metal skirts....but all the GC's were wood.
Hooked's post was real informative, but some of these others are wrong. And shouldn't even post if you don't know, or you are just wrong.
Best way to find out is like he said about the feet. It is a 1 or a 2, and if it has threaded feet and are adjustable it's a 2.....if not it is a 1.
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