Is this legal

robertod

robertod

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Playing 9 ball, my opponent was looking to 2 rail kick the next ball after my safety. After he determines where he wants to hit the rail for the kick, he places a piece of chalk near that spot. I asked if that was legal. He said as long as the chalk is not on the cloth covering the rail it was OK.

Was he right?
 
No, can't mark the rail like that. Foul.

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It might be ok as long as he uses the chalk to draw a line above the rail ONLY on the cloth, and then move the cube of chalk itself. I believe the rule is only if you use the CUBE of chalk as the marker. If both the chalk and cloth are blue this may not be very helpful. I think this is why they invented colored chalk.
 
What rules are you playing? In addition to the bca rules mentioned above, CSI also does not allow marking by placing chalk on the rail. Its a foul.
 
cueball2010 said:
It might be ok as long as he uses the chalk to draw a line above the rail ONLY on the cloth, and then move the cube of chalk itself. I believe the rule is only if you use the CUBE of chalk as the marker. If both the chalk and cloth are blue this may not be very helpful. I think this is why they invented colored chalk.
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can NOT mark the table in ANY way or use chalk/coin what-the-fk-ever to mark a shot. please don't come on here and make guesses about something you obviously know little about.
 
Was watching part of a match, two pretty good players. Race to 7, $100. The one guy was getting a game on the wire. He is using his cue to measure a rail first shot. Puts his finger on the rail and bends down to look back at the cue ball. As he stands up, he drags his finger a little. He walks around, to get behind the shot. His opponent walks over, rubs the rail, and tells him if he does it again it’s a foul. The first guy tried to act innocent, but you could tell. The clincher was, he changed his mind. He didn’t try to make it, hit it full and played safe.
 
Jimmorrison said:
Was watching part of a match, two pretty good players. Race to 7, $100. The one guy was getting a game on the wire. He is using his cue to measure a rail first shot. Puts his finger on the rail and bends down to look back at the cue ball. As he stands up, he drags his finger a little. He walks around, to get behind the shot. His opponent walks over, rubs the rail, and tells him if he does it again it’s a foul. The first guy tried to act innocent, but you could tell. The clincher was, he changed his mind. He didn’t try to make it, hit it full and played safe.
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If the cue comes out of his hand for an instant, the cue changes from being a pointing device (legal) to a measuring device (illegal).
 
MitchAlsup said:
If the cue comes out of his hand for an instant, the cue changes from being a pointing device (legal) to a measuring device (illegal).
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The guy did everything kosher, except for the fingerprint smudge. I’ve watched SVB line up a rail first shot the exact same way, only without marking the rail. After seeing it done, I practiced it at home, it works well.
 
Ģüśţāṿ said:
People in APA do this all the time, especially during time outs.
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In APA it's legal to use the chalk cube as a target, but you cannot use it to mark (draw) on the cloth.

"No one is allowed to mark the cloth in any way, including, but not limited to, using chalk to draw a line or wetting a finger to dampen the cloth. Teams may be subject to sportsmanship violations for marking the cloth. It is permissible to set a piece of chalk on the hard surface of the rail."

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This is directly from the APA rule book.

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I don't know about other rulebooks, and the BCA rules posted previously seem to be opposite to this last sentence in the APA rule, but in APA, a piece of chalk that does not touch the cloth is not a foul.
 
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