It's now lawyer time

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Kevin

You have the right idea I am going to call this Blackjack fellow this very evening and hopefully we can put our heads together on some solution,thanks for your input. Danny
 
I hate to say this but even if you do go to small claims and you win the case, you still may not get paid. Whose going to enforce the judgment? If I was Danny, I'd just forget about the money but I'd never forget who done me wrong. If someone screws you it's shame on him, if the same person screws you twice, it's shame on you.
 
Thanks JAM

I would like to say thanks for the compliments and I think Keith must still have some fire left if he's got you in his corner.
Sincerely, Danny
 
jungledude said:
:p Pool is now hitting rock bottom. In the past year I was dumped by a 30 year friend who is among the nations best bar table players for $20,000 who dumped me to someone who was just robbed of $34,000 in Boston and I was almost poisoned to death in Baton Rouge by a "Friend" who hit me with a dose of scopolamine which costs me another $15,000. This is really a lovely game, take it from someone who's been around since before you were born Danny, and get out this rotten game and do something with your life as you seem to be a real nice intelligent young man. There is no future in pool, the cast of characters, lack what is badly needed, integrity, and this will not get any better, it's getting worse.....Humphrey, New Orleans :mad:
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Obviously, these are sad stories, and the actions of some of those invovled truly regrettable. All of us feel for those who've been harmed, and would like to see their losses made good.

Nonetheless, what do the gambling experences of a few non-professional players have to do with the state of the pro game? Whether gamblers welch on their pool bets has absolutely nothing to do with pro pool. It does show that those who choose to do business on pool's darker side do so at their own risk. Most activities involving very large sums of money where accounts may only be settled in cash are less than reputable, and big action pool is no exception.

The state of pro pool should not be judged by the experiences of a few action players.
 
jungledude said:
:p Pool is now hitting rock bottom. In the past year I was dumped by a 30 year friend who is among the nations best bar table players for $20,000 who dumped me to someone who was just robbed of $34,000 in Boston and I was almost poisoned to death in Baton Rouge by a "Friend" who hit me with a dose of scopolamine which costs me another $15,000. This is really a lovely game, take it from someone who's been around since before you were born Danny, and get out this rotten game and do something with your life as you seem to be a real nice intelligent young man. There is no future in pool, the cast of characters, lack what is badly needed, integrity, and this will not get any better, it's getting worse.....Humphrey, New Orleans :mad:
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Hopefully, exposure of the dishonest will curb their thefts. How about some names? Look what public exposure has done for Danny's case, as an example.

Privacy is quickly becoming null and void in the world today, so the types of behavior that rely on it are changing quickly. I'm anxious to see the final results of these messes. And I'm anxious to see the scumbags filtered out of this truly "lovely" game. It's not the game, but the dishonest assholes, that need to be abandoned and left on their own to change, pay up, or die.

Jeff Livingston
 
sjm said:
Nonetheless, what do the gambling experences of a few non-professional players have to do with the state of the pro game? Whether gamblers welch on their pool bets has absolutely nothing to do with pro pool.

The state of pro pool should not be judged by the experiences of a few action players.
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Howdy SJM,
Jungle Dude , the way I interpret, is implying that pool whether it is Pro game or after hours game shares those same charecteristics which are NOT desirable.
Based on reading your numerous postings ,it appears to me that you have been involved with Pro pool for many years.However,I wonder, how much knowledge u have about `inside aspects of MENS Pro pool``. Do u know that things with similar themes of what Jungledude described could happen in Men`s pro pool ,if not to the same degree.
I was there once and I know it and Jungledude was not off the point with his examples. Cheers
Vagabond
 
vagabond said:
Howdy SJM,
Jungle Dude , the way I interpret, is implying that pool whether it is Pro game or after hours game shares those same charecteristics which are NOT desirable.
Based on reading your numerous postings ,it appears to me that you have been involved with Pro pool for many years.However,I wonder, how much knowledge u have about `inside aspects of MENS Pro pool``. Do u know that things with similar themes of what Jungledude described could happen in Men`s pro pool ,if not to the same degree.
I was there once and I know it and Jungledude was not off the point with his examples. Cheers
Vagabond
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Point well taken, Vagabond. Sadly, I know the inside aspects of MEN'S pool. As much women's pool as I've seen, and it's a lot, I've still seen more men's pro and action pool and attended more men's pro events than women's.

I know that you're correct in your assertion that the character flaws found in the local action room are, all too often, the same ones found in the pro tournament venues or anywhere that pros gamble with each other. All I'm saying is that the pro game should be judged on the occurrences within the confines of the professional game. As a generalization on pool's action culture, I agree with what Jungledude posted, but felt his post was presented as a generalization about pool as a sport, and I felt that was overdoing it. Just my opinion, no more and no less.
 
jungledude said:
:I was dumped by a 30 year friend who is among the nations best bar table players for $20,000 who dumped me to someone who was just robbed of $34,000 in Boston Humphrey, New Orleans :mad:
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Howdy Jungledude,
If I may ask you,does this guy`s name is the same as the name of the exit one takes from interstate 10 to go to Buffalo Billiards?Cheers
Vagabond
 
Jack Flanagan said:
different states, different rules,,,the defendants can and often use lawyers in small claims courts in my state,,,also if you're trying to collect in different jurisdictions (counties), you must file a claim in all counties.....be aware of legal requirements wherever you file a claim,,,JMHO
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Jack,

I've talked to you in the chatroom before. You're in Mississippi right? If you win a claim in Small Claims Court, how do you get the order enforced? Here in California, it's pretty much up to the plaintiff to find a way to enforce that order and that makes it pretty difficult. My dad had a business and has had to go to court many times and was just fortunate to have a friend who was a sheriff and he helped him collect his debts. Had it not been for his friend, I dare say he would not have been able to collect anything. Just curious?
 
Sorry to blow your response rick

Rickw said:
Jack,

I've talked to you in the chatroom before. You're in Mississippi right? If you win a claim in Small Claims Court, how do you get the order enforced? Here in California, it's pretty much up to the plaintiff to find a way to enforce that order and that makes it pretty difficult. My dad had a business and has had to go to court many times and was just fortunate to have a friend who was a sheriff and he helped him collect his debts. Had it not been for his friend, I dare say he would not have been able to collect anything. Just curious?
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Here in California it is very easy to collect your money. I am in business and have it done and been done to me several times. I am surprised if your friend was a sheriff you would not know that the sheriff's dept. itself will collect the money for you for a very small fee. This includes wage garnishment, assuming you know where the defendant works, filing claims with the bank, they will even put a hold on CD's, checking accounts or anything with the defendants name on it. The sheriff will also place a collector of all income in a business. You can also do this on your own by filing the right papers with the court. You can also file a lien on all property. I have collected as much as $5,000 through the sheriff's. The only problem however is the time it takes and the defendant filing bankruptcy or they have a prior claim or a child support claim that takes precedent.
So Rick I dare say he should have been able to.
 
Hey, thanks for the info. My dad has been out of his business for years. I just remember that he always had a horrible time trying to collect money from deadbeat accounts. He went to Small Claims quite a bit and almost stopped going until this friend of his, he was actually a court baliff but had a sheriff's badge, offered to help him.

I am not disputing that what you say isn't true but I'm surprised you have had such a positive experience collecting through the sheriffs' offices. It's tough enough to get them to come out and investigate a murder. Where in CA do you live? I'm in the San Jaoquin Valley. You say that child support gets a priority when it comes to claims, did you know that child support collections in this state are abysmal? Don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself at the DHHS website. I am glad that you have had such good success collecting from those that owe you! I would still venture to say that there are many out there that aren't so lucky.
 
If you know where they work they are dead meat!

Rickw said:
Hey, thanks for the info. My dad has been out of his business for years. I just remember that he always had a horrible time trying to collect money from deadbeat accounts. He went to Small Claims quite a bit and almost stopped going until this friend of his, he was actually a court baliff but had a sheriff's badge, offered to help him.

I am not disputing that what you say isn't true but I'm surprised you have had such a positive experience collecting through the sheriffs' offices. It's tough enough to get them to come out and investigate a murder. Where in CA do you live? I'm in the San Jaoquin Valley. You say that child support gets a priority when it comes to claims, did you know that child support collections in this state are abysmal? Don't take my word for it, check it out for yourself at the DHHS website. I am glad that you have had such good success collecting from those that owe you! I would still venture to say that there are many out there that aren't so lucky.
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He probably was naieve to the system as are a lot of people about small claims court. That baliff was a sheriff, thats what baliffs are just happens that is their assignment at the time and it seems they are not cops. I believe all counties have a separate divsion that deals strictly in collections. It is their job to colledt for the tax paying citizens. They send a form to employee, it is filled out sent back and it must be sent back with correct info on wages and when paid because it is a court order. Then the boss takes out 20 percent of paycheck, sends it to the sheriff, they hold for 30 days(because of appeals) then send a check to plaintiff. Goes on montly til paid off. That way is simple. Also sheriffs like collecting from self employed businesses, as they work side jobs as collectors to just go sit in a business and collect the receipts. Since it is a sheriff job they hire off duty sheriffs for the job. Pretty neat huh until it happens to you. So that baliff should have been a lot of help.
 
They call that "till tapping" when a collector sits at a business and takes money from the receipts.

Let's get just a few things straight here:
1. It does not appear that Danny lives in the same state that Brady does. This might pose a problem.
2. Does Brady hold down a 9 to 5 job? If not, wage assignment or garnishment may be a problem as well.
3. Child support transcends state lines. In other words, if a person in Utah owes child support to someone in CA, Utah will enforce the order or CA can impose Long Arm jurisdiction. This does not apply to debts other than child support because as you said, child support collections take precedence over other debt collections.
4. Does it sound like I might know what I'm talking about? You should say "yes".

My intent here was to just try to save Danny a lot of hassle trying to collect some money. The amount sounds pretty small to me to go through some of the "hassle" that may be involved. I mean if the guy is owed $20,000 or so, well then yeah, I'd be willing to jump through some hoops for that but less than $2,000?
 
Alright, lets get a few things straight

Rickw said:
They call that "till tapping" when a collector sits at a business and takes money from the receipts.

Let's get just a few things straight here:
1. It does not appear that Danny lives in the same state that Brady does. This might pose a problem.
2. Does Brady hold down a 9 to 5 job? If not, wage assignment or garnishment may be a problem as well.
3. Child support transcends state lines. In other words, if a person in Utah owes child support to someone in CA, Utah will enforce the order or CA can impose Long Arm jurisdiction. This does not apply to debts other than child support because as you said, child support collections take precedence over other debt collections.
4. Does it sound like I might know what I'm talking about? You should say "yes".

My intent here was to just try to save Danny a lot of hassle trying to collect some money. The amount sounds pretty small to me to go through some of the "hassle" that may be involved. I mean if the guy is owed $20,000 or so, well then yeah, I'd be willing to jump through some hoops for that but less than $2,000?
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First of all your original post surmized a scenario where a lawsuit had been won and it would be hard to collect. I just pointed it wouldn't, now your talking about a hassle etc etc, off point.
Second a sheriff sent to collect is not called a till tapper but technically a
"Sheriffs Keeper". A till tapper is a thief who grabs money from the register and runs. Now you may think the sheriff is a till tapper and label him that cause he is taking your money but he is just collecting money you owe someone.
Child support has nothing to do with it, you can still collect by having someone file a garnishment with the jurisdiction and they will send the money if they can collect.
Wage garnishment is not the only way to collect, papers can be filed for bank accounts(they will take all the money at once) property liens, vehicle possessions and many others.
I agree the hassle may not be worth it and I do not know New York's system but you mentioned California. You could actually have a friend file the single sheet of paper, get a court date and have the friend represent you. You just cannot have a lawyer represent you. Major companiies do this all the time.
So I am sorry to say you do not know what you are talking about.
You keep trying to justify your post that was full of misinformation.
No big deal you obviously were misinformed or you misunderstood the system.
 
I see no reason to continue with this Nfty. You are obviously much more informed than me and I can see why with that amazing ability you have with reading the written word. Again, and this is not for your benefit Nfty, I would recommend, given the amount owed, that Danny consider the effort it would take if he initiates litigation to get his money back. I seriously doubt that it would be worth it but it's your call Danny. I was just trying to give you some insight to what kind of "hassle" you might be in for if you go that route.
 
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