Ivory Ban 2014 - June 26th Meeting

Joe Barringer

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(correction: the Meeting was June 24th, 2014)

Summary of June 24 House Subcommittee Hearing on Ivory Ban

There was a meeting where all the pro and anti ivory people sat around, talked to each other, sang kumbaya and basically nothing was accomplished. There were a lot of valid points made by both sides and the pro ivory forces made a good showing.

The EPA attorney stated, The Republican members tended to be skeptical of an ivory ban, and the Democrats tended to support it".

Here's a statement of David Hayes, Vice Chair of the Advisory Council on Wildlife Trafficking (anti ivory forces)

Hayes repeated talking points from the Advisory Council that have been reported on in detail in prior e-mails from us. Key differences:

• Smoothed over the number of elephants poached by saying 35,000 were killed in 2012 (WCF number) and 20,000 were killed in 2013 (CITES number)

• Hit “international crime menace” hard

• Credited Hillary Clinton for linking poaching to international crime and terrorism

• Emphasized that FWS is only “tightening up” already-in-place restrictions on commercial trade under the African Elephant Conservation Act and CITES (his interpretation is AECA would have barred import of antiques)

• Implied that FWS will be taking care of appropriate legal exceptions for pre-ban ivory and antiques in its upcoming rulemaking process



Here's the bottomline...

The attorney for the EPA (Elephant Protection Agency), the pro ivory group made the following statement:
"Hayes chimed in and said FWS will consider in its upcoming rulemaking ways to continue trade in pre-ban ivory and antiques, although it’s hard to take that comment seriously given the direction of the Advisory Council to date".

We've been saying that since February, 2014. Some people are slow.

Interstate pre ban ivory trading is still allowed as most every dealer we know is still marketing it. What does the future hold? After months of discussion with various agencies, individuals, FWS and our attorney, we simply cannot believe they will ban all ownership and sales of something that has been and continues to be perfectly legal. However, we do see at some point a law limiting interstate commerce of pre ban ivory whereas only intrastate commerce will be allowed. We can also be wrong and there may be no limitations in interstate trade. Time will tell.

We will keep you informed.
 
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Thanks for the update Joe. Right now I think right now its a dice roll as to a definitive outcome.
 
Joe,

Please understand I know you are reporting what is happening.

My misunderstanding is it seems they are talking about two different issues rather than than the most important.

I cannot disagree with Clinton, present day poaching is a crime and might well support Terrorisim but that is illegal Ivory, not pre ban and we pay agencys not to let it come in the USA.

Why can't they seem to look at the issues as a Before and After and treat them as such?

If you got the Doc's you got the Doc's. If you don't your breaking the law.

Seems so simple but I don't have the IQ of the people voting on this.
 
Joe,

Please understand I know you are reporting what is happening.

My misunderstanding is it seems they are talking about two different issues rather than than the most important.

I cannot disagree with Clinton, present day poaching is a crime and might well support Terrorisim but that is illegal Ivory, not pre ban and we pay agencys not to let it come in the USA.

Why can't they seem to look at the issues as a Before and After and treat them as such?

If you got the Doc's you got the Doc's. If you don't your breaking the law.

Seems so simple but I don't have the IQ of the people voting on this.

Tom the issue is your dealing with politicians not people with common sense lol. Of course it should be cut and dry. LEGAL pre-ban ivory is well legal, ILLEGAL poached ivory is well illegal. But try explaining that to a politician concerned with votes and popularity ratings? Like you said we have agencies to keep illegal ivory out of the US, so why aren't they doing there job and leaving the rest of us alone? Politics, trying to look like captain do-gooder in an election year. I will get off my soap box, I have shafts to turn, before that becomes regulated.
 
Joe,

Please understand I know you are reporting what is happening.

My misunderstanding is it seems they are talking about two different issues rather than than the most important.

I cannot disagree with Clinton, present day poaching is a crime and might well support Terrorisim but that is illegal Ivory, not pre ban and we pay agencys not to let it come in the USA.

Why can't they seem to look at the issues as a Before and After and treat them as such?

If you got the Doc's you got the Doc's. If you don't your breaking the law.

Seems so simple but I don't have the IQ of the people voting on this.


Tom,

Tony answered it quite well. We are talking about politicians who can't fight their way out of a paper bag let alone administer things. That's why the VA is a bust.... don't get me started. It's the government.
 
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