Jayson Shaw's 714 becomes 669?

SBC said:
Straight pool starts with a break shot.

If I run out from the 3 and then break and run 2 racks, is that a 3 pack?
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Actually a run starts in Straight Pool when you come to the table. So if your turn begins in the middle of a rack, those balls count along with any racks you run afterwards. Say you run the last eight balls in one rack and then run six more racks before missing on the fourth ball in the seventh rack, you have made a run of 95. Eight plus eighty four (six racks) plus three in the last rack equals 95.
 
jay helfert said:
Actually a run starts in Straight Pool when you come to the table. So if your turn begins in the middle of a rack, those balls count along with any racks you run afterwards.
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In an exhibition?

Maybe

Guess he's lucky to still have the record.
 
SBC said:
In an exhibition?

Maybe

Guess he's lucky to still have the record.
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In a match a run is still calculated in the same way. Of course all these new high run records have not been made in any type of match, exhibition or otherwise, so a case could be made they are not equal to Mosconi's 526 that was made during an exhibition match.
 
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SBC said:
Straight pool starts with a break shot.

If I run out from the 3 and then break and run 2 racks, is that a 3 pack?
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Your turn starts where the balls finished after a miss, safety or foul.

And to answer your question, it would be a 2 pack. I’m not suggesting we give him credit for the balls prior to the foul if we insist on all ball fouls.
 
jay helfert said:
In a match a run is still calculated in the same way. Of course all these new high run records have not been made in any type of match, exhibition or otherwise, so a case could be made they are not equal to Mosconi's 527 that was made during an exhibition match.
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To me it's like playing cueball fouls only and hitting a ball in the path of a rolling cueball.

Has to be a dead rack because after shooting that ball the entire rack and cueball position changed everything.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
And if the BCA seriously proposed to certify 669 I wonder about their credibility as judges.
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On the other hand, since it's not a match, I suppose it it could be argued that match break rules don't apply and any run, even one started in the middle of a rack, is valid.

pj <- obviously don't know WTF I'm talking about
chgo
 
Babe Cranfield’s purported 768 seems a little safer now. Did Babe actually do it,? Karl Zingale says yes and I believe he probably did.
 
SBC said:
Pretty sure they are saying he touched another object ball on the table, in the process of the shot.
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Okay, who else has watched Jayson’s video here🤚
Somebody please watch it and tell me if there’s an object ball foul.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
On the other hand, since it's not a match, I suppose it it could be argued that match break rules don't apply and any run, even one started in the middle of a rack, is valid.

pj <- obviously don't know WTF I'm talking about
chgo
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IMO a run of 669 is highly questionable since it started mid-rack in a non-match, but I think a run of at least 658 (714 - (14*3)) should be uncontroversial, since that would mean the official run actually started on the '4th' rack (which should officially be counted as the 1st rack). Because at the start of the '4th' rack, it doesn't matter exactly how the break ball and CB ball are placed at the start of a high run attempt (since almost always they are placed by hand anyway).

So even if he touched a ball on the '45th' ball, it should still be undebatable that he broke the world record. What is up for debate is exactly what that final run number is...whether it is 714, 669, or 658, but he's guaranteed at least 658 (if my math is correct).
 
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jsp said:
IMO a run of 669 is highly questionable since it started mid-rack in a non-match, but I think a run of at least 658 (714 - (14*3)) should be uncontroversial, since that would mean the official run actually started on the '4th' rack (which should officially be counted as the 1st rack). Because at the start of the '4th' rack, it doesn't matter exactly how the break ball and CB ball are placed.

So even if he touched a ball on the '45th' ball, it should still be undebatable that he broke the world record. What is up for debate is exactly what that final number is...714, 669, or 658, but he's guaranteed at least 658 (if my math is correct).
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Yea agree, to not at least give him credit from the next breakshot onward is ludicrous.
 
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