Jayson Shaw's 714 becomes 669?

I do want to first say I 100% trust Bobby and Jayson that if they thought it was a foul then they’d own it. That was clearly the kind you wouldn’t feel as a player.

Second, I just don’t care. To riff on a fun conversation from the Cue It Up podcast, these high runs are a hotdog eating contest. I really get a kick out of them. I couldn’t care less if we are using tournament rules. Jayson ran an amazing 714 for all I care.

I don’t doubt he will top it again. I know in my heart that any 800+ player can run over 1000 if they put their heart into it. Jayson seems to have that competitive side to him.

If his legacy isn’t going to be 6 US Opens then it can at least be a combination of being one of the most dominant Mosconi Cup players of all time and this too. Because this isn’t a gimme. You gotta earn it. And he is.

Aside from no reason to question their integrity, it doesn't make sense for Jayson to foul on the 45th ball and not call it. He starts over and almost certainly runs more balls the next rack. He had almost nothing invested in a 44 ball run.

There is also the matter that all of us that have played much pool have rolled a ball back and forth with the side of the shaft without being able to feel it. This is a very believable accidental foul, especially considering it happened near the end of a very long day. Unfortunately, since there wasn't a restart of the ball count after the 45th ball this whole effort is a 44 ball run and a lot of wasted effort behind that. Hard to see it differently.

I do believe Jayson can run seven hundred again. Eight hundred, even a thousand may not be out of reach. I wish him luck!

Hu
 
It disappoints me that instead of addressing the controversy they choose to instead make a copyright claim. I’m surprised that neither them or Schmidt have said anything yet.

Maybe they don’t think it’s a big deal, but I do. This was supposed to be a world record attempt so what would he have done if he continued on to 670 or 715? I used to be of the belief that Johns 626 was legit and it was only withheld from the public due to piracy concerns. But now I’m in the suspicious camp.
Schmidt will reply when the go fund me is funded.
 
Sounds like your definition of "cue ball fouls only" is different from the WPA's definition.

21. CUE BALL FOULS ONLY​

If there is no referee presiding over a match, it may be played using cue ball fouls only. That is, touching or moving any ball other than the cue ball would not be a foul unless it changes the outcome of the shot by either touching another ball or having any ball, including the cue ball, going through the area originally occupied by the moved ball. If this does not happen, then the opposing player must be given the option of either leaving the ball where it lies or replacing the ball as near as possible to its original position to the agreement of both players. If a player shoots without giving his opponent the option to replace, it will be a foul resulting in cue ball in hand for the opponent.​
You can't hit balls on the process of shooting.

If you could then just part a ball away from the cueball everytime you are jacked up.

Pool goes nowhere because as a whole nobody can get their shit together on the most basic of rules.
 
I know I'll only add to the "My daddy can beat up your daddy" ping pong going on, but my accurate nuance to Jay's correct statement is . . .

. . . ."all balls fouls" for 14.1 is a broad brush that is actually situationally-dependent:

a) requiring an officially designated referee or,

b) requiring a format that includes an opponent -- an opponent thereby customarily empowered to serve judgmentally as the referee.

The format/structure for John's 626, and Jayson's 714 involved neither A nor B.

Both players were in a specialized situation pre-announced and fully understood to be: multiple attempts to set a new record for balls-run.

Quite obviously not a match or competitive situation and readily understood (by the above A or B parameters) as "CB fouls only".

And lest anyone assert that the camera is the referee (an objective qualified observer) that didn't quite work out did it?

We have a report of a room containing half a dozen BCA-approved, objective (one presumes) observers closely watching repeat viewings
on an 80-inch screen and ending up in their initial session with honest disagreement among themselves.

. . . changed attitudes or agenda-ed non-objectivity -- with Bobby uninvited, would seemingly come in the later private second session.

Arnaldo
I don't believe Mosconi's record run had any formal regulation or refereeing at the time he made it. Am I correct? Were the people who were there qualified to make a valid assessment? Was his run in a match or a competitive situation? Would you accept that as a valid accreditation today?
 
This sounds a little odd, but I genuinely think it’s a cultural issue within the disciplines. Cultural may not be the best word. For example, if you watch any pro snooker, you’ll often hear the commentators say something to the effect of, “Well, he didn’t want to leave himself bridging over that ball.” And they aren’t always talking about bridging with the hand. They’ll say that in reference to an object ball being near their bridge arm or under their body. And they’ll mention the increased difficulty because the player has to be aware of not fouling that object ball, whether it be due to bending their bridge arm or having to arch their back.

As a result, shirt fouls etc rarely ever happen in pro snooker and English 8 ball. Players avoid those situations, and when it’s a possibility, they’re hyper aware of avoiding it. Honestly, I played snooker and a smattering of English 8 ball for about 13-15 years before switching to pool, and I can genuinely not recall a single instance of a dispute over a shirt foul, hair foul, arm foul, etc. Usually with no refs involved.

And I think you identified the solution to both this foul and SVB's foul (or not) in the recent UK open. Players should try to avoid these situations so they aren't at the mercy of a bad call or accident.
 
I don't believe Mosconi's record run had any formal regulation or refereeing at the time he made it. Am I correct? Were the people who were there qualified to make a valid assessment? Was his run in a match or a competitive situation? Would you accept that as a valid accreditation today?
From Willie's book:
On March 19, in Springfield, Ohio, I ran 526 balls, a record that still stands. I was playing a two-hundred-point match against an amateur by the name of Earl Bruney in the East High Billiard Club. He made three balls off the break, then I ran two hundred and just kept going. The run took two hours and ten minutes, which means that over that span I averaged four balls a minute. I finally missed a difficult cut shot, but by that time I was weary; it was almost a relief to have it come to an end. There were about three hundred people in the audience, and one of them was an attorney who prepared an affidavit attesting to the validity of my claim to a new record. A few days later, the BCA gave it its stamp of approval.

Cohen, Stanley; Mosconi, Willie. Willie's Game: An Autobiography . Open Road Media. Kindle Edition.

From somewhere else....
The record was set on a 4 × 8 foot Brunswick table with 5 1/4 inch corner pockets at the East High Billiard Club. The 526-ball record just happened to be on a 4 × 8 ft table, a size seldom used in professional play, but used for the billiard club exhibition that day. In fact, the room owner expected the exhibition to take place on the room's 9 foot table. That table was not a Brunswick, so Willie was required to play on one of the Brunswick 8 foot tables.
 
Maybe jayson should hit the road and do straight pool exhibitions. Do some high run attempts and then play a match with some local talent. Then maybe a pay to play with the pro. That would be cool I’d pay to see that.


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Maybe jayson should hit the road and do straight pool exhibitions. Do some high run attempts and then play a match with some local talent. Then maybe a pay to play with the pro. That would be cool I’d pay to see that.


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Or even just line up a dozen 100 point games per day and continue any run larger than 70 or something. Still not the same thing as Willie’s context, but it’s in ball park at least.
 
Or even just line up a dozen 100 point games per day and continue any run larger than 70 or something. Still not the same thing as Willie’s context, but it’s in ball park at least.

Who is going to organize this?

In the old days Brunswick had a guy on the road a few weeks ahead of Willie, traveling the route across the country, to get rooms/owners to commit and put up posters. No way that’s happening now.

Lou Figueroa
 
Who is going to organize this?

In the old days Brunswick had a guy on the road a few weeks ahead of Willie, traveling the route across the country, to get rooms/owners to commit and put up posters. No way that’s happening now.

Lou Figueroa

And in today's world that's not needed. Get online and make some phone calls.
 
Who is going to organize this?

In the old days Brunswick had a guy on the road a few weeks ahead of Willie, traveling the route across the country, to get rooms/owners to commit and put up posters. No way that’s happening now.

Lou Figueroa
I’m just brainstorming. But my thought would be to do it in one venue and get some volunteers. Or even make them pay $10 per match to sit in the chair.
 
I’m just brainstorming. But my thought would be to do it in one venue and get some volunteers. Or even make them pay $10 per match to sit in the chair.

Every city has a few people that know how to run events, just put a post up on the different FB pool groups and you'll have all kinds of opportunities.
 
Every city has a few people that know how to run events, just put a post up on the different FB pool groups and you'll have all kinds of opportunities.
I was thinking it might be more economical to do it in a single room to save on travel costs with gas so high right now. But it would be cool to do a traveling exhibition and it’s something that is missing from pro pool these days.
 
Who is going to organize this?

In the old days Brunswick had a guy on the road a few weeks ahead of Willie, traveling the route across the country, to get rooms/owners to commit and put up posters. No way that’s happening now.

Lou Figueroa

Maybe his billionaire buddy that is promoting his high run attempts would do it?

I think any room owner would jump at the chance to have him come play for a couple days. Most local businesses owners know each other so finding a hotel owner to donate/ discount rooms for him and crew wouldn’t be to hard. As for a front man ahead of the player doing promoting and advertising he could easily do all that from home on the phone/internet via social media and most effectively through local pool league operators sending fliers with the paperwork. You could raffle off tickets and draw a half dozen to see who gets to play him a short race in front of everyone. Maybe 25$ get you in for the day with a raffle ticket and for 50$ a picture, autograph and video of his run also. While I’m pretending, have Diamond and taom as sponsors to travel with him and set up a table for him to play on. There are moose,Kc,eagles,VFW,elks lodge clubs all over this country that are sitting empty that could possibly donate space for the production.


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I was thinking it might be more economical to do it in a single room to save on travel costs with gas so high right now. But it would be cool to do a traveling exhibition and it’s something that is missing from pro pool these days.

Yep, one room in each city ;)

I bet a hundred people in my little town would pay to see him shoot live and have an opportunity to play him.


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Absolutely. They just had Earl and Oscar (was supposed to be SVB but his schedule changed) here in Boise and it was full to the brim, what do you think would happen if it was Shaw. Pool is actually doing VERY well right now and there is no doubt, if the pros started doing little shows, people would pay.
 
Maybe his billionaire buddy that is promoting his high run attempts would do it?

I think any room owner would jump at the chance to have him come play for a couple days. Most local businesses owners know each other so finding a hotel owner to donate/ discount rooms for him and crew wouldn’t be to hard. As for a front man ahead of the player doing promoting and advertising he could easily do all that from home on the phone/internet via social media and most effectively through local pool league operators sending fliers with the paperwork. You could raffle off tickets and draw a half dozen to see who gets to play him a short race in front of everyone. Maybe 25$ get you in for the day with a raffle ticket and for 50$ a picture, autograph and video of his run also. While I’m pretending, have Diamond and taom as sponsors to travel with him and set up a table for him to play on. There are moose,Kc,eagles,VFW,elks lodge clubs all over this country that are sitting empty that could possibly donate space for the production.


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Don't be so sure. Room owners are in the pool room business. They don't like shutting down tables even for tournaments.
 
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