Jazz-Window Vines: My christmas gift to me...
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JimBo said:
Now that is a lovely cue
monski said:
Well it's clear it's one of the many over there who try to live off Edwin's good name, but it's also clear it's not Edwin's work. I meant what I said when I said it was clear that it was influenced by him. One thing seems to stand out though the quality doesn't seem to translate, many of the Filipino makers try to make very elaborate cues but Edwin seems to be the only ones that hold up over time. Since you seem to like to find the "new" cuemaker their can you tell me why we don't see any of them just building a solid plain SW style cue? one that just plays good and isn't all about flash? I mean every cue that I see seems to have 400 ivory inlays.
Jim
JimBo said:
Hi, the cue is much prettier in person. The pic is kinda dark coz I took in in poor lighting. The contrast is there. Just wasn't able to have it come out on the pic. I'm glad you see potential. Its not a "normal knock off" as you said. I tried to come up with a nice original concept as best I could but I am not exposed to as many cues as you or the others here. Based on your post it seems that its still somewhat of a knock off. I hope I can be more original on the next cue that's currently in the works. Thanks
JimBo said:
Did not say that its Edwin's work. I did not make any reference to Edwin. You were the one who mentioned him. Anyway, I guess if you worked with someone who has influenced you, it will be reflected in your work right? At the same time Tony says he has different cue building style from Edwin. I think Tony will also say that he does not use Edwin's name. Interested parties can clarify with Tony direct on his cellphone (63916-6806823) as I can't answer for him.
On elaborate filipino cues: Tony and other cue makers make simpler cues. Tony even has a price list for plain and simple cues. I can send this list to anyone who would like to know his pricing scheme. I am in fact asking Tony to build me 2 (1 might be of kingwood and the other olive burl) simple cues that I can just leave in the pool hall I frequent. Anyway I think there is a tendency for filipino cue makers to be elaborate. They do this imo to put in additional value to the cue since they put little value to their labor and materials. Hence it becomes a contest on who has more materials... specially if they are selling to middle class youngsters and newbie pool players who just wanna make an impression. The better makers are different as they put time time into the structure, sealing and finish of the cue. Hence their pricing scheme is also higher. In truth, I see a lot of simpler cues in pool halls over here.
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monski said:
Well again I didn't mean disrespect from my comments, it's just something I've always noticed when I see cues by Linds, or Cueperfect, and your guy there as well as from Edwin, and what I've always found odd about it is that your country is known for the best players and the best from there has always played with the plainest of cues (the Judd) I just think it odd that the market would lend itself to fancy looks rather then a plain great hitting cue. Over here all the kids want to wear what Jordan wears or use the glove that Jeter plays with, plain or fancy it's all about what the stars use, I would think I'd see more plain jane Efren style cues being made and sold there. Also the market for Phillipeno cues in the USA is very weak and if you're trying to sell in a country with a bad economy I would think low end would pay the bills?? What do I know?
Jim
JimBo said:
I just tried to answer as simply as I could. I'm glad you respect the work. I'm sure he'd appreciate it. "Living off Edwin's name" as you stated could be taken differently. Anyway, from what I know Tony promised Edwin that he will not use Edwin's system or name in any sort of marketing.
JimBo said:
No. Tony has respect for Edwin as I said. Its just the circumstance. When Tony decided to be on his own, Edwin talked to Tony that his Japanese partner got worried that Edwin's system will be used by Tony and enter the Japanese market. Tony assured Edwin that this won't happen as he is developing a system of his own. So its because of this that Tony tries to avoid the subject when it is mentioned and he wants people to see his work as a Tony Bautista work. Am not sure how long Tony and the other guys were employed under Edwin.
JimBo said:
Many makers here turn out cues that are sub par and I have stated my theory on that. They put out fancy cues because labor and materials here are relatively cheaper than other places. But the cue ultimately suffers as the preparations required to make a nice hitting and long lasting cue are compromised for the quick buck. The better ones (cuemakers) really know better.
JimBo said:
Cant remember the exact situation but I have mentioned his name before.
JimBo said:
No offense taken. Actually the best players here don't mind aesthetics that much. As I said since things are relatively cheaper, the casual player or newbie just gives in to the tempatation. Overall, many people here like to show off stuff if they can afford to.
Over here all the kids want to wear what Jordan wears or use the glove that Jeter plays with, plain or fancy it's all about what the stars use, I would think I'd see more plain jane Efren style cues being made and sold there. Also the market for Phillipeno cues in the USA is very weak and if you're trying to sell in a country with a bad economy I would think low end would pay the bills?? What do I know?[/QUOTE]
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Yes. We are a market that is very much driven by advertisements. Did you know that we are considered the Billboard country? I'm not trying to sell my Window Vines Cue there. Its my christmas gift to me. Just posting it in the cue gallery.
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