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I don't care if its a group of Christmas elves making it, quality is quality and jb obviously not only has that he instills that in the qualified people that work for them. Speaking of that I'm having some issues with my email seems that I can't reply to Marcel's emails :(
 
I don't care if its a group of Christmas elves making it, quality is quality and jb obviously not only has that he instills that in the qualified people that work for them. Speaking of that I'm having some issues with my email seems that I can't reply to Marcel's emails :(

feel free to try mine jb@jbideas.com or send a pm and i can forward it to Marcel's private account on azb.
 
Thanks, I got the sketch and just want to make a tiny tiny change but not want him to think I'm unhappy or ignoring him
 
Like I said, you have your side, I have mine. I missed all the threads about Ron and his crappy treatment of others though, so I would only put my money on the guy who only gets bought up as a problem by.... you.

Sorry you have me confused with someone else, IF I ever have something Chinese to sell, I'll let you know. To the best of my knowedge I have never sold anything Chinese made in the billiard forums or on the site.

Please prove I have talked up Chinese items when I sold them. Or I'll cry to Mike and have him ask the question.

BTW I'll take the same lie detector test on the same issue. Who cares....

Since this circular argument will go nowhere, you have your side, I have mine. We can just post the particulars about the two that are directly involved. Ron has been complained about on this site, and had how many negative threads started about him, or had anything negative said about him, (Other than you) how many times????? OK Roy... oh well counting deleted threads lets see... oops out of fingers and toes...

JV

no real offer to make Ron Thomas cases was ever made to Ron Thomas. Ever.

I will take a lie detector test and bet everything I can that I pass it about that.

You have lied so many times on so many subjects concerning me it isnt even funny.

Starting with your claimed abhorrence of Chinese made goods.

You have no problem talking them up when you sell them.
 
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Racism, like calling someone of Chinese descent a "chink". I guess we'll have to ask Eric Hu.

American support or lack thereof.. like having little sympathy for Americans who decided after 9/11 to join the armed forces, they believed enough in their country to fight FOR it, because you disagree with the war and hope they are all killed or maimed, or have no sympathy when that happens.

Posts like this post of garbage are why certain people stay on you. You paint one side as a victim, but forget that some people just do not simply agree with you.

It goes beyond cases, and protection.

JV

Plus the MORE that you and the Jack Pack use bigotry, racism, ignorance, stereotype and so on the more you lose support and create sympathy for me. You all forget that this forum is read by people from all over the world. So when you get on an America-first bandwagon and start denigrating other cultures and races just to knock me then you lose the support of all those good people who happen to not be American and not live in America.

And you also lose support from your fellow Americans, many of whom don't share your views, in fact as you mentioned half of the United States does not share your views. So you can fully expect that there will be plenty of readers here who don't hare your views. So it's really best to not try and use hate and bigotry and stereotype (such as saying things like "sweat-shop made") to knock me because plenty of people reading this know better.
 
Like I said, you have your side, I have mine. I missed all the threads about Ron and his crappy treatment of others though, so I would only put my money on the guy who only gets bought up as a problem by.... you.

Sorry you have me confused with someone else, IF I ever have something Chinese to sell, I'll let you know. To the best of my knowedge I have never sold anything Chinese made in the billiard forums or on the site.

Please prove I have talked up Chinese items when I sold them. Or I'll cry to Mike and have him ask the question.

BTW I'll take the same lie detector test on the same issue. Who cares....

Since this circular argument will go nowhere, you have your side, I have mine. We can just post the particulars about the two that are directly involved. Ron has been complained about on this site, and had how many negative threads started about him, or had anything negative said about him, (Other than you) how many times????? OK Roy... oh well counting deleted threads lets see... oops out of fingers and toes...

JV

That's fine, you will lose the lie detector test. We can bet on it. Who cares whether Ron has been complained about or not. Roy has been rude to people, woo hoo, not stolen from anyone, not cheated anyone. And even as big a meanie as he was he still sold hundreds of Ron Thomas cases over the years. How many have you sold? 12?

As for talking up Chinese goods I can find at least two instances where you have favorably reviewed Chinese cases and in one it was directly after your boss bought a bunch of them from me at the SBE. And in the other it was when you favorably reviewed the GTF cases and then tried to claim years later that you had been told you would get compensation for a favorable review (a completely untrue statement).

But it's enough that you would say it proving that if you think that there is something in it you will be ok with Chinese goods. In any event you did a favorable review of the GTF cases which you knew were 100% made in China before doing the review. So if you're such an upstanding and staunch Made in America guy why would you EVER EVER do any kind of review for Chinese made cases?

It should be here for everyone to read http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=989639&postcount=1 but of course you had the thread pulled so no one can read the follow up where you continued to praise the cases.

So if you're not afraid to show the world how you gushed about the CHINESE MADE GTF cases ask Mike to restore the thread.
 
Wrong again, I would win the lie detector test. But we can end this circular argument now. Sold all he supplied to us, except maybe 4 we are keeping but thanks for asking.

Reviewed favorably and sold are very, very different. I can review a German made car, and its has nothing to do with the country of origin, its just an opinion. That is what a review is, an opinion. Again, circular argument avoided. My "boss" owns a pool room and caters to league type players. Although I disagree with some of what he sells, its his place. If he wants to list the remaining cases, yours, on the site, thats also up to him. Him and I are 2 different people.

As far as the GTF thread, I had the thread pulled because of any association people might think I had with Roy. Had nothing to do with the country of origin of the case.


JV

That's fine, you will lose the lie detector test. We can bet on it. Who cares whether Ron has been complained about or not. Roy has been rude to people, woo hoo, not stolen from anyone, not cheated anyone. And even as big a meanie as he was he still sold hundreds of Ron Thomas cases over the years. How many have you sold? 12?

As for talking up Chinese goods I can find at least two instances where you have favorably reviewed Chinese cases and in one it was directly after your boss bought a bunch of them from me at the SBE. And in the other it was when you favorably reviewed the GTF cases and then tried to claim years later that you had been told you would get compensation for a favorable review (a completely untrue statement).

But it's enough that you would say it proving that if you think that there is something in it you will be ok with Chinese goods. In any event you did a favorable review of the GTF cases which you knew were 100% made in China before doing the review. So if you're such an upstanding and staunch Made in America guy why would you EVER EVER do any kind of review for Chinese made cases?

It should be here for everyone to read http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=989639&postcount=1 but of course you had the thread pulled so no one can read the follow up where you continued to praise the cases.

So if you're not afraid to show the world how you gushed about the CHINESE MADE GTF cases ask Mike to restore the thread.
 
Wrong again, I would win the lie detector test. But we can end this circular argument now. Sold all he supplied to us, except maybe 4 we are keeping but thanks for asking.

Reviewed favorably and sold are very, very different. I can review a German made car, and its has nothing to do with the country of origin, its just an opinion. That is what a review is, an opinion. Again, circular argument avoided. My "boss" owns a pool room and caters to league type players. Although I disagree with some of what he sells, its his place. If he wants to list the remaining cases, yours, on the site, thats also up to him. Him and I are 2 different people.

As far as the GTF thread, I had the thread pulled because of any association people might think I had with Roy. Had nothing to do with the country of origin of the case.


JV

Well luckily for you your review is not erased from the web.

You can twist your words all you want but if you were such a staunch "buy American" guy you would have never reviewed the GTF cases for any reason at all.

And you carried the Sterling Wave case around for years, gasp - a Chinese made case. That you also reviewed favorably on AZB.

Like in Casablanca, to paraphrase, 'out of all the cases made in all the towns in the world you had to carry mine'. Made in China, thank you for the years of advertisement.
 
i dont much see how the made in china thing makes a difference im pretty sure this whole thread would be going down the same road if jb made his cases in america
 
Totally agree with RJ.
Also on board with classiccues as far as buying American. I'll pay extra for that every time.
Also I find it funny that a case maker has to dust off his tools to make a case and record it for proof. JB has made cases forever and I don't doubt he remembers how to make one, however if it has been this long perhaps he should call himself a case designer rather than builder. He leaves that to the Chinese girls now. If JB actually made his cases I wouldn't completely rule out buying one but he doesn't.
Whitten for the win!
Just my .02


Whitten's are the nuts. A few years ago I asked Joe if he would make me an all alligator case. He quoted me a very fair price and made it up right on schedule.

Lou Figueroa
 

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Whitten's are the nuts. A few years ago I asked Joe if he would make me an all alligator case. He quoted me a very fair price and made it up right on schedule.

Lou Figueroa

Yes they are very nice. I just sold mine and already regret it.
 
i dont much see how the made in china thing makes a difference im pretty sure this whole thread would be going down the same road if jb made his cases in america

I agree. Made in XXX is a red herring that has been used to deflect from the discussion on the properties of the product. When I was in Germany made in xxx never came up.
 
Racism, like calling someone of Chinese descent a "chink". I guess we'll have to ask Eric Hu.

American support or lack thereof.. like having little sympathy for Americans who decided after 9/11 to join the armed forces, they believed enough in their country to fight FOR it, because you disagree with the war and hope they are all killed or maimed, or have no sympathy when that happens.

Posts like this post of garbage are why certain people stay on you. You paint one side as a victim, but forget that some people just do not simply agree with you.

It goes beyond cases, and protection.

JV

I never called anyone a chink in my life. Nor do I use words like nigger, kike, wop, gook, or any other racial slurs. Just not part of how I use language. Eric Hu is a liar for claiming I called him a chink and is using you to spread that lie.

I don't need and will never need to use race to make my point. Eric played the race card because he is of Asian descent and thought it would get me. No one standing there when Eric and I had words INCLUDING Eric's friend and my friends heard me call Eric a chink.

so you guys can play your games and continue to make shit up but the rest of the world knows better.

I served in the military Joe. I signed up for the right to hold an opinion of the decision to go off and fight in a bogus war AFTER the facts are clear that it is a bogus war. many who have been in Iraq and Afghanistan hold the same opinion as me.

I always have sympathy for people who get hurt, just LESS for people who sign up willingly to put themselves in danger for unjust causes. If Iran and Afghanistan were attacking America then sure, just cause, go fight and defend us. But they did not attack us and the reasons for being there are not legal or moral.

what gets me as long as we are on this subject id how you say all the innocent civilians killed is ok with you. nore than 100,000 iraqi, afghani, and pakistani lives and families destroyed and you have said you don't care.

you're right, between you and i it is most definitely NOT about the cases because we both know that when we are friendly with each other you have no problem buying, using and selling our cases. As a human you represent the worst of our kind, willing to kill by remote control and be joyous over it.
 
Thats your story, we know how they end up. You use race all the time, and the whole world does know better.

As far as your opinion of the war, good for you. However these kids who join to defend the freedom that allows you to make stupid statements, deserve better than that. They obviously didn't find the cause unjust to join, and defend the nation that they hold dear. Sure some have opinions after they join, because there are some that join and when the crap hits the fan, they just aren't cut out for combat.

The 3000 casualties we had on 9/11 of innocent civilians is the only important number of the war.

Stop with this friendly BS and lies. Mark my partner, bought a handful of cases at some ridiculous discout so you wouldn't have to ship them back. I do not sell them, they are for his league players, and I could give a crap less. I will never sell you crap, take it in trade, or do anything else less piss on them.

As an exploiter of the human condition, you have no standing to judge anyone else in regards to that matter.

JV

I never called anyone a chink in my life. Nor do I use words like nigger, kike, wop, gook, or any other racial slurs. Just not part of how I use language. Eric Hu is a liar for claiming I called him a chink and is using you to spread that lie.

I don't need and will never need to use race to make my point. Eric played the race card because he is of Asian descent and thought it would get me. No one standing there when Eric and I had words INCLUDING Eric's friend and my friends heard me call Eric a chink.

so you guys can play your games and continue to make shit up but the rest of the world knows better.

I served in the military Joe. I signed up for the right to hold an opinion of the decision to go off and fight in a bogus war AFTER the facts are clear that it is a bogus war. many who have been in Iraq and Afghanistan hold the same opinion as me.

I always have sympathy for people who get hurt, just LESS for people who sign up willingly to put themselves in danger for unjust causes. If Iran and Afghanistan were attacking America then sure, just cause, go fight and defend us. But they did not attack us and the reasons for being there are not legal or moral.

what gets me as long as we are on this subject id how you say all the innocent civilians killed is ok with you. nore than 100,000 iraqi, afghani, and pakistani lives and families destroyed and you have said you don't care.

you're right, between you and i it is most definitely NOT about the cases because we both know that when we are friendly with each other you have no problem buying, using and selling our cases. As a human you represent the worst of our kind, willing to kill by remote control and be joyous over it.
 
Thats your story, we know how they end up. You use race all the time, and the whole world does know better.

How do I USE race Joe? Please give me an example of how I USE race for anything positive or negative? If I play the race card. then I am unaware of it and would like you to point out exactly where you think I have.

As for Eric Hu, sorry but I was yelling at him and neither of my friends heard me call him a "chink" in fact no one on the entire planet can ever tell you that I called anyone a chink. I don't even use words like that in jokes with my friends even when I am needling them about stereotypes. And it's not because I think I can't or shouldn't be able to call my asian friends chinks in the right joking context just like they could call me a cracker or honky if messing around with me. The reason I don't use those words Joe is simply because I never developed the habit of using them, I never thought to call any black person a nigger, never understood why an italian should be called a wop, or any other similar type of name. I also don't typically call someone a retard either for the same reason.

Eric Hu is simply a liar. That's my story and back to the lie detector there is NO CHANCE that he would pass that the test if question. But I would easily pass it. The fact is that all you can do to knock me is use hearsay, Ron Thomas said I did that, Eric Hu said I did this...... etc..


As far as your opinion of the war, good for you. However these kids who join to defend the freedom that allows you to make stupid statements, deserve better than that. They obviously didn't find the cause unjust to join, and defend the nation that they hold dear. Sure some have opinions after they join, because there are some that join and when the crap hits the fan, they just aren't cut out for combat.

Stop making it sound like everyone who joins the military is doing it for wide-eyed idealism. The vast majority sign up for a paycheck because they don't have a lot of other options. And when they know that the job will be to go to Iraq or Afghansitan where the will probably be involved in killing others they are essentially signing up to murder on behalf of the United States government. So when someone signs up voluntarily to go kill people for pay I don't have as much sympathy for them if they get hurt as I would if they were conscripted. If the "war" was a just war then I'd be 100% in support of people who volunteer to put their life on the line. As it stands I withhold a LITTLE bit of of support because of the circumstances. No where does it say that every American has to be 100% behind the soldiers carrying out there murders for the US government.

The fact is Joe that there are a lot of people who are cut out for combat who are disgusted that they are being asked to be in danger for this war. Thy don't believe in the mission AT ALL but do believe in doing the job they signed up for and being there for their buddies as best they can.

What our military and country deserves is to have every last soldier pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan immediately.

The 3000 casualties we had on 9/11 of innocent civilians is the only important number of the war.

Is it? See here you go again, a criminal organization managed to gain control of three planes despite the fact that our government and airline industry was negligent in providing the basic security measures that would have prevented it, impregnable cockpit doors, and because of that 3000 people died and the result is hundreds of thousands more innocents have died at our hands. Why don't you hold your own government accountable for the fact that psychopathic criminals with box cutters were even ABLE to hijack and take control of jet airliners?

No instead your response is let's go kill them all, all those "Muslims", kill them all. Doesn't matter how many are killed in retaliation, kill them all, nuke them, drone strike them, murder them, kill them all. When is it enough Joe? And on top of it another 3000 Americans are dead because of this, thousands more maimed,hundreds of thousands scarred for life psychologically.

When is it enough?

I love America way more than you ever will. I love it enough to want to see it loved by the world and not hated. I want to see it respected for it's leadership and not feared because of it's ability to reach out and kill by remote control. I love America so much I want it to honor the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and not become a quasi-police state where everyone lives in fear and acquiesces to every invasion of privacy and every restriction of movement in the name of security.

"He that gives up a little liberty for a little security deserves neither", Benjamin Franklin.


Stop with this friendly BS and lies. Mark my partner, bought a handful of cases at some ridiculous discout so you wouldn't have to ship them back. I do not sell them, they are for his league players, and I could give a crap less. I will never sell you crap, take it in trade, or do anything else less piss on them.

Are you going to say you were not friendly to me at the SBE in 2010? We had a conversation and laughed about AZB. I spent time at your booth and your showed me some Engles and Fellini cases. Later at the end of the show I approached you when Sterling asked me to find someone who might be interested in taking the remaining Wave cases. You asked Mark and then came and told me to bring them over. Then AFTER Mark bought them you praised the cases on the forum. No one asked you to do that. And on top of it you carried one of the Wave cases around for years. Not exactly the actions of an unfriendly staunch "buy American" type person.

You sound awfully frustrated? Does it bother you to be caught in lies? The fact is that many times in the years past we have shook hands at shows and been friendly and cool with each other and almost every single time you have gone back to attacking me shortly after the show was over. The one exception was when Mark bought a bunch of Sterling Wave cases. You praised those cases on AZB and waited someone longer to begin your attacks.

As an exploiter of the human condition, you have no standing to judge anyone else in regards to that matter.

JV

Really, an exploiter of the human condition? What condition would that be Joe? Do you somehow think that Chinese people are dying in the streets from starvation and I show up with a whip and a biscuit?

The people who work for me own property, have cars, motorcycles, Iphones, and live better than I do for the most part. My head seamstress after working for me for three years just bought her first house. My first tooler saved enough after three years to build a house and create a studio and now he employees several people making leather goods. Anyone is free to come and go as they please in my shop and they do.

This is the kind of nonsense and fake concern for the Chinese that I find reprehensible. On one hand you claim wrongly that I am exploiting poor Chinese people but on the other hand you would cut them off from trade and investment and thus subject them to abject poverty and very real famine. And furthermore you said with conviction that you would gladly kill ten million Chinese people instantly if it meant you could have full employment in the United States.

So the only one doing any exploiting here is you. And what you are exploiting is people's ignorance and fear of "China" and exploiting stereotypes all just to knock me.

BECAUSE

You have NEVER knocked Jack Justis for making stuff in China. Never said he is exploiting the "human condition", never said he uses child labor, never said he uses slave labor, never called him a murderer for operating in China. Nor did you apply any of that to your "boss" Mark for buying and selling Chinese made products.

The flat fact is that your actions and your words don't match and to me that makes you a phony all the way around. Your moral positions have more bends than the Kama Sutra. I am sure that if we were friends then you would be pushing my cases more than anyone else on this forum.
 
I'm a liar?? Joe's a liar...she's a liar...he's a liar...Maybe, *John Barton is a liar* ? Ever notice that everyone's a liar BUT you? And, so many ppl all spreading lies about poor Johnny.

Listen, for the record, the slur was "chink nit". My friend mentioned that with all the yelling and commotion, he wasn't sure he heard you say that, but that doesn't mean you didn't. MY WIFE heard it, though. I'll tell you why I believe her- she doesn't play Pool, doesn't know the jargon and had to ask me what a "nit" was. How does someone that doesn't know a term/jargon, make up something using that term??

Also, for the record, I don't need some pathetic "play the race card" move with you, Johnny (or anyone). I've done well for myself, in life, without any need for the race card, why start now?? That is just some JB kooky spin, to deflect the issue. Par for the course, with you.


Eric >wonders if JB has issues with his "chink wife" and "half chink daughters"

I never called anyone a chink in my life. Nor do I use words like nigger, kike, wop, gook, or any other racial slurs. Just not part of how I use language. Eric Hu is a liar for claiming I called him a chink and is using you to spread that lie.

I don't need and will never need to use race to make my point. Eric played the race card because he is of Asian descent and thought it would get me. No one standing there when Eric and I had words INCLUDING Eric's friend and my friends heard me call Eric a chink.

so you guys can play your games and continue to make shit up but the rest of the world knows better.

I served in the military Joe. I signed up for the right to hold an opinion of the decision to go off and fight in a bogus war AFTER the facts are clear that it is a bogus war. many who have been in Iraq and Afghanistan hold the same opinion as me.

I always have sympathy for people who get hurt, just LESS for people who sign up willingly to put themselves in danger for unjust causes. If Iran and Afghanistan were attacking America then sure, just cause, go fight and defend us. But they did not attack us and the reasons for being there are not legal or moral.

what gets me as long as we are on this subject id how you say all the innocent civilians killed is ok with you. nore than 100,000 iraqi, afghani, and pakistani lives and families destroyed and you have said you don't care.

you're right, between you and i it is most definitely NOT about the cases because we both know that when we are friendly with each other you have no problem buying, using and selling our cases. As a human you represent the worst of our kind, willing to kill by remote control and be joyous over it.
 
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