Jerry Rauenzahn

runscott said:
I wasn't making a socio-economic statement. I am soaking up whatever I can learn on this forum, but if I get to rub my thumbs over the points on a few more expensive cues, I'll have a better idea of what quality workmanship is.


Ok, maybe I wasn't clear in my post. If you touch another cue or not, you shouldn't feel points or inlays threw the finish. I don't care if the cue is $5 or $5,000. Now I hope you learned something and I hope something comes from it (like ask the maker to fix it). I can tell you one thing your comments tell me all I need to know about this guy's cues.

Jim
 
JimBo said:
Ok, maybe I wasn't clear in my post. If you touch another cue or not, you shouldn't feel points or inlays threw the finish. I don't care if the cue is $5 or $5,000. Now I hope you learned something and I hope something comes from it (like ask the maker to fix it). I can tell you one thing your comments tell me all I need to know about this guy's cues.

Jim
Thanks. As I said, I have no plans to send the cue back to the maker - it's a great cue and I'm glad my comments are helping you as well.
 
runscott said:
Thanks. As I said, I have no plans to send the cue back to the maker - it's a great cue and I'm glad my comments are helping you as well.


Good luck in life.

Jim
 
JimBo said:
Good luck in life.

Jim
Jim, seriously - what's your problem? I don't visit this forum to get flamed - it's a place to discuss pool with others who are interested in the sport. I certainly don't need an internet flamer giving me advice about "my life". I'd wish you the same, but I really couldn't care less.
 
runscott said:
Jim, seriously - what's your problem? I don't visit this forum to get flamed - it's a place to discuss pool with others who are interested in the sport. I certainly don't need an internet flamer giving me advice about "my life". I'd wish you the same, but I really couldn't care less.


That's just mean.

Jim
 
So, guys, your opinion. How did I do?
$405 on EBAY got me the following:
2 Rauenzahn used but hopefully in good shape cues.
Both GREEN butts. One plain, 1 with 4 ebony points
and a leather wrap.
Also, 2 by 4 hard case- cheap I assume.
Haven't received yet but I'm curious about
how this deal sounds to you folks. Thanks.
 
hondo said:
So, guys, your opinion. How did I do?
$405 on EBAY got me the following:
2 Rauenzahn used but hopefully in good shape cues.
Both GREEN butts. One plain, 1 with 4 ebony points
and a leather wrap.
Also, 2 by 4 hard case- cheap I assume.
Haven't received yet but I'm curious about
how this deal sounds to you folks. Thanks.
I think you did good - the cues will play great. The only thing that concerned me about that auction was the funky green color of the cues - the pics weren't clear enough. Also, you can get Jerry to make an ivory-ferrule shaft at a very reasonable price.
 
runscott said:
I think you did good - the cues will play great. The only thing that concerned me about that auction was the funky green color of the cues - the pics weren't clear enough. Also, you can get Jerry to make an ivory-ferrule shaft at a very reasonable price.

Thanks for the response. I'm a little jittery about this
deal too. I'll let everybody know how it turns out.
 
runscott said:
I might sound ignorant here, so bear with me...I showed my 4-point Rauenzahn to a collector of high-end cues, noting that you could "feel" the points, whereas you can't on some cues. He said that meant that it was done by hand, not CNC, and that it was a very well-made cue.

Your "collector of high-end cue friend" should have told you that the inlays or points have popped. It doesn't mean if it was done by CNC or hand-made. And a CNC-cue can be just as well made as a hand-made cue. If anything, a popped point might indicate a poorly made hand-made cue.

Not a good sign, but might be saved by a refinish. Hopefully the glue joints haven't failed. You'll hear and feel a buzz if that happens.

Good luck,

Fred
 
Fred Agnir said:
Your "collector of high-end cue friend" should have told you that the inlays or points have popped. It doesn't mean if it was done by CNC or hand-made. And a CNC-cue can be just as well made as a hand-made cue. If anything, a popped point might indicate a poorly made hand-made cue.

Not a good sign, but might be saved by a refinish. Hopefully the glue joints haven't failed. You'll hear and feel a buzz if that happens.

Good luck,

Fred
Fred, thanks. I apologize if you read my "since deleted" posts - I took your comments out of context.

I was directed to another collector who checked the cue and said that there was definitely a problem - he suggested that possibly the previous owner had left it in a hot car, but I have no idea. I'm not sure why the first guy didn't think it was a problem, but like I said, this is an area I know nothing about - so I'm learning.

To Hondo - one of your cues has points, so check them out when you get it, and give us some feedback as to whether or not they have "popped".
 
hondo said:
So, guys, your opinion. How did I do?
$405 on EBAY got me the following:
2 Rauenzahn used but hopefully in good shape cues.
Both GREEN butts. One plain, 1 with 4 ebony points
and a leather wrap.
Also, 2 by 4 hard case- cheap I assume.
Haven't received yet but I'm curious about
how this deal sounds to you folks. Thanks.
Hondo, one last comment - since I've spoken strongly in favor of Jerry's cues on this thread, if you have a problem with the two you won on ebay, email me and unless it's a seller-related description problem, you can send the items you won to me and I'll pay your bid plus shipping. I'll probably put them back on ebay eventually or sell to friends, but I don't want anyone thinking I'm BS'ing.

I'm 'runscott' on ebay, so I think if you check my feedback you should feel comfortable dealing with me.
 
runscott said:
I'm not sure why the first guy didn't think it was a problem, but like I said, this is an area I know nothing about - so I'm learning.

Better to learn this now, not after you've spent thousands of dollars no a high-end cue. Right?

Fred
 
Fred Agnir said:
Better to learn this now, not after you've spent thousands of dollars no a high-end cue. Right?

Fred
Exactly, which is why I appreciate so much the advice you guys are giving.
 
runscott said:
Exactly, which is why I appreciate so much the advice you guys are giving.


Why do I put myself through this? I really don't get this guy.

Jim
 
Thanks, I appreciate your offer.


runscott said:
Hondo, one last comment - since I've spoken strongly in favor of Jerry's cues on this thread, if you have a problem with the two you won on ebay, email me and unless it's a seller-related description problem, you can send the items you won to me and I'll pay your bid plus shipping. I'll probably put them back on ebay eventually or sell to friends, but I don't want anyone thinking I'm BS'ing.

I'm 'runscott' on ebay, so I think if you check my feedback you should feel comfortable dealing with me.
 
runscott said:
Jim, no one wants to hear advice that comes with a virtual kick in the crotch.


I'm sure that's true, but you on the other hand has proven that you just don't have an ability for any advice or the capacity to learn a thing. Nobody kicked you anywhere, and worse then that nobody has taught you a thing. So just for my own sanity I'm going to go over what I know to be the facts here.
1) You have no clue about cues and don't care to learn anything about them (unless of course you are going to buy more expensive ones, and then and only then do you plan to learn anything).

2) Many people here (not just me) have told you that your cue is "not right".

3) For some reason you still love the cue and the guy who made it, and you'd buy more if you had the chance, even though many have told you it's defective.

4) Even though people said you should send it back you have decided that you will never send it back, even though it's been brought up that he may stand behind his work and repair it free of charge.

5) You're mad at me because I said you should learn as much as possible no matter what price the cue is you are buying and that learning and asking questions is free.

To be honest I believe you to be a shill or a moron, it's not my advice or the way I put it out there that has bothered you, it's everyone since from day 1 you have chosen to ignore everyone, even though you have already admitted your ignorance on the subject matter. As I've already said have a nice life, you seem like the type of person that is too closed minded to ever expand your horizon’s and learn a thing, yet you're the first one to sing the praises of someone about something you have no clue about. I happen to love when inlays, rings and worse of all points pop out of my cues, If I ever bought a cue and had this happen I'd call the guy right up and get back on his list. I think 3-D cues are under appreciated ;-}

Jim
 
JimBo said:
I'm sure that's true, but you on the other hand has proven that you just don't have an ability for any advice or the capacity to learn a thing. Nobody kicked you anywhere, and worse then that nobody has taught you a thing. So just for my own sanity I'm going to go over what I know to be the facts here.
1) You have no clue about cues and don't care to learn anything about them (unless of course you are going to buy more expensive ones, and then and only then do you plan to learn anything).

2) Many people here (not just me) have told you that your cue is "not right".

3) For some reason you still love the cue and the guy who made it, and you'd buy more if you had the chance, even though many have told you it's defective.

4) Even though people said you should send it back you have decided that you will never send it back, even though it's been brought up that he may stand behind his work and repair it free of charge.

5) You're mad at me because I said you should learn as much as possible no matter what price the cue is you are buying and that learning and asking questions is free.

To be honest I believe you to be a shill or a moron, it's not my advice or the way I put it out there that has bothered you, it's everyone since from day 1 you have chosen to ignore everyone, even though you have already admitted your ignorance on the subject matter. As I've already said have a nice life, you seem like the type of person that is too closed minded to ever expand your horizon’s and learn a thing, yet you're the first one to sing the praises of someone about something you have no clue about. I happen to love when inlays, rings and worse of all points pop out of my cues, If I ever bought a cue and had this happen I'd call the guy right up and get back on his list. I think 3-D cues are under appreciated ;-}

Jim

Jim, I'm going to respond to your comments.

1. First, when someone asks a question, responding with "you have no clue" the "kick in the crotch" I was referring to earlier - JMO. Obviously, I DO want advice, or I wouldn't have asked for it. My request for advice had nothing to do with any plans to buy "an expensive cue", so your comment makes no sense. It made sense to me to get someone to actually hold the cue and look at it, in ADDITION to asking questions on this forum - I took it to someone who collects high-end cues, because it made sense to me that he would have good advice. It sounds like I was wrong about this.

2. You are right, several have told me this, the most recent being Fred. If you don't understand why I appreciate his advice, and question yours, then go back and re-read his response. I have also found positive posts in this forum regarding Rauenzahn's work, especially from "Shorty" and "Bamacues" - Knowing none of you, why should I completely ignore there opinions?

3. Yes, I love my cue - it hits great and is beautiful, but as I described, I can feel the points, and as others have responded, this "isn't right". No I don't "love" the maker of this cue, but I do like the two that I own. Would I buy more? Yes. Other board members (Bamacues, Shorty to name two) have given Jerry's cues great reviews, so it's possible that mine is an anomaly.

4. Where in heck did you come up with this? Never? I don't have plans to send it back because I'm playing with it daily and the points problem isn't bothering me - I simply wanted to understand the problem. I may eventually send it back, but I seriously doubt it. Probably would only happen if I order an additional shaft, in which case he would need the butt anyway.

5. I'm not mad at you - flaming is a common feature of internet forums and I know that if I'm going to participate, I've got to expect a few people like you. I also know that most people are completely different in person, so it's no big deal.

Your last paragraph is just a pile of insults, but I'll address some of it. First of all, some might consider me a moron for even responding to you. Shill? Where did you get that? My ebay seller id is "runscott", my bidder id is "a_clever_base_ballist". Do your homework - check the recent Rauenzahn auctions and look for my bids...you won't find many (if any) except on the one I bought. I offered to buy Hondo's for reasons already explained in my original reply to his post. I thought this was a good thing.

Close-minded? Why in hell am I posting on this forum where I'm getting flamed, if I was too close-minded to want to learn? I think I've gotten all the information I'm going to from this thread, and I have nothing further to add. If you feel like more arguing, do it by email - this just makes both of us look like children.
 
Jim. If you are ever in the Atlanta area look me up - send an advance email and we'll play pool. I get along with about everyone I know in person and I'm certain none of them consider me a moron, but these internet arguments happen. I apologize for firing you up - If I had it to do over again, I'd just say "okay, thanks for the advice."
 
JimBo said:


4) Even though people said you should send it back you have decided that you will never send it back, even though it's been brought up that he may stand behind his work and repair it free of charge.


Okay, just to show I AM listening, and heeding your advice, I just called Jerry and I'm sending the butt back for him to refinish. At the risk of being labeled a moron, let me ask this - since this cue is second-hand, is it possible that the previous owner could have exposed it to heat or moisture? (left it in a hot car, etc.) And if so, could this have caused the points to come out a small amount?

But, no, I don't want to send the cue back - I play almost daily and this is my playing cue, but it's going out in tomorrow's mail :(
 
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