JoeyA at Space City Open

JoeyA - I played you the next morning on the corner table. The only thing that kept you from beating me was the TD constantly on the loudspeaker. You play a great game.


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On a couple of your harder shots, you tend to jump up a little bit. On your break, work on your timing more. It looks like it feels awkward to you, and it looks like it is throwing your accuracy off a little bit.

You have some idiosyncrasies to your stroke, like the warmup strokes before you are even all the way down, but it doesn't appear to be affecting your stroke at all at this time.

Overall, looked pretty good. A few things you can work on. At 6:50 in the video, you are shooting the five. A little later you are shooting the 8. On both, your speed control was a ways off. Too far off the 5, and half a table off when shooting the 8. Might want to do some drills on speed control on those type of shots.

At 9:05, on the bank shot on the 1. You lost control a little of your fundamentals and bobbed up a little. It caused you to hit the cb a little too high, and you lost your preferred position on the 2. On those tougher shots, maintain your confidence. Don't shoot until you have it. When doubting, is when things like bobbing up creep in due to anticipation of what the outcome will be. Always try and know what the outcome will be, and then just be pleasantly surprised when it is different from what you envisioned.

There's a few things for you to work on. Good job though!
 
Joey, I noticed your backstroke is often quick with no pause. You make it work pretty well...

Nice shootin'.

pj
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MikeF said:
Which one are you in the video?
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I'm the slightly older guy. ;-)
JoeyA

HoustonInt said:
JoeyA - I played you the next morning on the corner table. The only thing that kept you from beating me was the TD constantly on the loudspeaker. You play a great game.

Thanks but you played great. The Women's Calcutta was in full swing and the speaker system was working great. Lol I just have to learn to handle that type of stuff. You handled it and me pretty good. :wink:

BTW, that 4 pack you put on Jamie Baraks to win that match was pretty spectacular. :D

JoeyA

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Neil said:
On a couple of your harder shots, you tend to jump up a little bit. On your break, work on your timing more. It looks like it feels awkward to you, and it looks like it is throwing your accuracy off a little bit.

You have some idiosyncrasies to your stroke, like the warmup strokes before you are even all the way down, but it doesn't appear to be affecting your stroke at all at this time.

Overall, looked pretty good. A few things you can work on. At 6:50 in the video, you are shooting the five. A little later you are shooting the 8. On both, your speed control was a ways off. Too far off the 5, and half a table off when shooting the 8. Might want to do some drills on speed control on those type of shots.

At 9:05, on the bank shot on the 1. You lost control a little of your fundamentals and bobbed up a little. It caused you to hit the cb a little too high, and you lost your preferred position on the 2. On those tougher shots, maintain your confidence. Don't shoot until you have it. When doubting, is when things like bobbing up creep in due to anticipation of what the outcome will be. Always try and know what the outcome will be, and then just be pleasantly surprised when it is different from what you envisioned.

There's a few things for you to work on. Good job though!
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WOW! Excellent Neil. That was what I was hoping for. I will go back and compare.

JoeyA

Patrick Johnson said:
Joey, I noticed your backstroke is often quick with no pause. You make it work pretty well...

Nice shootin'.

pj
chgo
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I need to slow down my backstroke for sure. Thanks for the reminder. Back to the practice table.
JoeyA
 
The last couple of days I have been watching the Mosconi Cup and haven't looked at this video except for posting it here for some feedback.

I've only watched 13 minutes and it is unbelievable how quick my back stroke is with little or no pause. And I thought I was developing a slow backswing and a smooth transition from back to front.

This video tells a completely different story and I don't like what it is telling me.

When I watch the better players, they NEVER look even close to this.

I'm going to try and correct that and possibly record myself in the future to see if I in fact have or can change it. The fast backswing with little or no pause really looks very amateurish.

JoeyA

Patrick Johnson said:
Joey, I noticed your backstroke is often quick with no pause. You make it work pretty well...

Nice shootin'.

pj
chgo
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JoeyA said:
LiveStreamer, Zack Goldsmith recorded this unbeknownst to me. Thought you guys would get a kick out of critiquing my play.

http://spacecityopen.com/joey-aguzin-vs-jacob-watson-9-ball/

And I am VERY SERIOUS about wanting ANY GOOD suggestions that you might have to improve my game.

Thanks in advance and thank you Zack.

JoeyA
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On the break, looks like you have a lot of movement. I thought you are getting up quick and not because you had to. IMO, if you are going to have a rising movement it should translate to generating power (weight shift). Movement = giving up accuracy. You can see this in different breaks. First one, cue ball goes left. 2nd, cue ball to the right. 3rd break, cue ball has a lot of English.

Seems most pros are shooting for something on the break (wing ball, one in the side). At the very least keep the cue ball in center table. Could help to try practicing making the wing ball and controlling the one ball and cue ball. I know easier said than done (we all can't break like Donnie Mills :) ) . Have a plan for the break other than make a ball and hope you have a shot.

If you don't have it, the break speed app could help. You can see what speed you hit with your normal break and what the speed is with a controlled break. Then work back from controlled to more power with accuracy.
 
Another great suggestion! Thanks! FTR, I have never broken great but you're right on all points. It seems however that when I do try to hit the cue ball with more accuracy, I hit it with less speed but I haven't been using the speed app either so I don't really know for sure.

JoeyA

daphish1 said:
On the break, looks like you have a lot of movement. I thought you are getting up quick and not because you had to. IMO, if you are going to have a rising movement it should translate to generating power (weight shift). Movement = giving up accuracy. You can see this in different breaks. First one, cue ball goes left. 2nd, cue ball to the right. 3rd break, cue ball has a lot of English.

Seems most pros are shooting for something on the break (wing ball, one in the side). At the very least keep the cue ball in center table. Could help to try practicing making the wing ball and controlling the one ball and cue ball. I know easier said than done (we all can't break like Donnie Mills :) ) . Have a plan for the break other than make a ball and hope you have a shot.

If you don't have it, the break speed app could help. You can see what speed you hit with your normal break and what the speed is with a controlled break. Then work back from controlled to more power with accuracy.
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Nevermind how you look at the table. Looking good don't get the cheese. You probably just speed up under pressure anyhow. If you video again, make sure it's in a tournament or playing banks with Jay. :)...Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
Nevermind how you look at the table. Looking good don't get the cheese. You probably just speed up under pressure anyhow. If you video again, make sure it's in a tournament or playing banks with Jay. :)...Johnnyt
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I knew you would want to stake me Johnnyt. How much do you want me to play Jay for? :D

JoeyA
 
Like one of my old golf teachers used to say, "What you feel is not real!" Video is always a great reality check.
 
JoeyA said:
The last couple of days I have been watching the Mosconi Cup and haven't looked at this video except for posting it here for some feedback.

I've only watched 13 minutes and it is unbelievable how quick my back stroke is with little or no pause. And I thought I was developing a slow backswing and a smooth transition from back to front.

This video tells a completely different story and I don't like what it is telling me.

When I watch the better players, they NEVER look even close to this.

I'm going to try and correct that and possibly record myself in the future to see if I in fact have or can change it. The fast backswing with little or no pause really looks very amateurish.

JoeyA
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It's not an easy or trivial thing to change your stroke timing. One thing that helped me was to think of the pause at the back of the final stroke as the moment I give myself to fully focus my concentration on the shot stroke. This turned out to be not only helpful in making me incorporate the pause, but also in helping me focus more intently.

Interestingly, my speed control seems to be the biggest beneficiary.

pj
chgo
 
JoeyA said:
LiveStreamer, Zack Goldsmith recorded this unbeknownst to me. Thought you guys would get a kick out of critiquing my play.

http://spacecityopen.com/joey-aguzin-vs-jacob-watson-9-ball/

And I am VERY SERIOUS about wanting ANY GOOD suggestions that you might have to improve my game.

Thanks in advance and thank you Zack.

JoeyA
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Joey,

I'm guessing you really want feedback, so I will take the time share my thoughts.

Great video friend. You obviously play good. I do have one thing that I think you could think about. Twice with ball in hand you chose to take back cut angles on balls that were semi-close to the rail. It was from the one to the two (where you had to go across the other side of the table in your first game I believe)… and later the one (or two) to the three (You actually hung the three on the back cut). Since you played position to that angle twice with ball in hand I'm guessing its a habit or intentional choice.

My suggestion…. I think most top players would have played both of those balls from the angle to the middle of the table instead of the back cut. On the first shot you took, the straight across tangent line is the most predictable/controllable angle on the table and all you have to do is pocket and speed control, it would get you on the 4 perfectly and is very repeatable. On the second shot, shooting from the center of the table gives you more options with the cue ball and is a shot that you can/take set up more often. In other words, master that shot (which you probably have) and use it every time you can from the center. Its also easier to get to the center of the table repeatably than the off angles you need for back cuts etc… I also think that the back cut shot is one of the most commonly missed balls because your eyes go away from the pocket and players tend to over cut this ball at times (exactly like you did in the video). The shot from the center of the table is a natural half/ball shot and tends to role in instead of out if you hit the rail because of the angle difference.

Good luck friend!
 
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I went to the pool room today to try changing the speed of my backswing along with increasing the pause and it didn't work out so good.

I'll try and give your Jedi mental exercise a go.

JoeyA


Patrick Johnson said:
It's not an easy or trivial thing to change your stroke timing. One thing that helped me was to think of the pause at the back of the final stroke as the moment I give myself to fully focus my concentration on the shot stroke. This turned out to be not only helpful in making me incorporate the pause, but also in helping me focus more intently.

Interestingly, my speed control seems to be the biggest beneficiary.

pj
chgo
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Professor,
I sure do want good suggestions and you stated your case rather well. I will go back and try to find the shots you are referring to. I think I'm going to have to get TapTalk so I can view these suggestions when I am at the pool room working on my game.

THANKS A LOT.

JoeyA

the Professor said:
Joey,

I'm guessing you really want feedback, so I will take the time share my thoughts.

Great video friend. You obviously play good. I do have one thing that I think you could think about. Twice with ball in hand you chose to take back cut angles on balls that were semi-close to the rail. It was from the one to the two (where you had to go across the other side of the table in your first game I believe)… and later the one (or two) to the three (You actually hung the three on the back cut). Since you played position to that angle twice with ball in hand I'm guessing its a habit or intentional choice.

My suggestion…. I think most top players would have played both of those balls from the angle to the middle of the table instead of the back cut. On the first shot you took, the straight across tangent line is the most predictable/controllable angle on the table and all you have to do is pocket and speed control, it would get you on the 4 perfectly and is very repeatable. On the second shot, shooting from the center of the table gives you more options with the cue ball and is a shot that you can/take set up more often. In other words, master that shot (which you probably have) and use it every time you can from the center. Its also easier to get to the center of the table repeatably than the off angles you need for back cuts etc… I also think that the back cut shot is one of the most commonly missed balls because your eyes go away from the pocket and players tend to over cut this ball at times (exactly like you did in the video). The shot from the center of the table is a natural half/ball shot and tends to role in instead of out if you hit the rail because of the angle difference.

Good luck friend!
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I have had mixed results with this but I am going to stick with this for a while or longer. I have had some particularly exceptional matches in the last couple of days. Occasionally, I have had the "What the fvck just happened?" but overall, I like the way you explained and shared the pause.

Thanks,
JoeyA


Patrick Johnson said:
It's not an easy or trivial thing to change your stroke timing. One thing that helped me was to think of the pause at the back of the final stroke as the moment I give myself to fully focus my concentration on the shot stroke. This turned out to be not only helpful in making me incorporate the pause, but also in helping me focus more intently.

Interestingly, my speed control seems to be the biggest beneficiary.

pj
chgo
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I tried this AND YOU ARE RIGHT! I don't know what came over me or why I would shoot those back cuts like that. :D

JoeyA


the Professor said:
Joey,

I'm guessing you really want feedback, so I will take the time share my thoughts.

Great video friend. You obviously play good. I do have one thing that I think you could think about. Twice with ball in hand you chose to take back cut angles on balls that were semi-close to the rail. It was from the one to the two (where you had to go across the other side of the table in your first game I believe)… and later the one (or two) to the three (You actually hung the three on the back cut). Since you played position to that angle twice with ball in hand I'm guessing its a habit or intentional choice.

My suggestion…. I think most top players would have played both of those balls from the angle to the middle of the table instead of the back cut. On the first shot you took, the straight across tangent line is the most predictable/controllable angle on the table and all you have to do is pocket and speed control, it would get you on the 4 perfectly and is very repeatable. On the second shot, shooting from the center of the table gives you more options with the cue ball and is a shot that you can/take set up more often. In other words, master that shot (which you probably have) and use it every time you can from the center. Its also easier to get to the center of the table repeatably than the off angles you need for back cuts etc… I also think that the back cut shot is one of the most commonly missed balls because your eyes go away from the pocket and players tend to over cut this ball at times (exactly like you did in the video). The shot from the center of the table is a natural half/ball shot and tends to role in instead of out if you hit the rail because of the angle difference.

Good luck friend!
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