John Barton us open ban

[JB Cases]

I have been trying to take the high road and not saying anything. However, it's time for me to respond.

well, somehow I missed that you actually showed up to respond. The high road huh? You flat out filed a false police report accusing me of something I did not do and then used that FALSE report to attempt to blackball me from the shows. You were successful at getting me removed from the US Open and the APA singles. Where was the "high road" when months later AFTER no charges were filed you still attempted to get me kicked out of the APA Teams on the first day. You WERE explicity told that you were to leave me alone. I was told the same and your name did not escape my lips as we had the best first day EVER. Despite that you sent the hotel police to my booth and told them that I assaulted you and had been barred from another casino. Why they bothered to care about your "story" is a mystery but they did attempt to "perp-walk" me out until I asked them to verify with the APA that I was absolutely allowed to be there. They did and that was that. The next day the APA apologized to me about your behavior.

Yes, Detective Edge of Metro PD closed the case due to insufficient evidence. This happens all the time to much, much more serious crimes/allegations. I was disappointed, but the decision was made.

Key words INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE - aka ZERO evidence. You had NO VISIBLE MARK on you because you were not touched.

The building owner/manager refused to release the camera surveillance video because he didn't want to get dragged into an Illegal Gambling activity on his property. Supposedly what we were doing was illegal gambling, according to the building owner and the person in the law office.

That is BULLSHIT. We were not gambling. We went and spoke with the building manager about getting the video if any existed and we were told that they didn't want to be involved and we would need to produce a court order to get the video. The person in the law office didn't say that we were gambling illegally and offered to help us find a suitable contract or probate attorney to create an enforceable contract. You had hours to find a lawyer and you literally dragged us to an immigration lawyer in the hood because in your exact words, "they have five stars on yelp". You also omitted what you told me in the elevator on the way down. You said you will DESTROY me and losing the 50k is only the first step. You claimed I defamed you because I said your warranty is 90 days and you then claimed it's 180 days. I said the POINT I was making is that 90 days is less than LIFETIME and 180days is STILL less than LIFETIME. Furthermore, nowhere on your website do you state the warranty length and likely still don't. Lastly we never actually "bet" anything because we were at the negotiation stage and I told you that you had no idea what you were doing and that we should go to lunch and turn on the camera and negotiate the terms LIVE and then go find THE CORRECT TYPE of lawyer who could write up the contract. I offered to submit to arbitration where we both submit our evidence and the arbiter decides. You agreed and then reneged.

John Barton ran off as soon as I called 911. Why did he run off, if nothing happened? While John ran off, 2 complete strangers waited for over 40 minutes for the police to arrive. They were able to describe John's License Plate number, vehicle model, color, make, which allowed the police to track down his home address in Oklahoma. Heck, how many of us even know our own, or our spouse's car license plate number? Yet, these 2 independent witnesses -who stayed back for a very long time for the police to arrive- were able to describe his vehicle to a T. So for John to write the witnesses "refused" to give a statement is 100% false.

Ran off? Another lie. I didn't know if you were really calling the police and even if you were I was under zero obligation to stay there when I had committed no crime. I literally STOPPED next to you while you were begging the witnesseses to agree with you that they saw me hit you. Don was standing right there while you were doing it and they told you flat out that they didn't see any physical altercation. Then I told you while sitting in my vehicle that I was going BACK TO THE SHOW and if you decided that you were serious about the "challenge" then you would find me there. I did not run anywhere. I drove to get lunch for my crew and went back to the show. I went into the green room at some point to get something to drink and you were sitting there and you didn't say or do anything. Next thing I know about two hours after being back I am being taken to the hotel security and told that I assaulted you.

According to Detective Edge, the 2 witnesses did not actually witness the "point of impact", so it is very, very difficult to proceed. It makes sense in many ways.

Yes it makes sense because the witnesses were 100ft away and you were not visible to them AND NOTHING HAPPENED. So nothing to see. And you had ZERO MARK on you and you refused a medical examination.

The 2 independent witnesses and I were interviewed separately by 2 different police officers. Here is the closing paragraph written by the police officer herself in the police report:

"Due to the mention facts and circumstances stated above, report taken for Battery, which Barton willfully and unlawfully used force and violence upon Hoang by head-butting Hoang's forehead area."

ALLEGED unlawful use of force. That was your UNTRUTHFUL allegation. You also didn't report to the police that you tried THREE TIMES to get me to hit you. Once in the hallway at the venue, once in the elevator at the venue and once in the parking garage. I said you to VERY CLEARLY that I had ZERO INTENTION of hitting you and that even if I did it wouldn't solve the issues between us.

Fact is you are a liar through and through. You flat out lied and made a false police report which IS an actual crime. Unfortunately not a crime that the police take seriously in a situation like this so I was advised that filing a report accusing you of that crime would also go nowhere.

 

[VarmintKong]

Kumbaya?

 

[VarmintKong]

It was four years ago, kumbaya.

My ego won’t let it go, kumbaya.

 

[JB Cases]

Lyn,

For the last several YEARS, on his Facebook page, John has been viciously attacking and bullying me on many fronts including my ethics, my character, my integrity, my products. I guess you missed all of those attacks on me all those times. Or should I have continued to "take it" and kept quiet like a good little boy? The last straw was when he took a lady's intellectual property and completely trashed it, trying to drag her in the middle of our situation. I got sick of his bullying and responded with my Facebook post. I did not out-of-nowhere call him out. Many people wrote publicly why I waited so long to speak up.

Bullying you? You're the one who produced knockoffs of my designs and then tried to claim that I knocked you off. You're the one who lies about these knockoffs to sell them.

And when you finally stepped up with a bullshit "challenge" based on MORE lies where you accused me of bullying your customers (people you GAVE knockoffs to) you weren't ready to actually folow through on the 50k challenge because you wanted to try and bait me into assaulting you.

Took a lady's intellectual property? Dude you just can't help lying can you? I did no such thing. I said that putting decoration on your cases is like putting a $2000 paint job on a crappy ford pinto. Had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with anyone's intellectual property. I said that the decoration was over $100 according to your price list and that it is a waste to put decoration on a piece of shit that isn't even worth as much as the decoration. You decided to try and USE that post as a way to falsely accuse me of bullying your customers and challenged me to a 20k ie detector bet where we would "find out who copied who" in your words. I IMMEDIATELY raised you to 50k. And then you didn't even follow through and got a cashier's check for 50k IN YOUR OWN NAME. I got one written to you to give to the lawyer. You then tried to be tricky and not show me the whole check until I insisted in the lawyer's office that you unfold it. You're a LIAR Mike. What you call "viciously attacking" is called THE TRUTH by the rest of the world.

There is a very good reason why you won't go to court with me. YOU WILL LOSE.

I even offered to do a podcast with a moderator between us to allow you to make your claims LIVE and you absolutely refused. What are you afraid of? Are you scared that I will take your knockoff case apart in front of you and you won't be able to justify why it's so crappy to the viewers when you are put on the spot? That offer STILL HOLDS. I bet I could buy a brand new ACNE case today and you STILL HAVE NOT FIXED THE ISSUES that I have exposed.

Regarding your claim that we will find out who copied whom.....bring it on! You have CLEARLY stated this under the table for years and I thought you were going to FINALLY have the sack to try and prove your absurd claim but no you really wanted to get me to physically assault you and when I didn't take the bait you LIED TO THE POLICE and claimed I hit you anyway. Only you had no bruise and ZERO EVIDENCE.

 

[JB Cases]

It was four years ago, kumbaya.

My ego won’t let it go, kumbaya.

Correct and if I had seen that Mike posted then I would answered him then. I want my side on the record for the record. Not about ego, it is about truth.

 

[VarmintKong]

My wife has a real trashy cousin who always picks fights with her husband at family parties. It’s not a good look.

 

[JB Cases]

Yes, there are a lot more behind the scene that I chose not to share to the public.

I can tell you 100% factually that every incident that I have had with John has been at my booth, such as at the SBE, the APA World Pool Championship last year and this year's Matchroom's US Open when John seeked me out in front of my booth while I was minding to my business. I do have a very extensive camera system at our booth.

Another lie. I went to your booth at the 2019 US Open for ONE REASON ONLY. The challenge YOU posted on Facebook. I went to your booth and asked you how you wanted to go about the challenge. And that was a cordial interaction where you asked me if I had a lawyer who could do the contract and I said yes and went and got you the number. THEN I said I had a match to play and IF I were knocked out of the US Open then we could go and take care of it. You agreed and when I was done with the tournament I went to you and you said you didn't want to use my lawyer (fair enough) and we took off on a romp around vegas where you were presumably looking up lawyers on yelp. I followed you to AN IMMIGRATION lawyer that you picked because she had five stars on yelp according to you.

You will have ZERO proof of any other interaction over your knowckoffs with you at your booth at any other show. ZERO NONE NADA. After you started knocking us off and LYING about the knockoffs to consumers you were dead to me as a friend and your only value at that point was to expose you for the fraud you are.

 

[JB Cases]

My wife has a real trashy cousin who always picks fights with her husband at family parties. It’s not a good look.

Tell it to the guy who picked the fight then. I wasn't the one who tried to "bully" with a 20k challenge and got called and raised to 50k.

 

[JB Cases]

I am glad that you are happy with your purchase. This is what our country is all about, the freedom to choose for yourself, not being dictated nor bullied into something else. If you are happy with your choice, that's all that matters.

As for protection, I beg to differ from your opinion. I know of many, many people who routinely carry $20,000 worth of cues or more in their ACME cases. Recently, Melling's expensive personal cue was transported in an ACME case by a shipping company. The box was badly damaged, got banged up, badly messed up the case, but his cue was safe. This is public knowledge and directly from the person who shipped Melling's cue inside the ACME case.

LOL just because people put their cues into a piece of shit and those cues survive a trip doesn't make the piece of shit case into something protective. It means that they got lucky and will continue to be lucky until they aren't.

And yes you are free to knockoff anything you want to just like you knocked off the X-Breaker WHILE the inventor Richard Chan was DYING OF CANCER.

And despite the laws against false advertising you are "free" to falsely advertise in an industry where you know that the Federal Trade Commission is extremely unlikely to take action against you for any complaints. You're too small to matter to them and the harm you do from selling piece of shit cases (my professional OPINION) that you lie about is inconsequential to the already-stretched law enforcement part of the federal government. You literally have a figurative "license to steal" in the billiard industry and in my OPINION you take full advantage of that.

 

[JB Cases]

I understand wanting to take the high road but without your side of what transpired during the alleged assault you are allowing John to control the narrative and history.

Obviously you can choose to do whatever you want but with just one version of the story out there it becomes the default record and all you’ve accomplished is to give JB a load of publicity.

Lou Figueroa

Correct. And I am glad he showed up. Just not happy that I missed this four years ago. Now I can answer the lies he directly told right here.

 

[VarmintKong]

I know you’re pissed. Everybody feels they get a raw deal sometimes. I think we should all be able to feel that way for a short minute. I feel that way too sometimes.

When I do, I have a personal rule that instead of harping on the negative bullspit, I think of 3 things off the top of my head that I can be thankful for. 3 things why God is great, times are good, and livin’ is easy.

No sense staying awake worrying about how I was done wrong almost half a decade ago or thinking about something dumb I did. The only person that is still affected by it is me. Nobody has it even enter their stream of consciousness except me, so why should I.

 

[JB Cases]

john'a psycho side





Michael,

I have encountered john's psycho side quite a few times myself. It got bad enough I documented his threats. Just trying to be fairly low profile in this thread while trying to get people to think. Many many cases don't go forward for lack of evidence including murder cases. Lack of evidence is far from saying something isn't true.

Hu

No you haven't. you have engaged in years of attempting to troll me and been met with logical rebuttals each time. Go ahead and post your "evidence" if you have any. You are correct however that lack of evidence doesn't mean something didn't happen. The burden is on the ACCUSER though and the accuser SHOULD have evidence and in the case he didn't even have a bruise because he was never touched. That's why the standard in American jurisprudence for criminal accusations is BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT and in this false accusation story his false report didn't even rise to the standard of believablity by the detective. She literally "air quoted" the word "story" when she said to me that she had just listened to the "story" told by Hoang.

 

[JB Cases]

I know you’re pissed. Everybody feels they get a raw deal sometimes. I think we should all be able to feel that way for a short minute. I feel that way too sometimes.

When I do, I have a personal rule that instead of harping on the negative bullspit, I think of 3 things off the top of my head that I can be thankful for. 3 things why God is great, times are good, and livin’ is easy.

No sense staying awake worrying about how I was done wrong almost half a decade ago or thinking about something dumb I did. The only person that is still affected by it is me. Nobody has it even enter their stream of consciousness except me, so why should I.

Bro I 100% understand your sentiment. For me it's a matter of principle and making sure that the record is straight. you know how I found out that Mike had even posted? My daughter and I were having a conversation about the internet and how things never die there and she googled me and this thread came up and I saw Mike's name. I had literally forgotten about this thread and after reading what he wrote I realized that I couldn't let his lies stand unanswered.

I am not really worried about it per se but it is important that my rebuttal be a part of the permanent record. I have zero faith that he will come back and try to counter my rebuttals. He said to me once that he wanted it to be over and I said it will be over when we sit down together on a live podcast and you attempt to prove your BS claims in front of the world with nowhere to run and hide. That offer STILL stands.

 

[VarmintKong]

Everybody else had forgotten about this thead too. What else did you and your daughter talk about? Maybe you talked about doing something fun together as a family over the weekend. Focus on that. This junk don’t matter.

 

[JB Cases]

It's not derogatory when you call a spade a spade , JB has only exposed the ones who believe in snake oil , I keep hearing all this nonsense on how other cases don't protect cues yet in 50yrs I've never had one damaged on know of anyone that has and it's certainly safe to say under normal conditions 99.9 pct of the time the 2 cases will preform the same for th 0.1 pct that choose to use their cases as a baseball bat a javelin or a soccer ball a JB case might be the better choice

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Actually, it's like this...... by copying only PART of the interior they have actually created a situation where the cues hit each other with extra force with every bump in the road. The cases were (and probably still are) missing several inches of liner at the bottom which means that the a fulcrum is created with the padding near the top. Literally like chopsticks clacking with every bump. So 100% of the time the cues are hitting each other with no barrier between them at the bottom in the acne cases that were (are) made that way. And conversely 100% of the time in a JB Case the cues are kept apart by fully lined and padded cavities that are carefully engineered to keep the parts separated and secure from hitting each other and excess movement.

You can call my work snake oil if you want to but one thing you won't do is subject your cues to the real world testing that I have. Good for you that you have not experienced any damage that you could attribute to any of the cases you used. My PERSONAL experience is otherwise and is exactly why I started building cases. And throughout these past 30 years I have found a lot more people who have had their cues damaged by bad cases. This is literally the only hobby where people stick expensive equipment into holes where they can't see the construction beyond the first few inches. Every other hobby that uses expensive equipment has padded cases to protect that equipment during transit. Pool cues are long thin tapered cones made of many thin-walled parts held together with glue and bolts. They are made to accept force from one direction only. So any extra force applied to the sides has the potential to break the bonds anywhere along the length.

It is simple, padding is better than no padding when it comes to protection. Rattling is worse than not rattling. That's the basic premise that I go by. And I can prove it easily as I have done plenty of times at shows, in my shop and on video. Not a single person who has accused me of selling snake-oil as you have done has taken me up on my standing challenge to come to my shop and prove their claims on a live stream.

Maybe you can be the first to try. I doubt it because words are easy to write but proving those words is much less desirable when the truth is NOT on your side. The truth is on my side here.

 

[JB Cases]

Everybody else had forgotten about this thead too. What else did you and your daughter talk about? Maybe you talked about doing something fun together as a family over the weekend. Focus on that. This junk don’t matter.

We did and we will. As soon as I have addressed the comments I need to address I will be done. That way I can be at peace that someone who has never seen this thread does not come away from it thinking that no rebuttal from me gives his "story" credibility.

 

[Hungarian]

Hey JB, Hope all is well. I don't remember seeing you around here lately. I honestly did not know you were banned from the US Open, or maybe I did at one time but forgot. I don't feel like reading this entire thread so can you nutshell what happened.

 

[JB Cases]

Couldn't get a warrant for the tape?

Either of us could have subpoenaed the video. My lawyer said this, if you didn't assault him then let him pay his lawyers to get it because it will only mean that he will then have to settle or admit to a crime if they try to use it. My lawyer estimated that Hoang spent more than 25k on his attorneys responding to the lawsuit I filed. I won't ever know but I hope so and hope it was a lot more.

He probably could but he knows his claims are complete BS. He just upset John calling out truths.

Exactly. I did go back to the building and ask the building manager for the tape but they said we would have to get a court order. I got a "mob" vibe when talking to the guy and decided to let the attorneys handle it and got the advice I posted above.

That excuse might stop YOU from getting the tape, but not the police. Nice try though.

Exactly, the police report that I finally got through the motions filed by his attorneys, showed that he had no witnesses and no injury and refused medical attention.

This is such a minor case for most detectives everywhere, given the much more serious cases that they have to devote their time to solve, it's not reasonable to expect them to go through the hassles of paperwork to obtain a warrant. Even the police officer who took the report said it is a misdemeanor. Any members here who's in the police work will tell you this. As an owner of 3 surveillance camera system, at a push of a button, I can reformat the hard drive and have any of my camera system re-recorded over from scratch. So if the owner didn't want to get involved, it's as easy as a push of a button, and I totally understand. I mean, we are not talking about rapes or murders here.

No, we are just talking about your false accusation and use of police resources to pursue a frivolous attempt to get me blackballed in the industry through your lies.

I would lay odds that button was pushed the moment the owner heard of an alleged altercation on his property.

And you are correct, no cop is going to waste their time and certainly not the time of a judge over this.

IMO, and I would never stay at Holiday Inn Express.

At the end of the day the best they could do is conclude that it is word against word. I think that IF the police truly believed on the day of that I had committed an assault then they would have been duty-bound to come to the show and arrest me for assault and fleeing the scene. The police were called when the casino cops came to me and the Las Vegas police declined to come out. The next morning I was at the police station the moment they opened to fill out a statement even though I was not asked to. Sitting there I was not spoken to by any officer or arrested. The clerk took my statement and that was all I heard until the detective called about two months later to tell me that his "story" wasn't enough to press charge and that the matter was dropped.

You have a picture of your face after being headbutted? I would guess a headbutt would leave a little mark

No he didn't and the police report stated that he had no visible injury and also refused medial examination.

If he was injured the police would have followed up.

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I agree. If the police had thought an actual assault had occured they would have been duty-bound to find me and arrest me. I TOLD Mike where I was going, "back to the show". Which is what I did.

Nope, just about a bunch of childish name-calling and finger pointing.

Maniac (AZB...better entertainment than television)

And Mike falsely accusing me of assault by filing a false police report. Let's not forget that.

 

[JB Cases]

Hey JB, Hope all is well. I don't remember seeing you around here lately. I honestly did not know you were banned from the US Open, or maybe I did at one time but forgot. I don't feel like reading this entire thread so can you nutshell what happened.

Sure, Mike Hoang challenged me to a 20k lie detector test to determine who copied whom....I said raise it to 50k and he accepted. We went looking for a lawyer and he took me to an immigration lawyer. When we left the lawyer I we were arguing in the parking garage and mike claimed I head-butted him and filed a false police report. He then used this fake report to tell the US Open folks that he was scared to be around me and they WRONGLY barred me from the tournament for the remainder of the week. Then he tried to use that fake police report to get me barred from the rest of the shows in vegas and was successful in getting me barred from the APA singles. The other promoters told him no.

 

[Hungarian]

Sure, Mike Hoang challenged me to a 20k lie detector test to determine who copied whom....I said raise it to 50k and he accepted. We went looking for a lawyer and he took me to an immigration lawyer. When we left the lawyer I we were arguing in the parking garage and mike claimed I head-butted him and filed a false police report. He then used this fake report to tell the US Open folks that he was scared to be around me and they WRONGLY barred me from the tournament for the remainder of the week. Then he tried to use that fake police report to get me barred from the rest of the shows in vegas and was successful in getting me barred from the APA singles. The other promoters told him no.

Holy shit. What was copied?