my brother was a pool player and cue collector. he died and left me his collection. I know nothing about pool cues. someone told me azbilliards was a great place to get advice and help, but all I get here is anger and men telling me off accusing me. I have sold some cues on eBay and one case. I researched the cues as best as I could getting many different bits of information. The cues I have, have been in cases under my bed for 20 years and I decided that I would sell some of them, figuring someone could enjoy them and use them. There is a Craig Petersen and a thomas wayne and Meucci and schon, those I won't sell. I researched the JossWest and everywhere I read it said the old JossWest cues were rare, so person above sorry I didn't realize the cue was NOT rare, but you are the only person that has said it is not. I also didn't know this was a grammar and punctuation test. again, I called EBay to make sure about ending an auction, they assured me that I could end an auction if I got an offer I wanted to take. person above, you might want to call eBay and ask them yourself. The above very hateful person also said that now I am thinking I could get more money? we'll duh why would I give it away? I researched the cue for a week and after I put it on eBay I keep getting people saying I should take it off because I won't get near what it is worth. excuse me for wanting to get the most I can.
Josswest
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The cue is worth $1500-2000 depending on condition. It was made closer to the 1980 because the points are not sharp. This logo is present on cues made between 1972-1980. The points date the cue. It is a nice old cue. It would help if you would list the length of the shafts & butt separate. Also getting a weight on the cue as well as shaft diameters will help with you sell. Good luck! Sorry for you loss.
Edit: I'm assuming this is the cue. http://www.ebay.com/itm/231605609155?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Edit: I'm assuming this is the cue. http://www.ebay.com/itm/231605609155?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Jw
I apologize for our 'badgering tool' member. That is one classy looking JW your Brother owned. You have good action on it. Let it play out with another day+ on it. Real bidders will show last $econd and throw down. Ending it would not be recommended even if eBay says it's ok. It's not.
You must understand there are many very knowledgeable members here that are very helpful and can offer good information and approximate appraisals. We also get hit with 'what is it worth ?' without any very important pictures or details like your post and it's impossible to help with nothing to go by.
Sorry about your brother, good luck with auction.
-Davekat:thumbup:
I apologize for our 'badgering tool' member. That is one classy looking JW your Brother owned. You have good action on it. Let it play out with another day+ on it. Real bidders will show last $econd and throw down. Ending it would not be recommended even if eBay says it's ok. It's not.
You must understand there are many very knowledgeable members here that are very helpful and can offer good information and approximate appraisals. We also get hit with 'what is it worth ?' without any very important pictures or details like your post and it's impossible to help with nothing to go by.
Sorry about your brother, good luck with auction.
-Davekat:thumbup:
That's a nice cue - I had almost the same cue that I had refinished so it was in pristine condition w/2 original straight shafts that I ended up selling for $1800 locally so no shipping or payment fees. I hope that helps.
Dave
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If you end the auction while there are bids on it, eBay can charge you the fee on it based on what the last bid was.
Looking for a value without pictures or other info though is like going into a car dealership and saying "I have a Chevy, how much will you give me for it?".
Seems like it's going up pretty close to it's true value, nice looking cue.
Looking for a value without pictures or other info though is like going into a car dealership and saying "I have a Chevy, how much will you give me for it?".
Seems like it's going up pretty close to it's true value, nice looking cue.
If things are as you state then you have my sincere apologies. But again, nobody goes onto a car forum and simply says "how much is my Ford worth" and gives no other information, so surely you must see why coming here and asking "how much is my Joss West worth" and giving ZERO information about it would arouse some suspicion. You don't have to know a thing about cars or cues to know that you would at least need to describe the item to get any kind of real help with the value. That's just pure common sense. Yet you didn't do that, which called into question your motivation.
I never said your Joss West was rare or not rare, only that in one place you claimed to know nothing, and in another claimed to have the knowledge that it was rare.
I pointed out that you seem to write real well in one place, and not very good at all in another. Not a grammar and punctuation test, just an strange observation to add along with the strangeness of asking for the value of something but telling nothing about it.
I am telling you that it is not considered acceptable by most people to pull an auction from Ebay after you already have bids. With 364 Ebay feedbacks I would expect you would know that. Just as a bidder is expected to go through with the purchase if he has the winning bid, the seller is expected to go through with the sale once he has bids. Once you list and get bids you are committed. Ebay doesn't like it either when auctions are pulled after bids are received even if they aren't going to doing anything to you about it this time and I bet you can find that in their guidelines somewhere if you read them. It is a real POS move (although I am sure people hoping to do a deal outside of Ebay will tell you its fine). Ultimately you have to decide for yourself if you want to be the type that values their character/reputation so little that they pull sleazy POS moves for what they think will be a few extra bucks, which it may or may not be because as you should also know with 364 Ebay deals, the price often or even typically jumps a lot in the last one or two minutes as the bids come in fast and furious. You never know how an auction is going to do until the moment it ends because too much happens in the last few seconds.
Don't worry about, or be concerned in the slightest, about aborting your ebay listing.....it happens all the time........I have over 190 transactions over the past 10 years.......it happens all the time........just part of life and every ebayer knows and accepts the fact that's what sellers are "allowed" to do.......it's not a done deal until the auction ends........so feel at complete comfort to end your auction early if you so choose.
People are going to try and score the cue at a better price than you might otherwise think.........the estimate you were provided of $1500 and $2000, well I think that perfectly frames the real price........people will generally list the cue higher than what they will accept which lets them drop the price for the buyer who then feels like he/she just got a deal.......I'd look for the upper 1700 to 1800 range for a final net price plus shipping.......don't do that Paypal gift crap...add the 3% and do it right.
Matt B.
People are going to try and score the cue at a better price than you might otherwise think.........the estimate you were provided of $1500 and $2000, well I think that perfectly frames the real price........people will generally list the cue higher than what they will accept which lets them drop the price for the buyer who then feels like he/she just got a deal.......I'd look for the upper 1700 to 1800 range for a final net price plus shipping.......don't do that Paypal gift crap...add the 3% and do it right.
Matt B.
Murders happen all the time. Doesn't change the fact that it is still almost always a POS thing to do. How often something happens has nothing to do with whether it is right or wrong.
Yes I know murders are illegal, and dropping an Ebay listing isn't, but the point remains. When determining right and wrong, how often other people do something never has any bearing. And for that matter, as a percentage of total auctions, the amount of auctions that get pulled by the seller after they have a bid are actually really small. Most people know (and care about) what a POS move it is and don't do it.
Just saying eBay permits it.....sellers have buyers back out all the time........buyers have sellers cancel their listing early........all too often for contrived reasons that they check mark on the cancellation form they submit to eBay.......it's the real world.....this isn't a one on one discussion where there was an agreed upon purchase price between 2 parties........this is an auction and the seller decides to pull it back....rescind it.........the seller is not obliged to sell the cue on eBay.........what if their reserve hadn't been hit yet and they learned they set it way too low.......they shouldn't have to live with a lower resultant sales price needlessly.
This is different than if the buyer and seller had been negotiating directly with each other.......this is all blind until the auction ends with a winning bid......sorry, this is different and the seller can do anything they want when it's a blind auction.....1 on 1 negotiations is an entirely different matter........you always honor your word.....this was a big to do about that last week over a SP Scruggs cue that was sold twice .......point is blind ebay auctions are have inherent risks for the seller and buyer.....that's all I'm saying......that's the eBay world and if you've conducted much business there, you'd better understand it's permissible on eBay.......this is like the ivory debate.....there is "legal ivory":.......look, with eBay, you can always report the seller if you think they're being unscrupulous. but until then, sellers will continue to do this and buyers will also continue to not pay sellers......and eBay allows this to take place.
This is different than if the buyer and seller had been negotiating directly with each other.......this is all blind until the auction ends with a winning bid......sorry, this is different and the seller can do anything they want when it's a blind auction.....1 on 1 negotiations is an entirely different matter........you always honor your word.....this was a big to do about that last week over a SP Scruggs cue that was sold twice .......point is blind ebay auctions are have inherent risks for the seller and buyer.....that's all I'm saying......that's the eBay world and if you've conducted much business there, you'd better understand it's permissible on eBay.......this is like the ivory debate.....there is "legal ivory":.......look, with eBay, you can always report the seller if you think they're being unscrupulous. but until then, sellers will continue to do this and buyers will also continue to not pay sellers......and eBay allows this to take place.
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Jeez, try to get a valuation on your grandmothers favorite old doll and you will pay some antique dealer $125 for the privilege. So what exactly is it you want for free here on AZB?
I know you did not just fall off the turnip truck, not if those cues have been under your bed for 20 years, and if you are 'not selling' some of them quote "There is a Craig Petersen and a thomas wayne and Meucci and schon, those I won't sell."
What did you expect from AZB - maybe for Bill Stroud to send you a signed Certificate of Authenticity and a Provenance, followed by six national cue authorities getting together to write out and sign a formal insurance-acceptable Certificate of Valuation?
The cue itself is kinda ugly, you know, with that horrible rust red stain that clashes with the point colors, and ruins an otherwise nice looking maple forearm. That color combination may be what makes it rare, maybe Bill S. discovered he could not sell many of that design, maybe in fact could not give it away with those colors, so therefore it is in fact a rare Josswest just by accident of being ugly... just my opinion.
You say you don't know anything about cues, yet you say it is in "Great condition!" and it is "Gorgeous" and "rare" and you know to say "When rolled it rolls nice and smooth" (no mention of straight.. hmmm, but it does roll smooth). Not to mention you know the inlays are MOP rather than plastic or abalone shell or something similar, and you counted the four points, all of which point to some knowledge of cues.
It is sort of sad to see you playing the oh poor ignorant me card, you guys are such meanies and bad people, boo hoo how did I ever fall in with such a bunch of school yard bullies, oh boo hoo poor me... You actually spent more time complaining about meanies than listing a link to photos or actually showing photos so a reply could give you an informed opinion not just a shot in the dark..
I have no sympathy, and I doubt many others do either, since last night your first post could have said "I am selling a Josswest which can be viewed at ebay.com number so and so, and the bids are up around $1325, but I didn't set a reserve, and I don't want to let it go too cheap, can anyone help me determine the best price I might get?"
Dry your tears, you know exactly what this is worth, because just like anything else it is worth whatever people will pay for it, and what a seller will accept.
An auction is one of the best methods of setting value. Unfortunately, Ebay is not a true auction, because it is time limited, rather than bid limited. That is why Ebay sellers have to set high starting prices or set a reserve, lest their item sell too cheap.
But you've had 384 transactions, and even if most of them have been buying junk Chinese jewelry you still probably have a better idea of ebay workings than most people.
If you wanted people to see photos and give good advice, you know by now you screwed up by not posting your ebay link, or properly saying up front where to find those photos.
We are all mind readers, but some of us don't bother to do it. The cure for the meanies on AZB is to not AZB, simply head out to the interwebz and google for your advice, I'm sure Ask.com (or is it Answer.com?) has someone who will tell you the exact value of your cue even without a photo, just papal $30 for their expert advice, and get your answer within 23 hours!.
ps you had photos up since the middle of last night, but failed to mention them for ten more hours, and then only in the middle of a reply about something else, and you never posted your ebay link at all, though eventually you agreed when someone else finally found it.
pps yes Virginia it is a bunk move, aka POS, bordering on fraud, to encourage bidders to make a bid that they think is a real contractual agreement between both parties, when in fact one party, the seller, is just using the 'auction' to generate some idea of the item's value, when seller fully intends to void the Ebay auction at seller's convenience, thus pulling the rug out from under every bidder who bid in good faith as part of an expected contract.
ppps You have been given good advice here. I carefully reviewed every prior comment and found not one reply that fails to give sound advice, though some are not perfectly diplomatic, their advice and/or comments are sound. Even constructive criticism is still criticism, a word which comes from Greek beginnings which originally meant "to tear flesh." The Internetz is not a place to visit with a thin skin, and I know you already know that, but still want to play the 'oh my oh my, don't be mean to me, I'm just a poor girl who don't know nothin' bout nothin' card? Sheesh...
pppps Just in case you really are as dense as you claim to be, re-read the reply from tduncan, it contains everything you ask for.
I give up....this place it what it is..........
The bottom line is your cue is worth exactly what someone else will pay. And Ebay is probably the biggest market to sell your cue.... Thus, folks that know about cues will bid it up to the price it's worth.
Don't be a nit and stop the listing because you think you can squeak out an extra hundo from some place else? The market determines the price, and it appears the market is speaking to you and you should have $1500 in your pocket very soon. Not a bad price at all.
Wow that idiot has way too much time on his hands. Get a life dude. Everyone here except for you has been very helpful. I don't care one bit about your opinion. It is a free country last I checked and it is my cue I can do whatever I want with it. I called eBay and if I want to take someone's offer I can end the auction, state that I sold it for a buy it now offer, pay them their fees. Call them yourself and get educated. You think the cue is ugly, don't bid on it. I asked my original question hoping someone could lead me into the right direction to make sure I wasn't getting taken, since I don't know much about cues, and Bill G. And the other intelligent men here helped me. When I originally tried to find out the cues value, one website said 500 then another said 3000 so I kept getting conflicting answers. I was told by many people that azbilliards could help me. I was also warned about assholes like the idiot here that has no life and gets off on bullying people. One minute he says to research the cues and I did. Now he accuses me of being some pool cue expert pretending I know nothing. That is asinine, what would be the point? I can say the cue is worth a million dollars, that doesn't mean I'm going to get that. I am new to azbilliards and couldn't figure out how to post pictures I Said that honestly. One nice guy put a link for my eBay listing for me so why would I repeat that?
This jerk here keeps posting like he is running the show for azbilliards I'm surprised he is allowed to do it, and talk to people this way giving azbilliards a bad reputation. He keeps mentioning why I didn't post pics. I answered that I was trying to figure out how to. I just thought someone could tell me a honest website to go to or someone to call. It was a nice innocent inquiry and this jerk has me throwing a nuclear bomb at America falsely accusing me.
Thank you to all the intelligent decent gentlemen here that helped me. Shame on the jerk that lied and was accusing and very hurtful and cruel with your remarks about my brother dieing and leaving me his cue collection in his will. How do you sleep at night.
This jerk here keeps posting like he is running the show for azbilliards I'm surprised he is allowed to do it, and talk to people this way giving azbilliards a bad reputation. He keeps mentioning why I didn't post pics. I answered that I was trying to figure out how to. I just thought someone could tell me a honest website to go to or someone to call. It was a nice innocent inquiry and this jerk has me throwing a nuclear bomb at America falsely accusing me.
Thank you to all the intelligent decent gentlemen here that helped me. Shame on the jerk that lied and was accusing and very hurtful and cruel with your remarks about my brother dieing and leaving me his cue collection in his will. How do you sleep at night.
When you list an item with no reserve you are saying you are going to sell the item to the highest bidder, period. Not I might sell it or might not, depending on whatever.
This is how it works in the "real world" for anyone that has an ounce of integrity and who doesn't want to be a sleazy POS:
--If you are unsure of the value and therefore don't know if you want to sell the item because you have no clue what kind of money it might bring, then you don't list the item until you have done all the research you need to do to be comfortable taking the risk of listing it and accepting whatever it brings.
--If you only want to sell it if you can get a certain amount, well that is what "buy it now" listings are for. List it for the amount you want and it either sells, or it doesn't.
--Or as an alternative you can do an auction with a reserve price which lets everyone know that the item is only being sold if your price target is met.
But if you list it in a no reserve auction, you are committing to sell the item to the highest bidder, just like any bidder is committing to buy the item if their bid wins. Whether or not you know who the bidders are or whether or not you have had one on one dealings with them is immaterial. You made a commitment to them when you created the no reserve listing. If you can't live with whatever the market brings, then don't put your item in a no reserve auction. Set a reserve or do it buy it now instead. Everybody knows that. Don't be a POS.
2strong4u
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This woman is a psycho...Steer clear. Both me an another prominent member here made good cash offers for several cues and she is NUTZ...