TheThaiger
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I'd say he's more like a young Cliff Wilson, who was an extraordinary player.
Judd Trump - a star is born
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I'd say he's more like a young Cliff Wilson, who was an extraordinary player.
To me, Judd's game, stroke, and habitus resembles that of Jimmy White. Both lefties, attacking players with more than enough cue power. That being said, I don't see Judd not winning the crown at some point. White, as we know, played in 6 WC finals never to win. He lost to Steve Davis, Stephen Hendry and IIRC John Parrot. Judd, given a few years, will make it over the line and win a few. Time will tell how many.
As to Trump's game and scoring, I think he is most often let down by his cue ball control. He is liable to pot anything, as we have seen. But his cue ball is not always up to his potting skills. What I also consider a weakness in his game, aside safety play that has been mentioned here, is his shot selection. He is perhaps a bit too aggressive on some shots. I mean, how many times during the WC did we see him going into the pack from a red only to leave himself with no color? This actually goes both ways: he did also create a lot of opportunities for himself playing these shots.
Weaknesses or not (and whose game doesn't have a weakness?), Trump has announced himself with a bang this season. Now that he is in the top 16 and guaranteed a spot in each tournament there is no limit to what he can achieve. He will challenge the old guard, and in turn be challenged by his peers.
On a different note, Trump's victory in China and his run in the WC have been more than what Barry Hearn could ever have hoped for. Snooker has a new star whose game is exiting to watch. He appeals to the younger generation as well. All is going well for Barry and snooker. Great time to be a fan of the game.
J.S.
As to Trump's game and scoring, I think he is most often let down by his cue ball control. He is liable to pot anything, as we have seen. But his cue ball is not always up to his potting skills. What I also consider a weakness in his game, aside safety play that has been mentioned here, is his shot selection. He is perhaps a bit too aggressive on some shots. I mean, how many times during the WC did we see him going into the pack from a red only to leave himself with no color? This actually goes both ways: he did also create a lot of opportunities for himself playing these shots.
Weaknesses or not (and whose game doesn't have a weakness?), Trump has announced himself with a bang this season. Now that he is in the top 16 and guaranteed a spot in each tournament there is no limit to what he can achieve. He will challenge the old guard, and in turn be challenged by his peers.
On a different note, Trump's victory in China and his run in the WC have been more than what Barry Hearn could ever have hoped for. Snooker has a new star whose game is exiting to watch. He appeals to the younger generation as well. All is going well for Barry and snooker. Great time to be a fan of the game.
J.S.
I concur. He reminds me of Jimmy White as well. The problem with the very aggressive style is that it's very impressive when the player is on and a disaster when he isn't. But the pots this kid goes for and makes in the World Championship were just almost inhuman. This past weekend I played on some 9 foot tables with snooker corners and I felt like a hero if I ran a rack of 8 ball or even when I managed to shoot a ball down the rail into the pocket. This guy makes Snooker tables look like American barboxes.
I am sure he will be around for a long time and hopefully he won't have the same fate as Jimmy White has had regarding the lack of WC titles.
TheThaiger
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Isn't it amazing how quickly fortunes can change? Hearn mustn't be able to believe his luck. All he needs now is for Ding to win the next one to keep the 30 million snooker players in china happy.
Your're rigth, if I were Barry I'd have opened a bottle of bubbly after the WC. Ding, imo, will win tournaments and quite possibly the WC, he's more than capable. Barry's been quite active in the east, I believe, with plans of more tournaments thereabouts. Huge market and huge potential for snooker there, but there's also room for growth here in Europe.
Wonder when he will start thinking about the US?
J.S.
Wonder when he will start thinking about the US?
J.S.
Judd 's cue ball was all over the place, when he improves that he'll be deadly
having said that, there are so many top pros just missing that final single piece of their game, and they never get there
look at Selby, he was supposed to be champ by now, and Ding
and Jimmy white
the talent pool and competition in English snooker is ridiculous
having said that, there are so many top pros just missing that final single piece of their game, and they never get there
look at Selby, he was supposed to be champ by now, and Ding
and Jimmy white
the talent pool and competition in English snooker is ridiculous
TheThaiger
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Better say British snooker, just to keep the bitter and twisted jocks & taffs happy.
I know comparisons between pool and snooker players in terms of relative skill are difficult, but the top snooker players are out of this world IMO. I recently saw a youtube clip of Mark Williams playing a bit of 9 ball, with the commentator seemingly surprised he could play a bit. This was Mark J Williams FFS!
Still can hardly believe Trump missed that pink in the last frame. I was pulling hard for the boy and disappointed he didn't win it all.
It is always good to hold others to high standards, particularly these underperformers
Mark Selby - Won the Masters (the second biggest payday in snooker) twice
Ding Junhui - Won the UK Championship twice, Won the 2011 Masters
Jimmy White - Won the UK Championship, won the Grand Prix twice, second in the World Championship six times (second place currently pays 125,000 pounds - so 6 seconds would be worth more than $1 million U.S.)
TheThaiger
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I wonder what part the 'weight of expectation' played in the failure of some of these? Ding has 1.3 billion people expecting him to win every game. White had to put up with hundreds of people screaming "come on Jimmy!" every time he chalked his cue, which has got to get on your tits after a while. Judd had similar expectation at the WC.
Ridiculous to label Selby & Ding as chokers, but there's no doubt White was. You've either got it or you ain't, and he didn't, which was a terrible shame.
Explanation Please
Excuse my ignorance, what is a live frame? Thanks in advance. All the shots in the video were very tough. Anytime spent on a Snooker table is tough action.
Excuse my ignorance, what is a live frame? Thanks in advance. All the shots in the video were very tough. Anytime spent on a Snooker table is tough action.
Consider the guy Trump was playing.
Higgins came back from
5 - 8 down against Ronnie O'Sullivan
5 - 9 down against Mark Williams
9 - 12 down against Judd Trump
In the past five years Higgins has won the World Championship three times.
He now has four, one more than Ronnie O'Sullivan
Higgins came back from
5 - 8 down against Ronnie O'Sullivan
5 - 9 down against Mark Williams
9 - 12 down against Judd Trump
In the past five years Higgins has won the World Championship three times.
He now has four, one more than Ronnie O'Sullivan
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In snooker, when a player has enough points to have won the frame if they are on a break they will continue till they miss. To gain confidence, entertain the crowd, or build a bigger break but mainly because it's just done. In number 3 the frame and match was already won so he wasn't bothered at all if it went in. In number 2 he was trying to compile a century break but in number 1 the points were level, it was eithers to win, hence a live frame.
