Judd Trump, Snooker Star Using BHE

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Patrick Johnson said:
A swipe stroke is inherently less accurate, so to have any interest in it I'd have to be able to do something with it that I can't do with a straight stroke. That would be easy to demonstrate... if it was true.

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I'm happy you feel that way. Go for it.

John
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
A swipe stroke is inherently less accurate, so to have any interest in it I'd have to be able to do something with it that I can't do with a straight stroke. That would be easy to demonstrate... if it was true.

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Care to demonstrate how straight your stroke is?
 
Colin Colenso said:
I have noticed Judd Trump using a swipe variation of Back Hand English quite a few times, particularly on screw shots when reversing off the rail, as snooker players refer to it.

Here's an example, in shot 3 of this video at around 52 seconds. The link should take you straight to it.

https://youtu.be/0PlhkHVgqss?t=52s

I photoshopped the image below which shows his alignment prior to backswing his alignment just prior to hitting the CB. There is a significant pivot into his body with the back hand.

Note that his initial alignment is pretty much spot on for a draw shot without any side english.

While he swipes, I've noticed that on these firm shots, the swipe has negligible effect on the application of BHE.

I doubt he is aware of BHE, but he and some other players discover this method for certain shots.

Colin
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Wow great video swoop is amazing but I could see it raising years to get a hang of
 
Fastrockyf said:
Wow great video swoop is amazing but I could see it raising years to get a hang of
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Fortunately for you, there's no point to getting the hang of it. It doesn't add anything to your game - its only real effect is to make your stroke less accurate.

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Ron Swanson said:
How do you know what [swooping] will do to his stroke?
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I know that it will be less accurate than a straight stroke for anybody - the same way I know that shooting an arrow in a crosswind will be less accurate for anybody.

But even if that wasn't obvious, what would be the point? Swooping doesn't do anything.

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Patrick Johnson said:
I know that it will be less accurate than a straight stroke for anybody - the same way I know that shooting an arrow in a crosswind will be less accurate for anybody.

But even if that wasn't obvious, what would be the point? Swooping doesn't do anything.

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One thing it does do, is allow the player to aim through CCB right up to the point of moving the cue.

Is that worth the trade off? Probably not, but it is manageable on some shots. I prefer to pivot pre-cue backswing, but I've tested both methods and there is little difference.

At firm and greater cue speeds, pivoting at the effective pivot point, which is very close to the natural pivot point, it's almost impossible to get any significant arcing in the final shot execution to affect the shot.

Colin
 
Colin Colenso said:
One thing it does do, is allow the player to aim through CCB right up to the point of moving the cue.

Is that worth the trade off? Probably not, but it is manageable on some shots. I prefer to pivot pre-cue backswing, but I've tested both methods and there is little difference.

At firm and greater cue speeds, pivoting at the effective pivot point, which is very close to the natural pivot point, it's almost impossible to get any significant arcing in the final shot execution to affect the shot.

Colin
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You're back.

It allows you to align the aim at CCB by putting the tip on the cloth at the base of the CB "before moving the cue" ala Efren.
It makes you pay attention to where to contact the CB just before impact.

Be well
 
Colin Colenso said:
[A swipe stroke] allow the player to aim through CCB right up to the point of moving the cue.
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LAMas:
It allows you to align the aim at CCB by putting the tip on the cloth at the base of the CB "before moving the cue" ala Efren.
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Both of these things can be done without swipe strokes - by pivoting to the new straight-stroke angle just before (instead of during) the shot stroke.

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I'm pretty sure Judd Trump is not even remotely aware of pool concepts like BHE etc. In almost, if not all, shots, Judd is cueing ACROSS the correct shot line. Pros like Shaun Murphy and Steve Davis are aware of this TECHNICAL FLAW, and did address it during Judd's matches at the recent Masters.

The flaw is, I believe, due to his grip. He self-corrects it with the help of his natural talent for timing the strike--he syncs his back pause with some head movement in order to bring the cue to the correct shot line as he does his forward strike. This technical flaw however has costed him a lot of times in his career--at times when his natural talent fails to kick in, he would miss pots you'd think a snooker player of his caliber would make 99 times out of a hundred.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Fortunately for you, there's no point to getting the hang of it. It doesn't add anything to your game - its only real effect is to make your stroke less accurate.
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The way that guy drills those balls in on one of those Brit monster snooker tables...? :yikes:
Man, I will settle for a 'less accurate' (your words) stroke to be able to hit 'em like he does. I could still rob 95% of the ones who walked into the pool room.
That'd be good enough for me. :smile:
 
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