Jump Break Ferrule / Tip Combo

[billiardbum]

I have put over 100 of these on, and never had a problem with any of them breaking or cracking. I bought a lot of flat Linen stock in brown, cut them in squares, and turn them round and made ferrules with them. That material is now gone, and I thought I would make it a lot easier on myself. I bought some Ferrule material from Atlas Billiards, and put about 10 of them on at a tournament... I have had 2 come back split in half in less than a week. Anybody else had this issue? I talked with Chad from Atlas, and he said it is the way I manufactured the ferrule. Anyone else had this issue? Thanks in advance for the help.

Jim

 

[n10spool]

I had to use a .250 cap then add on for thinkness of the so called tip i would wind up around .375 or thicker. when i make them thinner they would split right away after 5-20 break shots.i hardly install them now i went back to sumo tips.

Ivorine 4 i keep splitting these ferulle's on break cues also, if it helps any.

Craig

 

[Canadian cue]

I have been using canvas based sheet stock and orientating the grain like on a layered tip. Most people seem to use rod stock with grain running up and down. Has anyone done a comparison between the two configuration of grain?

 

[jodamit]

ferrule

Jim, I too had some problems with some stuff that i had got from Atlas, but i thought is was something i was doing, I thought i hadn't round them off as much but they were not breaking, but chipping off in big chunks .
I put on about 35 and had about 5 or 6 come back. I too also got some material and cut my own also, and like you i've never had a problem either but i thought it would be easier it was but more money in the long run i guess....
Good luck,
Joe Thornton
Also Thanks alot for the video you sent me

 

[rhncue]

Jim, I too had some problems with some stuff that i had got from Atlas, but i thought is was something i was doing, I thought i hadn't round them off as much but they were not breaking, but chipping off in big chunks .
I put on about 35 and had about 5 or 6 come back. I too also got some material and cut my own also, and like you i've never had a problem either but i thought it would be easier it was but more money in the long run i guess....
Good luck,
Joe Thornton
Also Thanks alot for the video you sent me

I've done a few using the Atlas material with the exact same results.

Dick

 

[Cue Crazy]

Which material were you guys using? Not sure why I have had good results, but I have used both the natural colored canvas, and even just used the black linen before, both were from atlas, and I have'nt had one break yet. I believe both sections of rod were atleast a year old or better though, so don't know if that has anything to do with It or not.
I can't imagine what I would be doing different though. All I have done is- I threaded them on the tenon, left a cap as mentioned, and crowned them with a sharp skew.

Greg

 

[billiardbum]

Comparing Phenolics

Well to further this discussion...I did order both types of material from Atlas, and going to try the Linen also in comparison. I am just wondering if I am doing something wrong with installation or not doing something right with making ferrules, even though I have made a ton of them the old way, with no problems. I did talk with Chad at Atlas, and he said you do need a minimum of .250 material on the tip of the phenolic, and I have been drilling .800 and tapping. The test last night, I only drilled .700 deep and tapped, and I will see what the results are. Maybe I am creating a pressure lock with the ferrule not having any glue relief?

Yes I have made the ferrules with the grain going the other direction, and yes never had one come back yet with using flat stock... I guess I will go back to the old fashion way... Chad chime in, and tell us exactly how to make the ferrules, and what is potentially going wrong.

 

[BHQ]

Well to further this discussion...I did order both types of material from Atlas, and going to try the Linen also in comparison. I am just wondering if I am doing something wrong with installation or not doing something right with making ferrules, even though I have made a ton of them the old way, with no problems. I did talk with Chad at Atlas, and he said you do need a minimum of .250 material on the tip of the phenolic, and I have been drilling .800 and tapping. The test last night, I only drilled .700 deep and tapped, and I will see what the results are. Maybe I am creating a pressure lock with the ferrule not having any glue relief?

Yes I have made the ferrules with the grain going the other direction, and yes never had one come back yet with using flat stock... I guess I will go back to the old fashion way... Chad chime in, and tell us exactly how to make the ferrules, and what is potentially going wrong.

i've made only a half dozen or so of the phenolic ferrules with the canvas phenolic rod that prathers sells. i was concerned about a glue relief issue also. thought it there wasn't any relief, the ferrule would explode from the compression. after threading the tenon, i use a dremel tool with a small wheel, and cut a couple slots down the length of the tenon. as far as i know, i haven't had one fail (YET)

 

[rhncue]

Well to further this discussion...I did order both types of material from Atlas, and going to try the Linen also in comparison. I am just wondering if I am doing something wrong with installation or not doing something right with making ferrules, even though I have made a ton of them the old way, with no problems. I did talk with Chad at Atlas, and he said you do need a minimum of .250 material on the tip of the phenolic, and I have been drilling .800 and tapping. The test last night, I only drilled .700 deep and tapped, and I will see what the results are. Maybe I am creating a pressure lock with the ferrule not having any glue relief?

Yes I have made the ferrules with the grain going the other direction, and yes never had one come back yet with using flat stock... I guess I will go back to the old fashion way... Chad chime in, and tell us exactly how to make the ferrules, and what is potentially going wrong.

I put a glue relief hole in the j/b ferrules the same as I do on any other capped ferrule. Before shaping the ferrule I take some tip shavings from my tip lathe and force them into the glue relief hole with CA glue. This fills the hole and satisfies the rule about having leather in a tip.

Dick

 

[BHQ]

dickie

hey, how are you doing since the accident??
haven't heard much from that mutual buddy of ours
i was thinking about you yesterday when i was using my table saw
i don't mind saying, i'm scared to death of that sob
i was BEFORE your accident

 

[Cue Crazy]

I put a glue relief hole in the j/b ferrules the same as I do on any other capped ferrule. Before shaping the ferrule I take some tip shavings from my tip lathe and force them into the glue relief hole with CA glue. This fills the hole and satisfies the rule about having leather in a tip.

Dick

Me too I have'nt added the tip shavings, but I do like the idea . I drill a relief in the same way, just without the shavings. I drill a very tiny hole though, can't even really tell It's there after the job is said and done.

I second Brent's question, how Ya feeling bud, better I hope

Greg

 

[rhncue]

hey, how are you doing since the accident??
haven't heard much from that mutual buddy of ours
i was thinking about you yesterday when i was using my table saw
i don't mind saying, i'm scared to death of that sob
i was BEFORE your accident

Hello, I'm fine. That finger is now about useless. Not that much missing but when I go to pick something up the only thing that makes contact is my thumb. When I make an extra effort to get it further up the index finger so as to make contact, then there is no friction and the object just squirts out like a watermelon seed. Been trying to play pool with an open bridge which is working so so until I have to bridge off of the rail or draw a ball. Haven't figured suitable bridges for those positions yet. Drawing the cue is especially hard as I miscue nearly every time I try.

I wrapped a couple of cues yesterday with no problems but I haven't tried a leather wrap yet. I have two half/splice cues I'm working on and I know gluing those points in is going to be trouble as it was always tough with two good hands.

Dick

 

[DiamondDave]

I buy my phenolics from Atlas as well and I had maybe one or 2 break out of around 50. I switched to the Double Black and will never again use anything else. That stuff is INCREDIBLE! I started using Epoxy to put them on and I actually think it provides a more solid bond and a harder and stiffer sound and hit. I've even had people switch from the brown to the black just from what people have said about it. I always have about a third of an inch tip thickness with these tip/ferrules.

Another thing I've done is put Picone's White Diamond Tips on the Double Black Ferrules and they are just out of this world. Most people tell me they still get the same power but a lot more control with this set up.

Thats my input.

Dave