Jump cues in tournements
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Zims Rack said:
At any time during the game, you may push the cue ball to anywhere on the table that you believe you are able to make the shot and your opponent cannot. Your opponent may then decide whether or not he wants to take this shot. Whoever takes this shot, after the pushout, they must make a legal hit on the object ball without scratching. If a legal hit is not made, the other player gets ball in hand.
I hear that this was the strategy used years ago. Not sure why it changed, though.
ManlyShot
OOps! sorry, when I mentioned it in my post it never ocurred to me that some of the younger players would not even know of this rule, man how time flys 
The "push-out" rule was used in 9 ball way back,we used it till somewhere in the 80's I think, then the Vegas rules kinda took hold.
The "push-out" rule was used in 9 ball way back,we used it till somewhere in the 80's I think, then the Vegas rules kinda took hold.
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Jump cue
can someone tell me when the jump cue came in to pool? I have been shooting for 50yrs. dont remember it becoming legal shoot? Well I for one think it should not be legal!!!! I know I am old man and you young players will not agree, but i think a2-3 rail kick takes more knolige than jump. OLD MAN STICK
can someone tell me when the jump cue came in to pool? I have been shooting for 50yrs. dont remember it becoming legal shoot? Well I for one think it should not be legal!!!! I know I am old man and you young players will not agree, but i think a2-3 rail kick takes more knolige than jump. OLD MAN STICK
A 3-rail kick takes skill, just as a jump shot does! They are both skill shots and there's no reason why the jump shot should be banned...IMO! If you can't shoot straight at the ball, you kick right, well, if you can't go around the OB, you go over it, right? haha!! once again, JMO!
Zim
Zim
OPINION
Pool is like most other sports. People like offense and defense is not stressed as much as it used to be. We are all trying to go faster and faster in this crazy world. The cloth is even getting faster. I remember when I could drive somewhere without a phone. There was no computer, no fax, no remote control. I even remember black and white TV with only 3 channels. Standard transmissions with no air or power windows. My point is that as much as I despise jump poles I think they are here to stay. We are part of a society that is always looking for a short cut. Just look at all the products associated with the sport of pool. We forget what we loose by taking thes short cuts. Most of the better players I know can play of the wall and it will not effect their game much at all. We forget that is how most of us learned the game.
What little wisdom I have gained in my life tells me you cannot have progress without change, and you cannot have change without someone complaining.
As long as manufactors are making money from the sale of jump cues, and promoters have spectators being awed by witnessing the jump shot, jump cues will be around.
I do not like jump cues. I don't care for pierced faces or tongues either, but I accept it and go on. Don't look for any hardware on me anytime soon.
Personally I feal the same way about a break cue, But I am getting old and set in my ways.
Until there is an accepted unified body that creates a standardized forum for these issues we can expect more and more "short cuts"
PORTER
WHAT BRAND OF JUMP CUE SHOULD I BUY?
Pool is like most other sports. People like offense and defense is not stressed as much as it used to be. We are all trying to go faster and faster in this crazy world. The cloth is even getting faster. I remember when I could drive somewhere without a phone. There was no computer, no fax, no remote control. I even remember black and white TV with only 3 channels. Standard transmissions with no air or power windows. My point is that as much as I despise jump poles I think they are here to stay. We are part of a society that is always looking for a short cut. Just look at all the products associated with the sport of pool. We forget what we loose by taking thes short cuts. Most of the better players I know can play of the wall and it will not effect their game much at all. We forget that is how most of us learned the game.
What little wisdom I have gained in my life tells me you cannot have progress without change, and you cannot have change without someone complaining.
As long as manufactors are making money from the sale of jump cues, and promoters have spectators being awed by witnessing the jump shot, jump cues will be around.
I do not like jump cues. I don't care for pierced faces or tongues either, but I accept it and go on. Don't look for any hardware on me anytime soon.
Personally I feal the same way about a break cue, But I am getting old and set in my ways.
Until there is an accepted unified body that creates a standardized forum for these issues we can expect more and more "short cuts"
PORTER
WHAT BRAND OF JUMP CUE SHOULD I BUY?
K
Ken in CT
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My primary gripe about jump cues is the tips. The BCA requires that a "pliable material" be used. That spec is not sufficiently specific. I believe that some tips are hard palstic which should not be permitted. I think the rubber tip was outlawed a long time ago. Tips should be leather and that's that.
Someone described the push out rule in Atlantic city and I believe missed a key requirement. You may indeed push any time you are not on a foul and your opponent has the option to give you back the shot. However, then the requirement is that you pocket a ball legally or you give ball in hand. This is designed to eliminate safety battles and make the game move faster with more difficult shots being attempted. It is an experiment designed to produce a game that is more interesting for spectators.
It takes away the value of safetys by permitting a push instead of requiring a hit after the safety. You might still play a safe but your opponent can then just push to a shot he thinks he can make. You have the option to shoot it or give it back. The game moves faster with more difficult shots being taken.
Ken in CT
Someone described the push out rule in Atlantic city and I believe missed a key requirement. You may indeed push any time you are not on a foul and your opponent has the option to give you back the shot. However, then the requirement is that you pocket a ball legally or you give ball in hand. This is designed to eliminate safety battles and make the game move faster with more difficult shots being attempted. It is an experiment designed to produce a game that is more interesting for spectators.
It takes away the value of safetys by permitting a push instead of requiring a hit after the safety. You might still play a safe but your opponent can then just push to a shot he thinks he can make. You have the option to shoot it or give it back. The game moves faster with more difficult shots being taken.
Ken in CT
Jump Cues
Hi Ken,
Please let me know if my memory is faulty. When I first began to play nine ball thirty years ago, you could push out on every shot! That was a great practice until Mike Sigel arrived and made everything from anywhere.
Jump cues will become a mainstay. BCA/WPA rules have made it so. Nothing makes me madder than to lock up my opponent behind several balls and have them jump out safely or worse, make the ball. It's just another shot in the arsenal and, from time to time, I make them too. I can't jump like Earl and I never will have that talent. I prefer to kick to hit a ball. I learned basic three cushion billiards when I began to play.
I agree with the post that most of the games we love to play have been changed to make it more palatable to the "fans". Thank the pool gods for 14.1 and one hole.
Speaking of one hole, does anyone out there play three consecutive fouls (scratches) is loss of game? There seems to be a small controversy here. Some say the've never heard of it.
Hi Ken,
Please let me know if my memory is faulty. When I first began to play nine ball thirty years ago, you could push out on every shot! That was a great practice until Mike Sigel arrived and made everything from anywhere.
Jump cues will become a mainstay. BCA/WPA rules have made it so. Nothing makes me madder than to lock up my opponent behind several balls and have them jump out safely or worse, make the ball. It's just another shot in the arsenal and, from time to time, I make them too. I can't jump like Earl and I never will have that talent. I prefer to kick to hit a ball. I learned basic three cushion billiards when I began to play.
I agree with the post that most of the games we love to play have been changed to make it more palatable to the "fans". Thank the pool gods for 14.1 and one hole.
Speaking of one hole, does anyone out there play three consecutive fouls (scratches) is loss of game? There seems to be a small controversy here. Some say the've never heard of it.
Re: Jump Cues
That in itself is a joke because there are no fans other than the pool players themselves. They have changed the rules of 9-ball by taking out most of the strategy (the only strategy to today's game is break good and run out), and for what? TV? I don't recall even seeing the men play on TV recently! The rules have been changed to please some fictitious entity! I would love to see them bring back spotting balls, or shooting from behind the line after the break. Although it was before my time, and I don't remember first hand, I'd like to see the push out rule come back. I do remember playing before the "ball in hand any time" and the "all balls stay down" rules came to be, and 9 ball was a better game then.
cardiac kid said:
That in itself is a joke because there are no fans other than the pool players themselves. They have changed the rules of 9-ball by taking out most of the strategy (the only strategy to today's game is break good and run out), and for what? TV? I don't recall even seeing the men play on TV recently! The rules have been changed to please some fictitious entity! I would love to see them bring back spotting balls, or shooting from behind the line after the break. Although it was before my time, and I don't remember first hand, I'd like to see the push out rule come back. I do remember playing before the "ball in hand any time" and the "all balls stay down" rules came to be, and 9 ball was a better game then.
K
Ken in CT
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Doomcue,
I say make the tips leather just to have some consistency in equipment standards. Right now it seems that anything goes. The specs are not specific. I still don't know what "pliable" means. They make a rule and don't define the words they use. If they mean "easily bent" then I think many of the tips out there are in violation.
I have heard that the ferrule material makes a good jump tip. That way you could just shape the end and not glue anything on the end. Is the ferrule material pliable? Maybe some of the plastics they use can be bent but "easily bent"? I don't think ivory is easily bent.
Someone is going to test every material known to man to find the best one for jumping. It becomes a farce when the jump cue sellers are involved with making the rules.
If you like other materials and the rule says it should be fibrous then make sure it is. If it just has to be pliable then how pliable? Many playing tips are not pliable as far as I can see but they are leather and they are fibrous.
Ken in CT
I say make the tips leather just to have some consistency in equipment standards. Right now it seems that anything goes. The specs are not specific. I still don't know what "pliable" means. They make a rule and don't define the words they use. If they mean "easily bent" then I think many of the tips out there are in violation.
I have heard that the ferrule material makes a good jump tip. That way you could just shape the end and not glue anything on the end. Is the ferrule material pliable? Maybe some of the plastics they use can be bent but "easily bent"? I don't think ivory is easily bent.
Someone is going to test every material known to man to find the best one for jumping. It becomes a farce when the jump cue sellers are involved with making the rules.
If you like other materials and the rule says it should be fibrous then make sure it is. If it just has to be pliable then how pliable? Many playing tips are not pliable as far as I can see but they are leather and they are fibrous.
Ken in CT
defined ...
They have defined legal jump sticks, and as long as one uses a legal one, leave it alone ...
Besides, if you really locked someone up, like frozen against a ball, they would not be able to jump anyway. I understand both points of view, but I say leave it alone and allow legal jump sticks. You have to adjust your strategy within the rules and framework of the game.
30 years ago in Houston, I used to be able to get up on the table completely and get down on the cueball to make a shot, but I have to keep one leg on the floor now.
I must admit, though, that jump shots are harder for me to perform (5'7") than someone that is 6'2". Every sport has specialty equipment that makes playing the game easier.
I used to be a real good Ping Pong player and they were always coming out with special paddles for better english or better slamming.
Look at what the 3 point shot did for basketball. Sports evolve over time.
You have to adjust your strategy and play accordingly.
They have defined legal jump sticks, and as long as one uses a legal one, leave it alone ...
Besides, if you really locked someone up, like frozen against a ball, they would not be able to jump anyway. I understand both points of view, but I say leave it alone and allow legal jump sticks. You have to adjust your strategy within the rules and framework of the game.
30 years ago in Houston, I used to be able to get up on the table completely and get down on the cueball to make a shot, but I have to keep one leg on the floor now.
I must admit, though, that jump shots are harder for me to perform (5'7") than someone that is 6'2". Every sport has specialty equipment that makes playing the game easier.
I used to be a real good Ping Pong player and they were always coming out with special paddles for better english or better slamming.
Look at what the 3 point shot did for basketball. Sports evolve over time.
You have to adjust your strategy and play accordingly.