Jump cues

[JB Cases]

I have no interest in doing a poll. I also don't care on way or the other particularly. For me jump cues are inert objects that are no different than a tip or chalk.

They don't make the shot. They require skill to use

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[trustyrusty]

OK then ask the next 20 pro's you see & I'm sure you'll find that at least 18 will say trash them. The sport does need products to help fund its own industry but not at the expense of cheapening itself. Jumping with your playing cue is a skill.... jumping with a jump cue is a gimmick.

playing safe 3" behind a blocking ball requires skill....locking whitey to said blocking ball requires MORE skill.

if jumping is allowed in the tourneys you play in, ya better learn it, cuz your competition has, and will take full advantage of it when you don't play a lock up safety. If jump cues are NOT allowed, then you can be a little more lax on your safety play.

 

[Zphix]

I know that most cue makers,probably all would disagree with me,but IMO jump cues are not good for the game,too many times players play a good safety snookering their opponent and its like they sell the game out,opponent goes for shorty jumps makes the ball and runs out,or players get out of line snookering them selves no problem go to the jump cue and run out,there is no reward for playing safe or for knowing kicking systems,and there is no punishment for getting out of line and snookering your self,what you guys think?

Agreed. I didn't pick up a jump cue til I got to Wisconsin. Every safety I played was jumped out of but it did two things for me 1) Caused me to tighten up my safety play, and 2) Caused me to learn how to jump.

I would prefer to see a limit on jump shots, or jump cues though. Maybe 1 jump shot per match, or 2 jump shots with a full cue, etc. I definitely think this needs to be regulated.

 

[billy]

I know that most cue makers,probably all would disagree with me,but IMO jump cues are not good for the game,too many times players play a good safety snookering their opponent and its like they sell the game out,opponent goes for shorty jumps makes the ball and runs out,or players get out of line snookering them selves no problem go to the jump cue and run out,there is no reward for playing safe or for knowing kicking systems,and there is no punishment for getting out of line and snookering your self,what you guys think?

short jump cues are a joke. jump if you like with your playing cue, still don't like this either, but NOT with these special cues

hurts the game in the long run, I'm sorry but this is a no brainer with me. takes a very skillful game and makes it less skilled

you should never be allowed to evade a ball by intentionally leaving the table surface - period

Billy

 

[JB Cases]

short jump cues are a joke. jump if you like with your playing cue, still don't like this either, but NOT with these special cues

hurts the game in the long run, I'm sorry but this is a no brainer with me. takes a very skillful game and makes it less skilled

you should never be allowed to evade a ball by intentionally leaving the table surface - period

Billy

Then if you really feel that way everyone should be required to play with the same cue, same tip, same chalk.

I mean you have all these products claiming to perform better so isn't it a disadvantage if one player shoots with a Predator that makes a claim of giving 25% more spin and the other other player doesn't have a Predator?

Or one guys uses a chalk brand that claims less miscues and more spin....

Or uses a tip that claims more accuracy.

You really think it's EASY to jump accurately just because someone uses a jump cue?

Sure it's easier to jump with a short light cue with a super hard tip. But it's not easy to control the shot, that requires practice.

The jump cue has added a plethora of newly possible shots to the game. Just as the leather tip and then the addition of chalk did. How could adding more great shots to the game possibly damage the game?

When I attend big tournaments any time a player makes a great jump shot whether with a jump cue or not the crowd goes wild. So if the crowds don't mind why should we?

 

[billy]

Then if you really feel that way everyone should be required to play with the same cue, same tip, same chalk.

I mean you have all these products claiming to perform better so isn't it a disadvantage if one player shoots with a Predator that makes a claim of giving 25% more spin and the other other player doesn't have a Predator?

Or one guys uses a chalk brand that claims less miscues and more spin....

Or uses a tip that claims more accuracy.

You really think it's EASY to jump accurately just because someone uses a jump cue?

Sure it's easier to jump with a short light cue with a super hard tip. But it's not easy to control the shot, that requires practice.

The jump cue has added a plethora of newly possible shots to the game. Just as the leather tip and then the addition of chalk did. How could adding more great shots to the game possibly damage the game?

When I attend big tournaments any time a player makes a great jump shot whether with a jump cue or not the crowd goes wild. So if the crowds don't mind why should we?

"Sure it's easier to jump with a short light cue with a super hard tip. But it's not easy to control the shot, that requires practice. "

You just answered why the jump cue is BS - because it's easier to make a good hit. KICKING IS SO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT

I like your cases John but you sell this BS and therefore think it's ok to defend. But you're dead wrong. They hurt the game in the long run because of what you just stated.

The crowd likes a jump shot you say. Too often the crowd knows nothing of professional pool. The crowd is often uneducated IF THERE'S EVEN A CROWD

I'm not going to argue with you John. I've given my opinion. Have a nice day :smile:

 

[JB Cases]

"Sure it's easier to jump with a short light cue with a super hard tip. But it's not easy to control the shot, that requires practice. "

You just answered why the jump cue is BS - because it's easier to make a good hit. KICKING IS SO MUCH MORE DIFFICULT

I like your cases John but you sell this BS and therefore think it's ok to defend. But you're dead wrong. They hurt the game in the long run because of what you just stated.

The crowd likes a jump shot you say. Too often the crowd knows nothing of professional pool. The crowd is often uneducated IF THERE'S EVEN A CROWD

I'm not going to argue with you John. I've given my opinion. Have a nice day :smile:

You don't have to agree with me. My opinion is formed by my experiences. Both as a maker of jump cues, jump shot instructor and fan who has been to dozens of pro events.

It's not about kicking vs. jumping. Different aspects of the game, different skills.

 

[Badbeat13]

I'd say if they jump, make the ball, and get out, that it really wasn't that good of a safety....was it? Shore up your safety game and you won't need to complain about jump cues.

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Jumping is a skill. Kicking is a skill. Good players know how to do both and when to do either.

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If they can still do this after a safety shot the safety shot wasn't
all that good. The shooter needs to get the cue ball even closer
behind an object ball.
I'm not against jump cues at all.
It makes you have to really think hard to get a good safety shot.
Whereas with not jump cues in play just get the cue ball somewhere
behind the crowd and you're good to go in most cases.

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Jumping with any cue is a skill. A jump cue only makes more shots possible

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I have no interest in doing a poll. I also don't care on way or the other particularly. For me jump cues are inert objects that are no different than a tip or chalk.

They don't make the shot. They require skill to use

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playing safe 3" behind a blocking ball requires skill....locking whitey to said blocking ball requires MORE skill.

if jumping is allowed in the tourneys you play in, ya better learn it, cuz your competition has, and will take full advantage of it when you don't play a lock up safety. If jump cues are NOT allowed, then you can be a little more lax on your safety play.

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I think jump cues are great for the game. I've won
many games using them and lost many games
watching my opponent using them. On the flip side,
I've fouled using a jump cue and lost the game on
account of it and watched my opponent foul using
them and won the game on account of it. Jumping
is a skill IMO, whether you use a jump cue or you
use your playing cue.

Lock up safeties take jumping out of the equation,
period.

Strickland was the 1st person that I ever heard complain
about them and it's trickled down to this debate ever
since, it seams.

If a tournament forbids jump cues it doesn't stop me from
playing, but I still think it's bullshit. I've been kicking longer
(37 years) than I've been jumping(29 years), so I'll do what-
ever is required whether no jump cues are allowed or whether
they are allowed. In the end, it mostly just seams like sour
grapes to me.