jnwilliams
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I notice all the pros(that I have watched) using a side stroke vs a "dart stroke". Is that because it's more effective for them, or because of a rule?
jump stick question...
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No rule, it's more effective for them I believe and I think they probably have better accuracy with the side arm or traditional jacked up stroke.
I suck at it, haha. I only use that style for longer jumps with a lower cue angle and some distance between the cue ball and the impeding ball. I have poor shoulder flexibility and I never feel like I can generate enough cue speed to jump well jacked up like that. Maybe it's because I learned using dart stroke with the Jacoby jumper that has the nice little tapered section by the joint for that grip but I'm way more effective jumping dart for anything close or tight.
It's why I sought out a Wheat State jump cue, one of the only carbon 3-piece jump cues I've seen with that same tapered section by the joint for dart grip.
I hope to eventually learn and develop the stroke that the pros use, they must have all collectively settled on it for a reason so I don't doubt it's overall the better option, just not there yet.
I am surprised we really don't see any pros use the dart stroke, I can't remember the last time I saw one in a major tournament.
I suck at it, haha. I only use that style for longer jumps with a lower cue angle and some distance between the cue ball and the impeding ball. I have poor shoulder flexibility and I never feel like I can generate enough cue speed to jump well jacked up like that. Maybe it's because I learned using dart stroke with the Jacoby jumper that has the nice little tapered section by the joint for that grip but I'm way more effective jumping dart for anything close or tight.
It's why I sought out a Wheat State jump cue, one of the only carbon 3-piece jump cues I've seen with that same tapered section by the joint for dart grip.
I hope to eventually learn and develop the stroke that the pros use, they must have all collectively settled on it for a reason so I don't doubt it's overall the better option, just not there yet.
I am surprised we really don't see any pros use the dart stroke, I can't remember the last time I saw one in a major tournament.
jnwilliams
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agreed. I feel l am a lot more accurate with the dart stroke...or at least have more finesse
I know of 3 methods:
1. Dart stroke
2. Regular jacked up stroke
3. Side jacked up stroke
I feel that the regular jacked up stroke is more accurate for me than the dart stroke.
But with a dart stroke I can go higher and jump a shorter distance.
The side stroke is a combination of both, it allows you to jack up more than a regular stroke and still very accurate.
Personally I can’t make it with the side stroke, I’m sure I’ll be able to master it with practice but I don’t practice anymore, I just play…
It’s definitely better on the shoulder when jacking up and can give more power on a long jump than a dart stroke.
If you’re looking to improve your jump and your game and you practice, then
1. Dart stroke
2. Regular jacked up stroke
3. Side jacked up stroke
I feel that the regular jacked up stroke is more accurate for me than the dart stroke.
But with a dart stroke I can go higher and jump a shorter distance.
The side stroke is a combination of both, it allows you to jack up more than a regular stroke and still very accurate.
Personally I can’t make it with the side stroke, I’m sure I’ll be able to master it with practice but I don’t practice anymore, I just play…
It’s definitely better on the shoulder when jacking up and can give more power on a long jump than a dart stroke.
If you’re looking to improve your jump and your game and you practice, then
At 72½ I no longer have the body flexibility to do 2) or 3).
I think it's more about comfort then effectiveness. The side arm method is very similar to the Pendulum method (regular jacked up) and that is what people are used to. The dart can be very accurate if someone has good fundamentals. The dart is also good for people who can't lift their shoulder up.
jnwilliams
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I'm just surprised that I don't see any of the pros use the dart I guess. It must be an obvious advantage for sidearm for those guys
when they do it, it looks like they have quite good control, a bare flick of the arm
the dart that im better with even tho i dont jump much
feels like much less control over the cue ball
I would ONLY recommend the dart stroke for very specific situations on the table (where reach is a problem) or if the player is too short or has disabilities which do not enable the use of a regular stroke.
The dart stroke does not have the proper power in for all strokes. It's hard to put good action on the cueball, even though you can easily pop over a ball. If you are trying to draw the cue ball back, for instance, it's much easier with a more regular stroke than with the dart stroke. The dart stroke is fine for shots that are short to medium length and where you just want to make the ball or put limited power into it.
If you shoot a lot of jumpshots, you quickly realize that the dart stroke isn't as good. With a sidearm stroke you have all the power and control in the world while with the dart stroke, the stroke feels uncontrolled and weak by comparison.
agree with some of this. Just like in golf, you use certain clubs for certain shots. Dart works good for certain instances. It isn't as hard to put action on the cue ball using dart as people thing it is. I have had people swerve the cue ball a diamond or more on a jump during lessons. Draw isn't that hard but agree with you and pendulum/side arm can generate more on a draw. As far as the dart feeling uncontrolled and weak I would agree to disagree. That may be how you feel and others, but there are also a lot of people that feel that the dart is controlled. I have had many people that I have taught to jump say they have better control with the dart vs the other two. So it really depends on the person. As far as power, it also depends on the person.