Jumping off OB for position?

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henho

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In a tourney a few months back, I saw Allen Hopkins pull off a shot that I'd never seen anyone else shoot. He was close to the object ball with a relatively thick hit, but the path of the tangent line took him directly into another ball that was blocking his desired cueball path. So, he jacked up slightly and hit the object ball very hard, forcing the cueball to jump off of the object ball and over the interfering ball to get good position. I would have never thought of doing that, very creative and cool. Anyone shoot such a position shot regularly and/or have any hints? From what I could tell he jack up to about 35 degrees and used a very hard center ball hit to force the cb into the air.
 
I use it occasionally when playing one-pocket to bank a ball into my hole and not disturb the other balls so I have position if I make it and safe if I miss. Depending on how you hit down on the cueball you can follow or draw after the jump. It is suprisingly easy to jump the balls probably the hardest thing about it is seeing the situations where it can be used. There is an example in Winning One Pocket or Shots Moves and Strategies that diagrams a shot like this which is very effective and easy to execute.

Wayne
 
Done that before. It was Mark Wilson's tip of the day in the 2005 BCA Open I believe. I've also kicked into a rail and jumped over an impeding ball to make a legal hit before (hit slightly low and the backspin will help it hop away from the rail). To make an OB jump significantly as well, you need a little more height on the CB.
 

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This is a railjump shot I've used occasionally playing one pocket where you have to make a very shallow bank and get the CB out of the way of the OB.
 
ok the green arrow is supposted to be at the bottom left corner, for some reason when I paste it from wye it goes up table
 
I've got a league teammate who loves to pull this one odd shot out of his backside every once in a while - he'll make the cue ball jump, striking his object ball as it (the CB) is coming back down, to then make THAT ball jump over the NEXT ball and (hopefully) head into the pocket. Double-jumpage. He doesn't pull it off nearly every time, but I've seen him do it a few times. It's sick. :P
 
ScottW said:
I've got a league teammate who loves to pull this one odd shot out of his backside every once in a while - he'll make the cue ball jump, striking his object ball as it (the CB) is coming back down, to then make THAT ball jump over the NEXT ball and (hopefully) head into the pocket. Double-jumpage. He doesn't pull it off nearly every time, but I've seen him do it a few times. It's sick. :P
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i learned that shot when i got it from somewhere as a trickshot. Its actually quite easy to do as long as the object ball and the balls it has to jump are spaced about right and you are jumping 1/2 ball or less. I can line it up as a trick shot shooting it the length of the table and probably make it 4 out of 5 times. Never gotten to use it in a game though.
 
Typical trick shot kind of stuff. My good friend Eric Yow's got a shot where he jumps the first OB off of a second to get _it_ over a set of interfering balls.

http://www.ericyow.com/jump.html

Scroll to the 4th shot from the bottom. Yow! How'd He Do That!

It's not difficult of shot to pull off since you don't need to get the cue ball that high off the table. But even knowing these shots, seeing them in a game is definitely more difficult, and there are usually better options.
 
I saw this in a pro tour match. But he jump mase' it to get a shot. WoW!!!!!!!
 
Allen is always good for a surprise!...I was watching him play a 14.1 match waiting for my match which would determine the outcome. He had a shot in the pack and he was right up against the stack. Allen took 2 bridges and stacked them 2 high, then made a bridge on top of the bridges to get uber jacked up!...I never knew the standard bridge had a small notch section to stack in that way.....the best part was the rail standing 3 deep watching something so simple, yet genius!...

Gerry
 
Not a good shot to do with a 314

This shot doesn't execute that well with a 314. The cue gets out of the way and doesn't pop the ball that well. I usually pull out my break cue for this shot.

Nick
 
henho said:
In a tourney a few months back, I saw Allen Hopkins pull off a shot that I'd never seen anyone else shoot. He was close to the object ball with a relatively thick hit, but the path of the tangent line took him directly into another ball that was blocking his desired cueball path. So, he jacked up slightly and hit the object ball very hard, forcing the cueball to jump off of the object ball and over the interfering ball to get good position. I would have never thought of doing that, very creative and cool. Anyone shoot such a position shot regularly and/or have any hints? From what I could tell he jack up to about 35 degrees and used a very hard center ball hit to force the cb into the air.
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Without seeing the shot I doubt he hit it that hard. You might get that impression because it's a ball jumping and bouncing. If he or anyone did shoot hard jacked up balls would be flying. It's usually a center ball stroke or a tad of follow to move the c/b a good distance. It doesn't come up very often but it's good to have in your bag of tricks.

Put it on the wei or were blind to the shot. I'll assume it's a shot similar to shooting a ball out of the rack. You'll learn a lot by this little trick shot. I've used it many times over the years but in those cases it took more control. By that I mean stroke speed.

Rod
 
henho said:
forcing the cueball to jump off of the object ball and over the interfering ball to get good position. I would have never thought of doing that, very creative and cool. Anyone shoot such a position shot regularly and/or have any hints? From what I could tell he jack up to about 35 degrees and used a very hard center ball hit to force the cb into the air.
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I've shot this type of shot about three times in my entire life. I can't say it comes up often, but on the rare occassion that it comes up, it might be the best shot.

Remember that you'll be hitting the object ball higher, so in most cases, that you'll have to aim slightly thicker than normal.

Fred
 
I've shot it several times, it's a great shot to have.

There is also a variation where you elevate, then make sure you are striking below the equator (as determined by the tiny man sitting on your cue). The cue ball will strike the object ball, then hop over the obstructing ball, and when it lands it will have plenty of backspin, and DRAWS away from the spot it lands. Just like a jump shot with backspin (well, actually, it IS a jump shot with backspin - the cue ball just pockets a ball before it jumps. Use a shorter than usual bridge, but elevate the cue. Cool. Have fun.
 
Cornerman said:
I've shot this type of shot about three times in my entire life. I can't say it comes up often, but on the rare occassion that it comes up, it might be the best shot.

Remember that you'll be hitting the object ball higher, so in most cases, that you'll have to aim slightly thicker than normal.

Fred
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Gotta agree with Fred here in that it doesnt come up very often. I have tried it only twice both times successfully. The distance between the object ball and cueball have to be realitively close and the jack up is about 30 degrees and I used top on the cueball to ensure the jump and position in both cases. But anything like middle or low could be used...
 
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