Just accept it and move on....

Roadie said:
You choose. Because whatever you say doesn't matter. If trying to get to me this way is what turns you on then by all means do it. I am immune to namecalling of any type.
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They're coming out of the woodwork to name-call and knock you since you're sticking it up their azzez and breaking it off in nearly every debate.

Since they're clearly not your speed in back-and-forths, they jump up and down and scream, "It's John Barton!!!!"

If Roadie is John Barton.... then I must be Batman.

The only guaranteed poser in here is mlalum / PoolSharkAllen.

If you can't beat someone with intelligence, then you might as well divert the attention to something else. Kind of like how the Obama campaign tries to point at Mitt's taxes while the country continues to spin down the tubes.
 
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Wouldn't it be most polite to address you according to which personality you're wearing? For instance, when you're Mrs. Barton maybe we should call you Ma'am, and when you're Brother Barton, maybe it should be Bro...? I don't know what's best for Roadie - maybe Apple?

pj <- just wanna do what's right
chgo
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Roadie:
You choose. Because whatever you say doesn't matter. If trying to get to me this way is what turns you on then by all means do it. I am immune to namecalling of any type.
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Whoever you are, my "apple" comment was a poor attempt at childish humor - my bad.

pj
chgo
 
What's up Batman?

SpiderWebComm said:
They're coming out of the woodwork to name-call and knock you since you're sticking it up their azzez and breaking it off in nearly every debate.

Since they're clearly not your speed in back-and-forths, they jump up and down and scream, "It's John Barton!!!!"

If Roadie is John Barton.... then I must be Batman.

The only guaranteed poser in here is mlalum / PoolSharkAllen.

If you can't beat someone with intelligence, then you might as well divert the attention to something else. Kind of like how the Obama campaign tries to point at Mitt's taxes while the country continues to spin down the tubes.
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Roadie said:
Barton would have offered to bet you not pay you. I only offered to chip in to get you and Mr. Shuffett and Mr. Schmidt in the same room and on video. That's how strongly I feel that Mr. Shuffett can get his method across in person.

You could certainly write about Barton in depth if you chose to. But since you don't agree with most of what he says or does that won't happen. I happen to agree with most of what he says, not so much with what he has done.

And yes of course, if I am Barton and trying to hide then the thing to do is to write so that I sound exactly like him. That's intelligent. I happen to resonate with Barton on a lot of topics including CTE. So if I channel his thoughts on it it's because I agree with a lot of what he says. Based on my experience though AFTER learning it from Stan Shuffett's DVD.

As I told PSA feel free address me however you want to. It doesn't matter because I don't take anything personal that anyone here says about me. I look at the content and address that. If you can't deal with that then that is your own problem to figure out.
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No, no -- don't get me wrong. I know John would have made a bet. It was the way and the amount that you threw it out there that was classic John. And actually you don't write like John stylistically -- it is the depth of knowledge about his past postings and the general history of the discussions he's been involved in, going back a good number of years, that is stupefyingly similar. Yes -- we all have access to it, but who would waste the time to research it or have the capability to regurgitate so much of John so easily, so quickly, and at such length?!

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
No, no -- don't get me wrong. I know John would have made a bet. It was the way and the amount that you threw it out there that was classic John. And actually you don't write like John stylistically -- it is the depth of knowledge about his past postings and the general history of the discussions he's been involved in, going back a good number of years, that is stupefyingly similar. Yes -- we all have access to it, but who would waste the time to research it or have the capability to regurgitate so much of John so easily, so quickly, and at such length?!

Lou Figueroa
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That's a good point. Actually I have read almost everything Mr. Barton has written. I enjoy watching someone do their thing against the odds and Mr. Barton was always good for entertainment in that category. I backed him up on several issues because I am intimately familiar with a lot of what he talks about. Perhaps I got a bit too involved in CTE but I do honestly feel that it's a very powerful tool to use and since I agree with Mr. Barton's stance on it I plagiarized his opinion on the subject.

I did not feel that I was writing too much, I simply write to make a point without thought as to how much is there. Which is why PSA's constant remarks about number of posts is annoying. I feel that discussion boards are here fo unlimited voluntary debate.
 
For some of the people who are still skeptical that Roadie is John Barton, it might help to look at this from a statistical perspective.

Here are some known facts about John Barton:
1. Lives in Xiemen, China
2. Plays pool
3. Very knowledgable about CTE-related aiming systems
4. Is a verbose and prolific poster
5. Always needs to get the last word in
6. Very knowledgable about copyright and trademark laws
7. Owns JB Cases, uses J. Flowers trademark name.
8. Current AZB status: Banned

All of the above attributes are what makes John Barton unique. While it's possible that there may be thousands of people named "John" who live in China, when you start factoring in some very specific pieces of information, that's when you begin to establish a unique "fingerprint" about someone.

Now let's look at what we know about "Roadie":
1. First name is John
2. Lives in China (has been to Xiemen often, probably lives there too)
3. Plays pool
4. Very knowledgable about CTE-related aiming systems
5. Is a verbose and prolific poster
6. Always needs to get the last word in
7. Very knowledgable about copyright and trademark laws
8. Extremely familiar with John Barton's personal history and postings
9. Extremely knowledgable about JB Cases, J. Flowers trademark name
10. Shills for John Barton when necessary

When you compare the known facts presented above about John Barton to what is known about Roadie, from a statistical standpoint the probability that there are two people with such identical personas are slim to none. Therefore, I have to conclude that Roadie is in fact, John Barton.
 
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PoolSharkAllen said:
For some of the people who are still skeptical that Roadie is John Barton, it might help to look at this from a statistical perspective.

Here are some known facts about John Barton:
1. Lives in China
2. Plays pool
3. Very knowledgable about CTE-related aiming systems
4. Is a verbose and prolific poster
5. Always needs to get the last word in
6. Very knowledgable about copyright and trademark laws
7. Owns JB Cases, uses J. Flowers trademark name.

All of the above attributes are what makes John Barton unique. While it's possible that there may be thousands of people named "John" who live in China, when you start factoring in some very specific pieces of information, that's when you begin to establish a unique "fingerprint" about someone.

Now let's look at what we know about "Roadie":
1. First name is John
2. Lives in China
3. Plays pool
4. Very knowledgable about CTE-related aiming systems
5. Is a verbose and prolific poster
6. Always needs to get the last word in
7. Very knowledgable about copyright and trademark laws
8. Extremely familiar with John Barton's personal history and postings
9. Extremely knowledgable about JB Cases, J. Flowers trademark name
10. Shills for John Barton when necessary

When you compare the known facts presented above about John Barton to what is known about Roadie, from a statistical standpoint the probability that there are two people with such identical personas are slim to none. Therefore, I have to conclude that Roadie is in fact, John Barton.
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Actually you don't know that my first name is John. #3-#7 is correct. I know these things because I read and absorb what I read. I also bought a JB Case and in the course of obtaining that case I consumed Mr. Barton's website from cover to cover so yes I would say I am quite familiar with his work at this point. For #10 I am often gone for months and don't "shill" for Barton. Unless of course you happen to think that agreeing with Mr. Barton is shilling for him. In which case Mr. Barton appears to have a lot of shills on this forum. Perhaps they are all Barton???

Again you don't publish the times where I have criticized Mr. Barton. May I ask if you deliberately skipped quoting those comments because they didn't fit your theory?

And again, I ask you if you have reported yourself for violating the forum rules? I would think that a person of your claimed moral character would be racked with guilt over your transgressions.

In the next post we will examine your contradictions again as promised.
 
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PoolSharkAllen's Contradictory Behavior.

Let's examine some of PSA's posts:

On trolls:

On a forum like this one, it's crucial that the trolls be kept in check. Unfortunately, due to the holiday weekend, the moderators were not on top of things as they usually are.

Too often, the trolls push the boundaries of what they can get away with. IMO, the moderators should probably rein in the trolls sooner by banning or suspending them.

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(does this apply to yourself PSA?)

On the decision of a great contributor to leave AZB:

10-05-2008, 02:05 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dmgwalsh
I don't know the reason why he stopped but us guys over at the straight pool section are sure going to miss his input, his analysis, his tireless dedication to the game. He has made many of us play a little better.

I also wish you would finish your 14.1 book.

I too hope that Blackjack will finish his book as I had been looking forward to reading it.

I've learned a lot from Blackjack, especially from his 14.1 videos with commentary. His absence is a tremendous loss for our forum. I hope that someday he will reconsider his decision and come back.

(Blackjack contributes his thoughts on Facebook now, as do many other formerly prolific members)

On the subject of helping AZ members financially:

AZB fund - 08-20-2009, 11:01 AM

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In view of some threads recently in which certain posters were asking for financial assistance, it occured to me that we might be able to create a fund within the AZB community to help fund worthwhile causes.

Consider that AZB has a membership of over 13,000 members. If just 1000 members were to contribute a modest $20 annually to this fund, we could easily raise $20,000 a year. While it's possible that we may raise less than this, with 13,000 members I think we could eventually raise substantially more money than 20K a year.

If the AZB community had a fund to work with, we could use it to promote causes that are important to us. Some ideas include the following:
- provide funds for talented players to participate in tournaments
- mitigate the expenses incurred with offering free web streaming
- provide free web streaming to even more events
- contribute money to a tournament prize fund
- provide funds for advertising, promoting and marketing of pool-related events.

The details of how all this would work still need to be determined. However, I think that this idea has tremendous potential to both enhance pool's image and also support the causes that are important to us.

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(interesting because he now makes a point of attempting to run off AZ members who have a history of providing assistance to other members in need)

On internet posters who harass professionals:

Russ,
Given that you posted an unbelievable 28 times in that other thread, you were clearly arguing not discussing the merits of what it takes to become a champion.

For one thing, you hijacked that thread. The topic was "What does it take to become a champion?" My definition of a "champion" is someone who is one of the very top players in the game.

You then proceeded to hijack the thread and define a "champion as someone who has/can win at least one major event, and dominates regional tournaments." You went on to give itty-bitty examples to support your position.

Even in this thread, you tried to redefine what a champion is: "You know, the sort of fellow that crushes B players, and leaves the B player telling his friends 'He was a champion'."

If a professional player like John Schmidt decided to leave AZB out of anger and frustration, it was primarily because of know-it-all Internet rail birds like you.

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(So does this apply to industry professionals as well? Seems like you think it's perfectly fine to harass industry pros)

On sadism and villifying people in public:

Let's be clear: I certainly don't condone Earl's inappropriate behavior. Having said that, I think you are getting a certain sadistic pleasure in starting this thread and literally pushing Earl down the stairs and vilifying him in a public forum.

In this thread you've called Earl a clown, lacking class and a disgrace. As proof of that, you've cited Earl's raking the balls and covering his ears. It's already been explained to you that Earl was simply conceding the game after missing an easy shot with ball-in-hand. With Earl's high standards, perhaps he didn't feel like he deserved to win after missing with BIH.

As for Earl's covering his ears, by itself it surely doesn't mean that he lacks class and is a disgrace. Have some empathy for him, especially if Earl actually does have mental problems.

Compared to other incidents that have occurred with Earl, what happened here was hardly the "meltdown" that you're making this out to be.

(does not apply when you do it?)

On CTE:

What's really bizarre about this silly CTE thread is why GetMeThere has posted over 300 times in this thread. GMT persists in trying to tell people that CTE doesn't work when he hasn't even tried to learn or use it.

If CTE really doesn't work, then it's to GMT's competitive advantage to encourage people to use a system that doesn't work.

Arguing about CTE is like arguing over religion. If people want to believe in it, then who are you to deride them for their beliefs? If people want to learn and use CTE, then that's their choice.

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(so when you deride people for their beliefs it's fine?)

On being a good contributing member:

07-30-2010, 02:37 PM

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Since we're a tight-knit community of pool players and fans, I think we're more inclined to help those who give back in some capacity to this forum. So before asking for help, you might want to ask yourself what you've contributed to AZB.

As a example, if you're a professional pool player, it would be great if you could share your insights, knowledge and experiences with the rest of us. Someday, you might be rewarded for it and even if you're not, you know that you've contributed to making this forum a better place for others.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 07-30-2010 at 02:53 PM.

(so you think it's good when professionals share their "insights, knowledge and experiences"? Then how do you explain harassing them to the point that they leave or explode? And I am inlcuding industry professionals here. How do you justify the harassment of professionals like Stan Shuffett by others?)

On being insulting:

You're way out of line with your insults, profanities and derogatory comments in this thread. This is the first time I've given out a Red Rep as you've definitely earned it.

(so when you do it then it's ok?)


On spreading rumors, gossip and tolerance:

Or maybe the original poster, Kybill9, is gay? It's a sad day when people start engaging in unsubstantiated gossip, rumors and innuendo.

This is a pool-related forum so threads about whether or not someone is gay are completely irrelevant and should have no place in this forum.

(so, you exhibit no tolerance and spread innuendo and rumor and yet it's ok when you do it?)

An example of "villifying in public" - which you said was not civil above:

Professional players like Thorsten apparently look down on their fans with comments like: "Fans who can't even run two balls think they know how to fix pool."

The pro players themselves don't even know how to fix pool, as evidenced by the current state of our sport. Among other things, ABP players declaring a boycott and then dragging their feet on retracting their statement is certainly not how you fix pool.

(again you do what you claim is bad)

On the topic of forum moderation:

IMO, the underlying problem is that many of these threads are poorly moderated. As a result, certain posters frequently get away with insulting people, name-calling and hijacking threads, among other things.

Some of these threads actually start out very promising with an interesting topic. Unfortunately, it can take just one poster on this forum with OCD or ADD, to ruin the forum for everyone. Invariably, the thread will become a train wreck that needs to be closed or even deleted.

It's worth emphasizing that this forum really could use more moderating so that everyone stays on their best behavior.

(luckily for you no one was monitoring your behavior this week or you would have been banned for the very offenses that you preach against.)

On being a self-appointed forum cop:

Hmm, maybe I should buy the web site? Forum bullies like JB would be gone immediately and Dave's life as a moderator would be so much easier. With a "3 strikes and you're out" rule, everyone will be on their best behavior and AZB would be the best pool web site on the Internet.

There would be no more silly 9-year disputes over aiming systems and we would no longer have to read pages upon pages of drivel from one OCD poster in just one thread.

People like me are trying to make it happen.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 11-19-2011 at 07:59 AM.

(so deliberately starting a thread to create controversy in the aiming forum is your idea of promoting peace?)


This is by no means a complete list. PoolSharkAllen regularly harasses others, namecalls and engages in trolling behavior as evident by the thread he started about John Schmidt's comments on aiming systems and subsequent remarks therin. Dear readers, you can make up your own minds about the quality level of this person's posts by simply reading what he has done.

As a self-appointed forum policeman this person regularly reports others for the same things that he engages in. At least that is how I see it. As Mr. Schmidt said at the end of his rant, maybe I am wrong. You decide.
 
Roadie said:
Again you don't publish the times where I have criticized Mr. Barton. May I ask if you deliberately skipped quoting those comments because they didn't fit your theory?
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Since I haven't really seen any substantive criticism where you've criticized JB, why don't you publish the times where you've criticized JB?
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
Since I haven't really seen any substantive criticism where you've criticized JB, why don't you publish the times where you've criticized JB?
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Because it's not on me to prove anything. It's there and if you haven't seen it then it's because you aren't actually reading what you are quoting.

Did you report yourself for violting the rules?
 
PoolSharkAllen's Contradictory Behavior.

Let's examine some of PSA's posts:

On trolls:

On a forum like this one, it's crucial that the trolls be kept in check. Unfortunately, due to the holiday weekend, the moderators were not on top of things as they usually are.

Too often, the trolls push the boundaries of what they can get away with. IMO, the moderators should probably rein in the trolls sooner by banning or suspending them.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 09-01-2008 at 12:13 PM.

(does this apply to yourself PSA?)

On the decision of a great contributor to leave AZB:

10-05-2008, 02:05 PM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmgwalsh
I don't know the reason why he stopped but us guys over at the straight pool section are sure going to miss his input, his analysis, his tireless dedication to the game. He has made many of us play a little better.

I also wish you would finish your 14.1 book.

I too hope that Blackjack will finish his book as I had been looking forward to reading it.

I've learned a lot from Blackjack, especially from his 14.1 videos with commentary. His absence is a tremendous loss for our forum. I hope that someday he will reconsider his decision and come back.

(Blackjack contributes his thoughts on Facebook now, as do many other formerly prolific members)

On the subject of helping AZ members financially:

AZB fund - 08-20-2009, 11:01 AM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In view of some threads recently in which certain posters were asking for financial assistance, it occured to me that we might be able to create a fund within the AZB community to help fund worthwhile causes.

Consider that AZB has a membership of over 13,000 members. If just 1000 members were to contribute a modest $20 annually to this fund, we could easily raise $20,000 a year. While it's possible that we may raise less than this, with 13,000 members I think we could eventually raise substantially more money than 20K a year.

If the AZB community had a fund to work with, we could use it to promote causes that are important to us. Some ideas include the following:
- provide funds for talented players to participate in tournaments
- mitigate the expenses incurred with offering free web streaming
- provide free web streaming to even more events
- contribute money to a tournament prize fund
- provide funds for advertising, promoting and marketing of pool-related events.

The details of how all this would work still need to be determined. However, I think that this idea has tremendous potential to both enhance pool's image and also support the causes that are important to us.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 08-20-2009 at 11:38 AM.

(interesting because he now makes a point of attempting to run off AZ members who have a history of providing assistance to other members in need)

On internet posters who harass professionals:

Russ,
Given that you posted an unbelievable 28 times in that other thread, you were clearly arguing not discussing the merits of what it takes to become a champion.

For one thing, you hijacked that thread. The topic was "What does it take to become a champion?" My definition of a "champion" is someone who is one of the very top players in the game.

You then proceeded to hijack the thread and define a "champion as someone who has/can win at least one major event, and dominates regional tournaments." You went on to give itty-bitty examples to support your position.

Even in this thread, you tried to redefine what a champion is: "You know, the sort of fellow that crushes B players, and leaves the B player telling his friends 'He was a champion'."

If a professional player like John Schmidt decided to leave AZB out of anger and frustration, it was primarily because of know-it-all Internet rail birds like you.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 12-04-2009 at 10:37 PM.

(So does this apply to industry professionals as well? Seems like you think it's perfectly fine to harass industry pros)

On sadism and villifying people in public:

Let's be clear: I certainly don't condone Earl's inappropriate behavior. Having said that, I think you are getting a certain sadistic pleasure in starting this thread and literally pushing Earl down the stairs and vilifying him in a public forum.

In this thread you've called Earl a clown, lacking class and a disgrace. As proof of that, you've cited Earl's raking the balls and covering his ears. It's already been explained to you that Earl was simply conceding the game after missing an easy shot with ball-in-hand. With Earl's high standards, perhaps he didn't feel like he deserved to win after missing with BIH.

As for Earl's covering his ears, by itself it surely doesn't mean that he lacks class and is a disgrace. Have some empathy for him, especially if Earl actually does have mental problems.

Compared to other incidents that have occurred with Earl, what happened here was hardly the "meltdown" that you're making this out to be.

(does not apply when you do it?)

On CTE:

What's really bizarre about this silly CTE thread is why GetMeThere has posted over 300 times in this thread. GMT persists in trying to tell people that CTE doesn't work when he hasn't even tried to learn or use it.

If CTE really doesn't work, then it's to GMT's competitive advantage to encourage people to use a system that doesn't work.

Arguing about CTE is like arguing over religion. If people want to believe in it, then who are you to deride them for their beliefs? If people want to learn and use CTE, then that's their choice.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 11-10-2010 at 08:58 AM.

(so when you deride people for their beliefs it's fine?)

On being a good contributing member:

07-30-2010, 02:37 PM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Since we're a tight-knit community of pool players and fans, I think we're more inclined to help those who give back in some capacity to this forum. So before asking for help, you might want to ask yourself what you've contributed to AZB.

As a example, if you're a professional pool player, it would be great if you could share your insights, knowledge and experiences with the rest of us. Someday, you might be rewarded for it and even if you're not, you know that you've contributed to making this forum a better place for others.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 07-30-2010 at 02:53 PM.

(so you think it's good when professionals share their "insights, knowledge and experiences"? Then how do you explain harassing them to the point that they leave or explode? And I am inlcuding industry professionals here. How do you justify the harassment of professionals like Stan Shuffett by others?)

On being insulting:

You're way out of line with your insults, profanities and derogatory comments in this thread. This is the first time I've given out a Red Rep as you've definitely earned it.

(so when you do it then it's ok?)


On spreading rumors, gossip and tolerance:

Or maybe the original poster, Kybill9, is gay? It's a sad day when people start engaging in unsubstantiated gossip, rumors and innuendo.

This is a pool-related forum so threads about whether or not someone is gay are completely irrelevant and should have no place in this forum.

(so, you exhibit no tolerance and spread innuendo and rumor and yet it's ok when you do it?)

An example of "villifying in public" - which you said was not civil above:

Professional players like Thorsten apparently look down on their fans with comments like: "Fans who can't even run two balls think they know how to fix pool."

The pro players themselves don't even know how to fix pool, as evidenced by the current state of our sport. Among other things, ABP players declaring a boycott and then dragging their feet on retracting their statement is certainly not how you fix pool.

(again you do what you claim is bad)

On the topic of forum moderation:

IMO, the underlying problem is that many of these threads are poorly moderated. As a result, certain posters frequently get away with insulting people, name-calling and hijacking threads, among other things.

Some of these threads actually start out very promising with an interesting topic. Unfortunately, it can take just one poster on this forum with OCD or ADD, to ruin the forum for everyone. Invariably, the thread will become a train wreck that needs to be closed or even deleted.

It's worth emphasizing that this forum really could use more moderating so that everyone stays on their best behavior.

(luckily for you no one was monitoring your behavior this week or you would have been banned for the very offenses that you preach against.)

On being a self-appointed forum cop:

Hmm, maybe I should buy the web site? Forum bullies like JB would be gone immediately and Dave's life as a moderator would be so much easier. With a "3 strikes and you're out" rule, everyone will be on their best behavior and AZB would be the best pool web site on the Internet.

There would be no more silly 9-year disputes over aiming systems and we would no longer have to read pages upon pages of drivel from one OCD poster in just one thread.

People like me are trying to make it happen.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 11-19-2011 at 07:59 AM.

(so deliberately starting a thread to create controversy in the aiming forum is your idea of promoting peace?)


This is by no means a complete list. PoolSharkAllen regularly harasses others, namecalls and engages in trolling behavior as evident by the thread he started about John Schmidt's comments on aiming systems and subsequent remarks therin. Dear readers, you can make up your own minds about the quality level of this person's posts by simply reading what he has done.

As a self-appointed forum policeman this person regularly reports others for the same things that he engages in. At least that is how I see it. As Mr. Schmidt said at the end of his rant, maybe I am wrong. You decide.
 
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Roadie said:
Actually you don't know that my first name is John. #2-#7 is correct.
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The more we read of Roadie's postings, the more he sounds like JB. We all remember how John Barton's debating style included denial, distortion, disruption, and obfuscation, of which we now see the exact same characteristics in Roadie's debating style.

Regarding Roadie's first name, he wrote earlier in this thread that "You are aware that John is the second most common english first name right? There is a very high probability that this is my first name." Roadie all but admitted that his first name is John.

Earlier, Roadie tried to fudge on whether he lives in China by saying: "I am in China frequently. Along with millions of other foreigners. Have never made a secret of it. I will give you another clue, I have been to Xiamen often." Now, in this post, by saying that #2-#7 are correct, Roadie finally admits that he actually does live in China.

By the way, for the readers who like connecting the dots, John Barton lives in Xiamen, the city that Roadie travels to often.
 
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PoolSharkAllen said:
The more we read of Roadie's postings, the more he sounds like JB. We all remember how John Barton's debating style included denial, distortion, disruption, and obfuscation, of which we now see the exact same characteristics in Roadie's debating style.

Regarding Roadie's first name, he wrote earlier in this thread that "You are aware that John is the second most common english first name right? There is a very high probability that this is my first name." Roadie all but admitted that his first name is John.

Earlier, Roadie tried to fudge on whether he lives in China by saying: "I am in China frequently. Along with millions of other foreigners. Have never made a secret of it. I will give you another clue, I have been to Xiamen often." Now, in this post, by saying that #2-#7 are correct, Roadie finally admits that he actually does live in China.

By the way, for the readers who like connecting the dots, John Barton lives in Xiamen, the city that Roadie travels to often.
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:-) Cat - Laser Pointer - Amusement.
 
PoolSharkAllen's Contradictory Behavior.

Let's examine some of PSA's posts:

On trolls:

On a forum like this one, it's crucial that the trolls be kept in check. Unfortunately, due to the holiday weekend, the moderators were not on top of things as they usually are.

Too often, the trolls push the boundaries of what they can get away with. IMO, the moderators should probably rein in the trolls sooner by banning or suspending them.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 09-01-2008 at 12:13 PM.

(does this apply to yourself PSA?)

On the decision of a great contributor to leave AZB:

10-05-2008, 02:05 PM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmgwalsh
I don't know the reason why he stopped but us guys over at the straight pool section are sure going to miss his input, his analysis, his tireless dedication to the game. He has made many of us play a little better.

I also wish you would finish your 14.1 book.

I too hope that Blackjack will finish his book as I had been looking forward to reading it.

I've learned a lot from Blackjack, especially from his 14.1 videos with commentary. His absence is a tremendous loss for our forum. I hope that someday he will reconsider his decision and come back.

(Blackjack contributes his thoughts on Facebook now, as do many other formerly prolific members)

On the subject of helping AZ members financially:

AZB fund - 08-20-2009, 11:01 AM

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In view of some threads recently in which certain posters were asking for financial assistance, it occured to me that we might be able to create a fund within the AZB community to help fund worthwhile causes.

Consider that AZB has a membership of over 13,000 members. If just 1000 members were to contribute a modest $20 annually to this fund, we could easily raise $20,000 a year. While it's possible that we may raise less than this, with 13,000 members I think we could eventually raise substantially more money than 20K a year.

If the AZB community had a fund to work with, we could use it to promote causes that are important to us. Some ideas include the following:
- provide funds for talented players to participate in tournaments
- mitigate the expenses incurred with offering free web streaming
- provide free web streaming to even more events
- contribute money to a tournament prize fund
- provide funds for advertising, promoting and marketing of pool-related events.

The details of how all this would work still need to be determined. However, I think that this idea has tremendous potential to both enhance pool's image and also support the causes that are important to us.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 08-20-2009 at 11:38 AM.

(interesting because he now makes a point of attempting to run off AZ members who have a history of providing assistance to other members in need)

On internet posters who harass professionals:

Russ,
Given that you posted an unbelievable 28 times in that other thread, you were clearly arguing not discussing the merits of what it takes to become a champion.

For one thing, you hijacked that thread. The topic was "What does it take to become a champion?" My definition of a "champion" is someone who is one of the very top players in the game.

You then proceeded to hijack the thread and define a "champion as someone who has/can win at least one major event, and dominates regional tournaments." You went on to give itty-bitty examples to support your position.

Even in this thread, you tried to redefine what a champion is: "You know, the sort of fellow that crushes B players, and leaves the B player telling his friends 'He was a champion'."

If a professional player like John Schmidt decided to leave AZB out of anger and frustration, it was primarily because of know-it-all Internet rail birds like you.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 12-04-2009 at 10:37 PM.

(So does this apply to industry professionals as well? Seems like you think it's perfectly fine to harass industry pros)

On sadism and villifying people in public:

Let's be clear: I certainly don't condone Earl's inappropriate behavior. Having said that, I think you are getting a certain sadistic pleasure in starting this thread and literally pushing Earl down the stairs and vilifying him in a public forum.

In this thread you've called Earl a clown, lacking class and a disgrace. As proof of that, you've cited Earl's raking the balls and covering his ears. It's already been explained to you that Earl was simply conceding the game after missing an easy shot with ball-in-hand. With Earl's high standards, perhaps he didn't feel like he deserved to win after missing with BIH.

As for Earl's covering his ears, by itself it surely doesn't mean that he lacks class and is a disgrace. Have some empathy for him, especially if Earl actually does have mental problems.

Compared to other incidents that have occurred with Earl, what happened here was hardly the "meltdown" that you're making this out to be.

(does not apply when you do it?)

On CTE:

What's really bizarre about this silly CTE thread is why GetMeThere has posted over 300 times in this thread. GMT persists in trying to tell people that CTE doesn't work when he hasn't even tried to learn or use it.

If CTE really doesn't work, then it's to GMT's competitive advantage to encourage people to use a system that doesn't work.

Arguing about CTE is like arguing over religion. If people want to believe in it, then who are you to deride them for their beliefs? If people want to learn and use CTE, then that's their choice.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 11-10-2010 at 08:58 AM.

(so when you deride people for their beliefs it's fine?)

On being a good contributing member:

07-30-2010, 02:37 PM

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Since we're a tight-knit community of pool players and fans, I think we're more inclined to help those who give back in some capacity to this forum. So before asking for help, you might want to ask yourself what you've contributed to AZB.

As a example, if you're a professional pool player, it would be great if you could share your insights, knowledge and experiences with the rest of us. Someday, you might be rewarded for it and even if you're not, you know that you've contributed to making this forum a better place for others.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 07-30-2010 at 02:53 PM.

(so you think it's good when professionals share their "insights, knowledge and experiences"? Then how do you explain harassing them to the point that they leave or explode? And I am inlcuding industry professionals here. How do you justify the harassment of professionals like Stan Shuffett by others?)

On being insulting:

You're way out of line with your insults, profanities and derogatory comments in this thread. This is the first time I've given out a Red Rep as you've definitely earned it.

(so when you do it then it's ok?)


On spreading rumors, gossip and tolerance:

Or maybe the original poster, Kybill9, is gay? It's a sad day when people start engaging in unsubstantiated gossip, rumors and innuendo.

This is a pool-related forum so threads about whether or not someone is gay are completely irrelevant and should have no place in this forum.

(so, you exhibit no tolerance and spread innuendo and rumor and yet it's ok when you do it?)

An example of "villifying in public" - which you said was not civil above:

Professional players like Thorsten apparently look down on their fans with comments like: "Fans who can't even run two balls think they know how to fix pool."

The pro players themselves don't even know how to fix pool, as evidenced by the current state of our sport. Among other things, ABP players declaring a boycott and then dragging their feet on retracting their statement is certainly not how you fix pool.

(again you do what you claim is bad)

On the topic of forum moderation:

IMO, the underlying problem is that many of these threads are poorly moderated. As a result, certain posters frequently get away with insulting people, name-calling and hijacking threads, among other things.

Some of these threads actually start out very promising with an interesting topic. Unfortunately, it can take just one poster on this forum with OCD or ADD, to ruin the forum for everyone. Invariably, the thread will become a train wreck that needs to be closed or even deleted.

It's worth emphasizing that this forum really could use more moderating so that everyone stays on their best behavior.

(luckily for you no one was monitoring your behavior this week or you would have been banned for the very offenses that you preach against.)

On being a self-appointed forum cop:

Hmm, maybe I should buy the web site? Forum bullies like JB would be gone immediately and Dave's life as a moderator would be so much easier. With a "3 strikes and you're out" rule, everyone will be on their best behavior and AZB would be the best pool web site on the Internet.

There would be no more silly 9-year disputes over aiming systems and we would no longer have to read pages upon pages of drivel from one OCD poster in just one thread.

People like me are trying to make it happen.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 11-19-2011 at 07:59 AM.

(so deliberately starting a thread to create controversy in the aiming forum is your idea of promoting peace?)

On the rules:

The forum rules for etiquette specify that posters shall not engage in ad hominem attacks, name calling and insulting each other.

Regardless of whether you put the aiming threads into a sub-forum, there needs to be better enforcement of the forum rules. There are posters here who have been warned and banned multiple times, yet they continue to post with impunity. The three strikes and you're out rule should be enforced without exceptions or favoritism.

IMO, it's not sufficient to just move the aiming threads into another forum where they are less visible. We also need to put some teeth into enforcing the forum rules.

(when you engaged in this very behavior here in this thread: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=283974 should you have been banned?)


This is by no means a complete list. PoolSharkAllen regularly harasses others, namecalls and engages in trolling behavior as evident by the thread he started about John Schmidt's comments on aiming systems and subsequent remarks therin. Dear readers, you can make up your own minds about the quality level of this person's posts by simply reading what he has done.

As a self-appointed forum policeman this person regularly reports others for the same things that he engages in. At least that is how I see it. As Mr. Schmidt said at the end of his rant, maybe I am wrong. You decide.
 
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Roadie said:
PoolSharkAllen's Contradictory Behavior.

Let's examine some of PSA's posts:

On trolls:

On a forum like this one, it's crucial that the trolls be kept in check. Unfortunately, due to the holiday weekend, the moderators were not on top of things as they usually are.

Too often, the trolls push the boundaries of what they can get away with. IMO, the moderators should probably rein in the trolls sooner by banning or suspending them.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 09-01-2008 at 12:13 PM.

(does this apply to yourself PSA?)

On the decision of a great contributor to leave AZB:

10-05-2008, 02:05 PM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dmgwalsh
I don't know the reason why he stopped but us guys over at the straight pool section are sure going to miss his input, his analysis, his tireless dedication to the game. He has made many of us play a little better.

I also wish you would finish your 14.1 book.

I too hope that Blackjack will finish his book as I had been looking forward to reading it.

I've learned a lot from Blackjack, especially from his 14.1 videos with commentary. His absence is a tremendous loss for our forum. I hope that someday he will reconsider his decision and come back.

(Blackjack contributes his thoughts on Facebook now, as do many other formerly prolific members)

On the subject of helping AZ members financially:

AZB fund - 08-20-2009, 11:01 AM

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In view of some threads recently in which certain posters were asking for financial assistance, it occured to me that we might be able to create a fund within the AZB community to help fund worthwhile causes.

Consider that AZB has a membership of over 13,000 members. If just 1000 members were to contribute a modest $20 annually to this fund, we could easily raise $20,000 a year. While it's possible that we may raise less than this, with 13,000 members I think we could eventually raise substantially more money than 20K a year.

If the AZB community had a fund to work with, we could use it to promote causes that are important to us. Some ideas include the following:
- provide funds for talented players to participate in tournaments
- mitigate the expenses incurred with offering free web streaming
- provide free web streaming to even more events
- contribute money to a tournament prize fund
- provide funds for advertising, promoting and marketing of pool-related events.

The details of how all this would work still need to be determined. However, I think that this idea has tremendous potential to both enhance pool's image and also support the causes that are important to us.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 08-20-2009 at 11:38 AM.

(interesting because he now makes a point of attempting to run off AZ members who have a history of providing assistance to other members in need)

On internet posters who harass professionals:

Russ,
Given that you posted an unbelievable 28 times in that other thread, you were clearly arguing not discussing the merits of what it takes to become a champion.

For one thing, you hijacked that thread. The topic was "What does it take to become a champion?" My definition of a "champion" is someone who is one of the very top players in the game.

You then proceeded to hijack the thread and define a "champion as someone who has/can win at least one major event, and dominates regional tournaments." You went on to give itty-bitty examples to support your position.

Even in this thread, you tried to redefine what a champion is: "You know, the sort of fellow that crushes B players, and leaves the B player telling his friends 'He was a champion'."

If a professional player like John Schmidt decided to leave AZB out of anger and frustration, it was primarily because of know-it-all Internet rail birds like you.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 12-04-2009 at 10:37 PM.

(So does this apply to industry professionals as well? Seems like you think it's perfectly fine to harass industry pros)

On sadism and villifying people in public:

Let's be clear: I certainly don't condone Earl's inappropriate behavior. Having said that, I think you are getting a certain sadistic pleasure in starting this thread and literally pushing Earl down the stairs and vilifying him in a public forum.

In this thread you've called Earl a clown, lacking class and a disgrace. As proof of that, you've cited Earl's raking the balls and covering his ears. It's already been explained to you that Earl was simply conceding the game after missing an easy shot with ball-in-hand. With Earl's high standards, perhaps he didn't feel like he deserved to win after missing with BIH.

As for Earl's covering his ears, by itself it surely doesn't mean that he lacks class and is a disgrace. Have some empathy for him, especially if Earl actually does have mental problems.

Compared to other incidents that have occurred with Earl, what happened here was hardly the "meltdown" that you're making this out to be.

(does not apply when you do it?)

On CTE:

What's really bizarre about this silly CTE thread is why GetMeThere has posted over 300 times in this thread. GMT persists in trying to tell people that CTE doesn't work when he hasn't even tried to learn or use it.

If CTE really doesn't work, then it's to GMT's competitive advantage to encourage people to use a system that doesn't work.

Arguing about CTE is like arguing over religion. If people want to believe in it, then who are you to deride them for their beliefs? If people want to learn and use CTE, then that's their choice.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 11-10-2010 at 08:58 AM.

(so when you deride people for their beliefs it's fine?)

On being a good contributing member:

07-30-2010, 02:37 PM

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Since we're a tight-knit community of pool players and fans, I think we're more inclined to help those who give back in some capacity to this forum. So before asking for help, you might want to ask yourself what you've contributed to AZB.

As a example, if you're a professional pool player, it would be great if you could share your insights, knowledge and experiences with the rest of us. Someday, you might be rewarded for it and even if you're not, you know that you've contributed to making this forum a better place for others.

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Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 07-30-2010 at 02:53 PM.

(so you think it's good when professionals share their "insights, knowledge and experiences"? Then how do you explain harassing them to the point that they leave or explode? And I am inlcuding industry professionals here. How do you justify the harassment of professionals like Stan Shuffett by others?)

On being insulting:

You're way out of line with your insults, profanities and derogatory comments in this thread. This is the first time I've given out a Red Rep as you've definitely earned it.

(so when you do it then it's ok?)


On spreading rumors, gossip and tolerance:

Or maybe the original poster, Kybill9, is gay? It's a sad day when people start engaging in unsubstantiated gossip, rumors and innuendo.

This is a pool-related forum so threads about whether or not someone is gay are completely irrelevant and should have no place in this forum.

(so, you exhibit no tolerance and spread innuendo and rumor and yet it's ok when you do it?)

An example of "villifying in public" - which you said was not civil above:

Professional players like Thorsten apparently look down on their fans with comments like: "Fans who can't even run two balls think they know how to fix pool."

The pro players themselves don't even know how to fix pool, as evidenced by the current state of our sport. Among other things, ABP players declaring a boycott and then dragging their feet on retracting their statement is certainly not how you fix pool.

(again you do what you claim is bad)

On the topic of forum moderation:

IMO, the underlying problem is that many of these threads are poorly moderated. As a result, certain posters frequently get away with insulting people, name-calling and hijacking threads, among other things.

Some of these threads actually start out very promising with an interesting topic. Unfortunately, it can take just one poster on this forum with OCD or ADD, to ruin the forum for everyone. Invariably, the thread will become a train wreck that needs to be closed or even deleted.

It's worth emphasizing that this forum really could use more moderating so that everyone stays on their best behavior.

(luckily for you no one was monitoring your behavior this week or you would have been banned for the very offenses that you preach against.)

On being a self-appointed forum cop:

Hmm, maybe I should buy the web site? Forum bullies like JB would be gone immediately and Dave's life as a moderator would be so much easier. With a "3 strikes and you're out" rule, everyone will be on their best behavior and AZB would be the best pool web site on the Internet.

There would be no more silly 9-year disputes over aiming systems and we would no longer have to read pages upon pages of drivel from one OCD poster in just one thread.

People like me are trying to make it happen.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Last edited by PoolSharkAllen; 11-19-2011 at 07:59 AM.

(so deliberately starting a thread to create controversy in the aiming forum is your idea of promoting peace?)

On the rules:

The forum rules for etiquette specify that posters shall not engage in ad hominem attacks, name calling and insulting each other.

Regardless of whether you put the aiming threads into a sub-forum, there needs to be better enforcement of the forum rules. There are posters here who have been warned and banned multiple times, yet they continue to post with impunity. The three strikes and you're out rule should be enforced without exceptions or favoritism.

IMO, it's not sufficient to just move the aiming threads into another forum where they are less visible. We also need to put some teeth into enforcing the forum rules.

(when you engaged in this very behavior here in this thread: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=283974 should you have been banned?)


This is by no means a complete list. PoolSharkAllen regularly harasses others, namecalls and engages in trolling behavior as evident by the thread he started about John Schmidt's comments on aiming systems and subsequent remarks therin. Dear readers, you can make up your own minds about the quality level of this person's posts by simply reading what he has done.

As a self-appointed forum policeman this person regularly reports others for the same things that he engages in. At least that is how I see it. As Mr. Schmidt said at the end of his rant, maybe I am wrong. You decide.
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