Just going to vent some.....

pdcue said:
You make cues and you don't know the difference between a custom cue
and a production cue???

I know the difference between a legitimate post for discussion and pointless
trolling - guess which category you fall into?

Dale(it needed to be said)
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Aloha Dale

Is it to hard for you to give us your opinion on the subject? You have been asked numerous questions about the subject, but I have yet to read one logical response in return. Coming in here with one sentence/ know it all answers is not being helping. If you would like to be part of the discussion then please join in. If you would like to just troll around without sharing your opinion then you are free to go.

I do know the difference between the two in my own opinion, but opinions can be swayed and or flawed, so please give us all some insite as to where your opinion lies between Prodution and Custom cues.

I'm sure you are familiar with the phrase " opinions are like A holes". To which side of this fence do you fall? I'll be waiting on you opinion.

Aloha
 
JoeyInCali said:
Will you see each client play and evaluate his needs?
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Yea, I think that would be the only way to make it work. Granted the cue maker would have to have some pretty in depth knowledge about stroke mechanics and the game, but the majority of us do anyway. The Instructors could help out where we are lacking in knowledge if the need arises. I would love to see what this type of fitting could do for a topped ranked player. The experiment could be fun.

Aloha
 
qbilder said:
Nobody is preventing you from giving it a go. I encourage you to try anything you take an interest in. My post was more of an answer as to why I do not follow your ideas, as well as some insight to what you may encounter if you go down that path. To me, a 58", 19oz., 13mm, 19in. balance point cue is a baseline standard from which customization begins. If you have no baseline, how do you know where to begin? The vast majority of players are already accustomed to & comfortable with 58" cues. The closest you can keep to that baseline, the more players you will appeal to. It comes around to that old proverb where you can sell an apple for $1 & make some money. I sell an apple for $.50 and make a lot more money. Point being you'll sell a whole lot more 58" cues than a "custom fitted" cue. As noble as your intentions may be, it's a proven failed plan. Just ask Eddie Wheat.
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I am not familiar with Mr. Wheat but will definety do some research. Cues for me are not much more then an artistic release. I get board and have some idea and just have to try it out. It's never been about the money, more about the testing of theory's to come up with the best possible results. It's been through this testing that I discovered the detriment to my own game,and it was in the fittment of the cue.

Then I read all these post about " custom this and custom that". And wonder just who are they custom for? Hence the reason for venting in this tread, which has led me to new ideas should I decide to Produce cues to the masses.

Again thank you for you comments,it is most appreciated.

Aloha
 
Albatross Cues said:
Yea, I think that would be the only way to make it work. Granted the cue maker would have to have some pretty in depth knowledge about stroke mechanics and the game, but the majority of us do anyway. The Instructors could help out where we are lacking in knowledge if the need arises. I would love to see what this type of fitting could do for a topped ranked player. The experiment could be fun.

Aloha
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Mike Gullyasy did it for Earl Strickland.
He ended up with that cue Earl uses now after several changes.
I can only imagine the nightmare trying to do the same for C- players and lower.
 
Albatross Cues said:
Aloha

RJ, Its not about work involved, it's about the "Custom fitting" to a specific player and not following the custom of just another "Custom" cue.

But maybe you could share some insite as to what would be a truly custom cue in your opinion.

And to answer your question, I believe if nobody has purchased it yet and it was not built custom to a player specific specs, then I would concider this a " one of one" and not "Custom".

Aloha
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The problem is you are hung up on "custom" and "custom fitted". you have to understand, that most, and I mean, MOST folks, 58" is just fine and dandy, won't ever need an extra inch or two, or whatever. So, yeah, the giant dudes and the really tine folks have to get more fitted, and probably goes the same with their clothing as well. Most things are made for the folks that are in the 80% percentile to market to as many folks as possible. Thus, the custom "clothing" folks can pick up the 20% or so out of the mainstream.

So, no, I don't need a cue maker to determine what size cue I want to shoot with. It's a custom cue based on it NOT being production.

So, if Joe Blow, not very good cue maker makes a cue in his dirty garage with no humidity control, it's still custom, just not a very good custom.

Thus, nobody should make the mistake of assuming all "custom" is good. Just the same that all "production" is bad.

SO, yes, I owned a Burton Spain for 33 years (sold now) and I was second owner even though it was only a few months old. Yes, Spain is a custom cue maker, is anyone going to argue I did not own a "custom" cue ??
 
JoeyInCali said:
Mike Gullyasy did it for Earl Strickland.
He ended up with that cue Earl uses now after several changes.
I can only imagine the nightmare trying to do the same for C- players and lower.
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This would be a real pain in the rear, but just maybe you do get a Production facility to produce cues in different lengths. Sell them to the masses just like starter cues today. Kinda the same as it is now. First starting out with a house cue, or cheap production model, learning what you like and moving forward. , as they would not be truly ready for a "custom fitted" cue. It would give the laymen player some place to start. Maybe have different length house cues on the wall at the local pool hall. Give the regular player some place to start.

Mostly this concept would only apply to a very limited few who would really want to take their game to the next level. But the Prodution facilitys could fill the gap between the two. Although thier profitability may take the hit in the long run. Who knows, crazier things have been tried.

The trend seems to be going the way of the longer cue anyway, longer shafts, extensions and such. There seems to be a market there, so why not take the next step of "custom fitting". The players and the game will both benefit in the long run, but that is just my opinion, and I have been known to come up with some crazy ideas.

Aloha
 
If you buy a cue from a fly by night cue maker custom or not it will not appreciate in value and probably won't perform as well as a decent chinese cue. There are a lot of good cue makers that take pride in there work and build a really good cue but they are usually expensive and have a waiting list.Just my 2 cents worth.
 
Albatross Cues said:
This would be a real pain in the rear, but just maybe you do get a Production facility to produce cues in different lengths. Sell them to the masses just like starter cues today. Kinda the same as it is now. First starting out with a house cue, or cheap production model, learning what you like and moving forward. , as they would not be truly ready for a "custom fitted" cue. It would give the laymen player some place to start. Maybe have different length house cues on the wall at the local pool hall. Give the regular player some place to start.

Mostly this concept would only apply to a very limited few who would really want to take their game to the next level. But the Prodution facilitys could fill the gap between the two. Although thier profitability may take the hit in the long run. Who knows, crazier things have been tried.

The trend seems to be going the way of the longer cue anyway, longer shafts, extensions and such. There seems to be a market there, so why not take the next step of "custom fitting". The players and the game will both benefit in the long run, but that is just my opinion, and I have been known to come up with some crazy ideas.

Aloha
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Some stuff, I leave to others.
This one, I'd leave to you. :grin:
If you corner that custom fitting market, more power to you. :wink:
 
I am not a cuemaker. Just an avid pool player. Someone told me a long time ago that dont ever let anyone tell you that its because of the cue that got you better. I believe anyone can get really good with any reasonable equipment as long as they put it the time to pratice with that equipment. The player behind the cue makes how good you play and not the cue itself. The problem is that as poolplayers, we are never satisfied and always looking for the next best thing on the market.
 
qbilder said:
True words. It's the Indian, not the arrow. However, a smart Indian uses the best arrows he can possibly get.
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And the best bow he can possibly make or handle. To unwieldy a bow and the arrow doesn't do anything and the Indian looks like a nit.
 
808billiards said:
I am not a cuemaker. Just an avid pool player. Someone told me a long time ago that dont ever let anyone tell you that its because of the cue that got you better. I believe anyone can get really good with any reasonable equipment as long as they put it the time to pratice with that equipment. The player behind the cue makes how good you play and not the cue itself. The problem is that as poolplayers, we are never satisfied and always looking for the next best thing on the market.
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Aloha

This is very true brah, Most are lookng for the next best thing, trying to find he holy grail, but the cue can increase the confidence and comfort level, which could increase the level of the player.

Aloha
 
Albatross Cues said:
And the best bow he can possibly make or handle. To unwieldy a bow and the arrow doesn't do anything and the Indian looks like a nit.
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Plus, you do realize you can order a diff size from a production cue company.. little extra charge. Not a custom cue, but customized to your liking
 
ChicagoRJ said:
The problem is you are hung up on "custom" and "custom fitted". you have to understand, that most, and I mean, MOST folks, 58" is just fine and dandy, won't ever need an extra inch or two, or whatever. So, yeah, the giant dudes and the really tine folks have to get more fitted, and probably goes the same with their clothing as well. Most things are made for the folks that are in the 80% percentile to market to as many folks as possible. Thus, the custom "clothing" folks can pick up the 20% or so out of the mainstream.

So, no, I don't need a cue maker to determine what size cue I want to shoot with. It's a custom cue based on it NOT being production.

So, if Joe Blow, not very good cue maker makes a cue in his dirty garage with no humidity control, it's still custom, just not a very good custom.

Thus, nobody should make the mistake of assuming all "custom" is good. Just the same that all "production" is bad.

SO, yes, I owned a Burton Spain for 33 years (sold now) and I was second owner even though it was only a few months old. Yes, Spain is a custom cue maker, is anyone going to argue I did not own a "custom" cue ??
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Aloha RJ

adjectiveNORTH AMERICAN
adjective: custom
1.
made or done to order for a particular customer.

This is exactly the reason for me venting in this thread. Your Spain may have been custom for somebody. But who was it? Did they posses the same stroke mechanics as you, making the cue a perfect fit for your style of play. It may fit you just fine, I do not know, or you could be so enamored with the cue that you develope your stroke for said cue. I do not know.

You are right, a 58" cue can be fine for anybody, anyone can pick it up and hit a ball with it. They may even get some good results. But when your talking about the top echelon of the players out there who are always looking for that little advantage, why would you not want some thing that fits your particular style of play.

As far as your Spain is concerned, from the strick definition of the term...no, it was not custom for you. From the pool player/cue maker standard, ...Yes.

I would love to own a Spain and envy you for having had one, but I would have a hard time selling it labeled as a custom cue.

Aloha
 
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