just got back from cue-tech pool school....WOW!

scottycoyote

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ok im back from cue-tech pool school and all i can say is I am supremely impressed.

I told you guys I would write a review when I got back from the school, so here it is. First off I want to start with a disclaimer of sorts. One thing RandyG said to me was that i was an excellent student. I got to thinking about that on my drive home tonight and you know what..........hes right. That may seem like a bold or egotistical statement, but let me explain. My whole life so far I have been a student, grade school, high school, college, and now due to my profession, I have to attend 4 or 5 seminars for several days every year to maintain my position. So for about 33 or 34 of my 38 years I have been a student, Ive learned how to take my ego out of the learning process, and go into a teaching/learning situation and get quite a bit out of it. The reason im mentioning this, is I noticed that I seemed to really walk away from this class extremely pumped up and excited, lightbulbs going off all during the course for me, and Randy was noticing this too. I guess my point is this...........I walked away from the class unbelieveably pleased with the material, what i perceive as my progress, and my future game of pool, but I also think I might be a best case scenario, and maybe if youre not a good student, or you have a huge ego, or maybe youre married to your current fundamentals because of the time or money already invested in them, and youre not open to a new way to do things...........well maybe you wont have the same results as me, so keep that in mind.

DAY ONE
........I walked in eager, with some skepticism, because this was my first pool lesson of any kind. While im no expert let me say Ive been playing pool off and on for the last 20 years (with a 10 year layoff in the middle), and the last 3 years more seriously than I ever did before. My home pool room considers me a b+, a-, and honestly i considered myself a pretty good player, who breaks down here and there and just needing to get some answers. Randy started the school with all of us sitting down and im looking at this guy thinking, "I've never seen you on tv, I've never seen you beat archer or strickland or reyes, how do I know youre any good". Sure we all say that a great player doesnt make a good teacher, but I think deep down you want to learn from someone whos recognized as a great player, because theyre doing something right to be that good, and if they could teach it to you, well jackpot.
End of day one I walked away, not really very excited. I could see how what I was being taught might help my game a little if I could apply it, but applying it might be a problem.

DAY TWO
I come back into class, and as the day progresses Im noticing progress in my stroke........Im able to do what the instructors want me to do, where the day before I was struggling. Mind you Im not pocketing balls, Im doing drills to work on my stroke, so I really dont know if this is helping my pool game, I just know Im doing what Randy is trying to teach me with alot more ease. During both days we have been videotaped and graded on a checklist of things, and ive made vast improvement per them from day one over to day two.

DAY THREE
The students are turned loose a little more, Im getting to shoot shots and pocket balls.....and Im noticing that im very smooth, my draw and follow are better than Ive ever known with minimal effort on my part. Probably around 11am Randy dropped a series of bombs on us (or at least me) that had me just repeatedly saying "wow" out loud.......looking at other students and shaking my head......just completely bowled over. I was shooting shots with ease I would have struggled with before the school. For instance, my draw was getting worse and worse. Seems like a few years ago i had decent draw in terms of distance, not controllable but impressive. As of late I felt like I was killing the cueball and if the object ball was far away the draw was pathetic. This afternoon, i could put the cueball on the head spot.......an object ball straight in down by the footspot....and draw the cue back to the headrail with a lite medium stroke. This had my jaw dropping because I might could have done that with a hard stroke and make the shot 2 out of 10 times before.......I was doing it 4 out of 5 times now......with HALF THE STROKE!!!. There was alot more differences I noticed, this was just one of the things that popped out at me. I could go on and on here, but you get the jist. And this is just day 3 of the school......imagine what this will do for my poolgame over time as i get to work with it and let it become habit.


SO A CONCLUSION
...........I paid $625, and drove about 1200 miles between friday and sunday. Im tired, my back is sore, I miss my girlfriend, but Im more excited about my pool game than I think Ive ever been since I first picked the game up and started making progress in it. To me, $625 isnt a lot of money, but its nothing to sneeze at either. But considering how I feel right now about my game and my future ability to play, progress and diagnose my game from here on out, it seems like a complete steal. I think I would have paid 3 or 4 times the price if I knew before the school what I know now. Its just a complete program, including alot of psychology, physiology, physics, sports psychology, and of course........POOL!

Before I was a pretty good player who played well in spite of my pool game..............RandyG and the cue-tech instructors have given me the tools and knowledge to become an excellent player BECAUSE of my pool game.

I dont want to sound sappy, or like Ive been brainwashed, but i really feel like RandyG has given me a wonderful gift. I cant recommend this course enough if you have questions and really want someone to give you the answers like I did.
 
That's an excellent endorsement. I just shortlisted Randy. Thank you for sharing.

Was this with the new cue? impressions, likes, dislikes?
 
Randy G is a very special teacher. I'm glad to hear that your learning experience was so rewarding.

Here's wishing you every success with your game.
 
hey guru.......ive been out of town since thursday, just saw your post tonight on my 60" cue thread.
Im still happy with my new cue, the taper is just right, not whippy.......but during my first day of school I noticed the extra weight of the Klein (its a little over 20 oz) where my old 58" schon is only about 18.5. The school require alot of slow motion stoke practice in the beginning and i was having an awful time trying to get used to the Klein and the school too, after all I just got it last tuesday and pool school was the 2nd time I had ever shot with it.
So really I look at this as even more of an endorsement for the school, if I was doing all this stuff with my new Klein I think a part of me would be thinking "yeah this school helped but this new stick helped too"......where now I know its not the cue doing it.....its me.
 
by the way i meant to tell you.....i picked my klein up off ebay thru the guy who has www.sneakypete.net, for $255 I think I got a heck of a good deal, a nice, no frills 60" cue. Im going to play with it more in the future and decide whether I want a nicer custom 60 built or not.
 
So, Do they break down your whole game back to fundamentals? I'd like to go to a school maybe, but I have become very attatched to my "game". I fear change....:)....G
 
Scott.
You made an excellent point. You ARE a good student, and being one who was willing to be open minded enough to allow the information presented to penetrate your mind, and then going to the table and applying it is the key to getting the most out of the class.

I watched you shoot that draw shot! Your stroke appeared smooth and effortless, and look at the results!

I have been teaching for quite a while, one on one, and in a group setting like we did this weekend. This class of students was one of the best overall groups I have had the pleasure of working with. And the mix of instructors was pretty darn strong as well. Bob, John and Michael took the material presented out to the tables with the students, and made sure each student was "getting it". All the instructors stuck around for a couple of hours after class finished on Sunday. During our conversations, we all agreed that the results we saw with all the students in that group were very impressive. As Randy said several times, we as instructors had the easy job...it was the students who had to do the work. You guys (and ladies) all did a great job.
I am sure you are going to see the results of your efforts come out in your game.

It was a pleasure meeting you, and I wish you the best in your game.

Steve
 
Gerry said:
So, Do they break down your whole game back to fundamentals? I'd like to go to a school maybe, but I have become very attatched to my "game". I fear change....:)....G

Yes Gerry, they take you back to your fundamentals. But the best thing you learn is, how to repair yourself if you get out of whack.

I went to Pool School 5 years ago and I still remember what they taught me. It's money well spent, believe me.

Barbara
 
pooltchr said:
Scott.
You made an excellent point. You ARE a good student, and being one who was willing to be open minded enough to allow the information presented to penetrate your mind, and then going to the table and applying it is the key to getting the most out of the class.

I watched you shoot that draw shot! Your stroke appeared smooth and effortless, and look at the results!

I have been teaching for quite a while, one on one, and in a group setting like we did this weekend. This class of students was one of the best overall groups I have had the pleasure of working with. And the mix of instructors was pretty darn strong as well. Bob, John and Michael took the material presented out to the tables with the students, and made sure each student was "getting it". All the instructors stuck around for a couple of hours after class finished on Sunday. During our conversations, we all agreed that the results we saw with all the students in that group were very impressive. As Randy said several times, we as instructors had the easy job...it was the students who had to do the work. You guys (and ladies) all did a great job.
I am sure you are going to see the results of your efforts come out in your game.

It was a pleasure meeting you, and I wish you the best in your game.

Steve

steve it was great meeting you as well.......and Id like to say I thought all the instructors were excellent, I just mention Randy predomintantly because he was the lead instructor, but you gave me some great tips. Bob, who is a tall and large guy like myself was also very helpful, we talked about how we thought tall people had a little different set of obstacles to overcome and I even incorporated some of the things he showed me into my own personal shooting routine.
I have to say I felt extremely lucky to have John as my one on one instructor. ALthough he is a newer instructor, he was extremely knowledgeable and just so engaged in the process. I felt like when i went to work on my drill it wasnt me working and him watching, I felt like it was a team effort thing.....he wanted me to get it as bad as i did......it was very intense.
The atmosphere was so open and relaxed......I had a question, I would ask one of you guys.....and off we would go to a table to work on it. Kudos for a great great program.
 
Barbara said:
Yes Gerry, they take you back to your fundamentals. But the best thing you learn is, how to repair yourself if you get out of whack.

I went to Pool School 5 years ago and I still remember what they taught me. It's money well spent, believe me.

Barbara
I completed the school in June during a road class into the DC metro area. The class is geared to someone who has picked up a cue, played a few games and who has the open mind to work on the consistencies necessary to get to the next level.
The instructors introduce and later have you work on "Mother Drills" that are foundation of the basics of a good stroke to helping refine the stroke for consistency. They also outline a routine for everything you do prior to getting down to stroke the cue ball to evaluating everything after the stroke has completed.
The class was a bargain at $625 and would recommend it to anyone.
I am looking forward to a refresher of this same class (free of charge of course) and then taking the next class to get my game to the next level of consistency (next class is out of pocket expense of course).
Later!
 
scottycoyote said:
ok im back from cue-tech pool school and all i can say is I am supremely impressed.

I told you guys I would write a review when I got back from the school, so here it is. First off I want to start with a disclaimer of sorts. One thing RandyG said to me was that i was an excellent student. I got to thinking about that on my drive home tonight and you know what..........hes right. That may seem like a bold or egotistical statement, but let me explain. My whole life so far I have been a student, grade school, high school, college, and now due to my profession, I have to attend 4 or 5 seminars for several days every year to maintain my position. So for about 33 or 34 of my 38 years I have been a student, Ive learned how to take my ego out of the learning process, and go into a teaching/learning situation and get quite a bit out of it. The reason im mentioning this, is I noticed that I seemed to really walk away from this class extremely pumped up and excited, lightbulbs going off all during the course for me, and Randy was noticing this too. I guess my point is this...........I walked away from the class unbelieveably pleased with the material, what i perceive as my progress, and my future game of pool, but I also think I might be a best case scenario, and maybe if youre not a good student, or you have a huge ego, or maybe youre married to your current fundamentals because of the time or money already invested in them, and youre not open to a new way to do things...........well maybe you wont have the same results as me, so keep that in mind.

DAY ONE
........I walked in eager, with some skepticism, because this was my first pool lesson of any kind. While im no expert let me say Ive been playing pool off and on for the last 20 years (with a 10 year layoff in the middle), and the last 3 years more seriously than I ever did before. My home pool room considers me a b+, a-, and honestly i considered myself a pretty good player, who breaks down here and there and just needing to get some answers. Randy started the school with all of us sitting down and im looking at this guy thinking, "I've never seen you on tv, I've never seen you beat archer or strickland or reyes, how do I know youre any good". Sure we all say that a great player doesnt make a good teacher, but I think deep down you want to learn from someone whos recognized as a great player, because theyre doing something right to be that good, and if they could teach it to you, well jackpot.
End of day one I walked away, not really very excited. I could see how what I was being taught might help my game a little if I could apply it, but applying it might be a problem.

DAY TWO
I come back into class, and as the day progresses Im noticing progress in my stroke........Im able to do what the instructors want me to do, where the day before I was struggling. Mind you Im not pocketing balls, Im doing drills to work on my stroke, so I really dont know if this is helping my pool game, I just know Im doing what Randy is trying to teach me with alot more ease. During both days we have been videotaped and graded on a checklist of things, and ive made vast improvement per them from day one over to day two.

DAY THREE
The students are turned loose a little more, Im getting to shoot shots and pocket balls.....and Im noticing that im very smooth, my draw and follow are better than Ive ever known with minimal effort on my part. Probably around 11am Randy dropped a series of bombs on us (or at least me) that had me just repeatedly saying "wow" out loud.......looking at other students and shaking my head......just completely bowled over. I was shooting shots with ease I would have struggled with before the school. For instance, my draw was getting worse and worse. Seems like a few years ago i had decent draw in terms of distance, not controllable but impressive. As of late I felt like I was killing the cueball and if the object ball was far away the draw was pathetic. This afternoon, i could put the cueball on the head spot.......an object ball straight in down by the footspot....and draw the cue back to the headrail with a lite medium stroke. This had my jaw dropping because I might could have done that with a hard stroke and make the shot 2 out of 10 times before.......I was doing it 4 out of 5 times now......with HALF THE STROKE!!!. There was alot more differences I noticed, this was just one of the things that popped out at me. I could go on and on here, but you get the jist. And this is just day 3 of the school......imagine what this will do for my poolgame over time as i get to work with it and let it become habit.


SO A CONCLUSION
...........I paid $625, and drove about 1200 miles between friday and sunday. Im tired, my back is sore, I miss my girlfriend, but Im more excited about my pool game than I think Ive ever been since I first picked the game up and started making progress in it. To me, $625 isnt a lot of money, but its nothing to sneeze at either. But considering how I feel right now about my game and my future ability to play, progress and diagnose my game from here on out, it seems like a complete steal. I think I would have paid 3 or 4 times the price if I knew before the school what I know now. Its just a complete program, including alot of psychology, physiology, physics, sports psychology, and of course........POOL!

Before I was a pretty good player who played well in spite of my pool game..............RandyG and the cue-tech instructors have given me the tools and knowledge to become an excellent player BECAUSE of my pool game.

I dont want to sound sappy, or like Ive been brainwashed, but i really feel like RandyG has given me a wonderful gift. I cant recommend this course enough if you have questions and really want someone to give you the answers like I did.
Sounds like a winner to me.Keep us up to date on your improvement over the next few months..
Thankss
 
scottycoyote said:
ok im back from cue-tech pool school and all i can say is I am supremely impressed.


Besides, Randy, who were the instructors?
 
Now I have to also say that if you've got access to any Master BCA Instructor, or Certified BCA Instructor, you will experience similar instruction, but not on a 3-day gig.

Randy and his school is a great bargain. But if you can't assimilate all the information they give to you in three days, you should go through personal instruction over a period of time. Your brain will hurt with all the info you get with Pool School. Plus, you have to hole yourself up for a while to really understand and absorb what you've learned. Your mileage may vary. I holed up for about 9 months in my basement working on the mechanics and info I learned. I think I'm much better for it.

But if you do have access to a BCA Certified/Master Instructor in your area, go for it!

Barbara
 
Barbara said:
Your brain will hurt with all the info you get with Pool School.
Barbara
I have to agree plus your body can feel the pain with all the table time plus I had a 90 minute commute on some days to the school site.

Barbara said:
I holed up for about 9 months in my basement working on the mechanics and info I learned. I think I'm much better for it.
Barbara
Wow...Wish I had a table at home to work the mechanics until it became second nature.

Good luck in your game.
 
TATE said:
Besides, Randy, who were the instructors?
well i dont know their last names.......one was steve, who posted earlier and is based in charlotte, as well as Bob who was from oklahoma. John was the room owner as well as an instructor and another gentleman from durham, i think Mike was his name. I think maybe john and the guy from durham were beginning instructors but I really enjoyed johns help with my game.

and yes you are supposed to hold off on any serious play until at least 3 weeks has passed to allow these changes to take hold. Im going to stay away from my home room for awhile and play in basements and run my drills until some time has passed
 
scottycoyote said:
well i dont know their last names.......one was steve, who posted earlier and is based in charlotte, as well as Bob who was from oklahoma. John was the room owner as well as an instructor and another gentleman from durham, i think Mike was his name. I think maybe john and the guy from durham were beginning instructors but I really enjoyed johns help with my game.

and yes you are supposed to hold off on any serious play until at least 3 weeks has passed to allow these changes to take hold. Im going to stay away from my home room for awhile and play in basements and run my drills until some time has passed
This is the most positive review I have ever read regarding taking pool lessons.
I believe teacher and student needs to be compatible in order for the lessons to work--they have to fit.
I know a guy here who is a student of Randy G but he could not play a radio. He is also not a good instructor. I mean, Randy G is so well known but this guy almost makes Randy look bad by being so inadequate.
So, in all fairness, the potential and learning ability of the student is also very important.
Like you said, may be you are a better student than others and therefore you manage to make the most out of your lessons.
Thank you for sharing.
 
Sometimes it's the student, sometimes it's the teacher. There's always a limit as to who can learn certain things and to what degree. My rottweiler is a terrible driver, despite repeated attempts to teach her.
 
alpine9430 said:
I have to agree plus your body can feel the pain with all the table time plus I had a 90 minute commute on some days to the school site.


Wow...Wish I had a table at home to work the mechanics until it became second nature.

Good luck in your game.

Thanks!! I'm pretty G-D lucky with having Dawn Hopkins, Fran Crimi, Joe Tucker, and RandyG's Pool School on my resume.

And let's not forget Trenton Marty Ciccia as my first coach. He took Earl Strickland to the hill in last year's US Open.

I highly recommend anything Joe Tucker has on paper. I holed up with him for 3 days for lessons and learned a BUNCH! Dawn Hopkins can straighten out your stroke and give you drills you'll never forget. Fran can actually help you *sight unseen with any problem* if she's seen you before because she has an unbelievable memory and a way of teaching that's beyond belief, it's true teaching skill. You would do yourself a HUGE favor to see her for a lesson or some if you're in the area. And Pool School is definitely the bomb, but you have to commit yourself for it and there's no way out! In my class, we actually had a drop out, and that was sad. All the instructors are excellent!

I need to contact Trenton Marty again. He taught me the "You read this on the table because the lights are this way" kind of bank shots I forget now.

Or do I need to buy that Banking Book now?

Barbara
 
The instructors were
RandyG
Cane (Bob Nunley)
Pooltchr (Steve Jennings)

Beginning Instructors were John Hendrick, Owner of the Green Room where the school was held, and Michael Mercer from Durham, NC. Both John and Michael had already been through the class, and were working under Randy's watchful eyes in an effort to become BCA recognized instructors. Based on the discussions between instructors following the class, I believe both of them well be recommended for recognition by the BCA program.
Cane and myself are both certified instructors who have been teaching for a few years. We have worked helping Randy teach both the Advanced and the Expert level courses. What made it so good was the mix of personalities.
At one point, the student I had been successfully working with for a day and a half, just wasn't getting what I was trying to tell her. I immediately got Bob's attention and we traded students for about an hour. Bob was able to present the same information in a different way, and the student "got it". That is the advantage of taking the class in a group setting. Multiple students and multiple teachers allows everyone to work with each other, and the learning happens with greater ease. On day 3, Bob was having a similar situation, and I switched with him again and his student picked up the information in just a few minutes. I tend to be a bit more analytical while Bob is a bit more creative. When the two of us work together, we can compliment one another with different teaching styles.

Both individual instruction, and group instruction offer different advantages. One lets the student work at their own pace, while the other allows for a greater variety of teaching methods to be used. I don't think either is better than the other, but given the choice, I would probably lean toward the class room group setting. As an instructor, I definitely like the "pool school" atmosphere. The exchange of ideas just seems to be at a greater level.

Steve
 
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