just need a GOOD dvd on draw shoys

DirtyIrish

Not even close to the OGs
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hi everyone
I know Y'all are busy so I will make it short
where can I get a GOOD Draw shot DVD (long short intermediate ) you can write and tell me BUT the impact will be the same I screw it up reading would rather have someone there or a Video
Thanks
John
 
hi man,
you live in Texas- so you would have the easiest and great alternative to do something REALLY useful!

If i were you i would contact Randy Goettlicher (RandyG here no AZ). He and *his* instructor-family are working with video cams-for me also still the best way. It would make more sense that such an experienced instructor would instruct you and make a video OF YOU. That will help you more than any bought video available. A cam don t lie-and to see yourself shows you how to make it.

lg from overseas,

Ingo
 
hi everyone
I know Y'all are busy so I will make it short
where can I get a GOOD Draw shot DVD (long short intermediate ) you can write and tell me BUT the impact will be the same I screw it up reading would rather have someone there or a Video
Thanks
John



Hi John

The Draw shot is the same as a Follow or Stop shot. The cue stick is just striking the cue ball a little lower.

Maybe you are asking for Draw drills? Try this out: http://www.billiebilliards.com/pointers.html



randyg
 
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drawing the rock

hi everyone
I know Y'all are busy so I will make it short
where can I get a GOOD Draw shot DVD (long short intermediate ) you can write and tell me BUT the impact will be the same I screw it up reading would rather have someone there or a Video
Thanks
John

You already have two excellent responses. A viewing of Dr. Dave's video and a visit to Randy G should be all you need (plus actual dedication and practice of course). For any AZers in north Florida, I may be able to help. I have a friend who, after playing pool for almost forty years, never used draw or even stop, because he had an unconscious fear of the shot. He would take nice practice strokes, aiming correctly, but then he would stop his final pull-back about an inch or two from the CB, jerk forward with a two-inch stroke and then immediately snap the cue back. The result was usually no draw at all and a missed shot. He was really afraid to take a normal stroke. It took a lot of effort, but I developed several techniques for my buddy and finally we overcame his problem. One of these techniques, which may be unique to my teaching approach, actually forces the shooter to both follow through and hit the desired point on the CB. It's not something that can easily be taught in print, it needs to be demonstrated and coached to be effective. It's part of a six-step approach to learning stop and draw that works for beginners and intermediate players who struggle for consistency with these shots.
Donny L
BCA/ACS Instructor
Gainesville, Fl
 
Do you really need to pay hundreds of dollars to learn how to execute a draw shot? LOL

He would need a bankroll of 3-4 million dollars to get enough lessons, and maybe then he could begin taking the lessons on using english.

Not "a draw shot" - any shot! I'm an instructor/coach myself, and remember refusing a guy's fifty bucks once with precisely the same "problem zone" as yours: he was effectively asking for a shortcut to sound fundamentals. The truth, however, is as Randy puts it above: technically speaking, a draw shot is the same as any shot, just hit below center. If nothing happens (= the player is unable to get much draw action on the cue ball), it's usually more than a cosmetic little problem, and rarely solved within a minute or two. It's not so much a matter of spending "hundreds" of dollars, but certainly one needs to be willing to invest some effort. Reading a book or watching a video alone isn't going to solve the problem!

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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Pocket Point...Please go back to your cellar, before you are banned for the umpteenth time. We're gonna have to tell your mom & dad to take away your computer privileges! :rolleyes:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Do you really need to pay hundreds of dollars to learn how to execute a draw shot? LOL

He would need a bankroll of 3-4 million dollars to get enough lessons, and maybe then he could begin taking the lessons on using english.
 
To invest some bucks to learn good fundamentals will bring you for sure much further than buying 20 videos, 40 books and a cue for 1.000 Dollars.
That s just experience, nothing else.
 
I've struggled with draw since I began playing. I've read most everything here, been to Dr. daves site, watched a bunch of videos.... All were treating the subject in similar (and correct) manners.... I just couldn't make it work for me. Reliably.

I spent some time with a better player than myself working on just that shot, and finally all the other material clicked. I still have light years of improvement ahead of me, but I am in a far better position to execute a decent draw shot now, compared to when I struggled. And that has made a big difference in my play.

The moral of the story... Get someone to help you. The reading material and video help is great, and shouldn't be ignored. The help that many of the instructors here provide is invaluable. At least it has been to me. (thanks again, gang!) But If you can see Randy g, in person, all the better.
 
Not "a draw shot" - any shot! I'm an instructor/coach myself, and remember refusing a guy's fifty bucks once with precisely the same "problem zone" as yours: he was effectively asking for a shortcut to sound fundamentals. The truth, however, is as Randy puts it above: technically speaking, a draw shot is the same as any shot, just hit below center. If nothing happens (= the player is unable to get much draw action on the cue ball), it's usually more than a cosmetic little problem, and rarely solved within a minute or two. It's not so much a matter of spending "hundreds" of dollars, but certainly one needs to be willing to invest some effort. Reading a book or watching a video alone isn't going to solve the problem!

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

Greetings David from Switzerland. Your country is really beautiful. Question: If a draw shot is the same as any shot, why do so many people have trouble with it?
 
Greetings David from Switzerland. Your country is really beautiful. Question: If a draw shot is the same as any shot, why do so many people have trouble with it?

I don't like generalizations, and prefer to video-tape people and treat them respectfully as the individuals they are - watching oneself is preferable to words. Explanations are comparatively tedious and confusing, and rarely helpful. Basically it has to do with fundamentals, such as failing to time one's stroke to where acceleration reaches a maximum when the tip contacts the cue ball (= for more than one reason: stance, alignment, bridge length, secondary body movement, letting up on the stroke, clasping the cue with one's grip hand, etc.), failure to hit the cue ball low (again, a number of reasons, some already mentioned, the most obvious being that the tip should either drop as in a pendulum swing or follow horizontally as in a well-honed elbow drop, versus fly up in the air). All that plus two basic misunderstandings, one that any of this has much to do with force (as in moving considerable weight), the other that one would need to do anything "special" to get draw action on the cue ball, when the reality normally is that people try too hard/do too much (coordination problems due to a lack of economy). But, and that's the big BUT: knowing what not to do won't solve the problem, and it may not even be important to know what one needs to do - I once taught an otherwise experienced but particularly stubborn player to draw his cue ball by listening and trying to emulate the sound…

When I said earlier that one needs to understand that a draw shot is like any shot, what I meant of course is from the perspective of the player, that is, his or her stroke. Physically, of course, it's natural for the cue ball to pick up friction from the cloth, and after sliding or jumping for a distance, start rolling, in other words, to get at least some follow action will seem easier to most players (plus few of the flaws/failures enumerated above can effectively keep the cue ball from doing what is natural for it to do to begin with). To get truly great follow action, however, one needs to work on one's stroke. From that perspective, all types of shots are the same - a well-timed stroke being an equal common factor.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
_________________

„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti
 
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I don't like generalizations, and prefer to video-tape people and treat them respectfully as the individuals they are - watching oneself is preferable to words. Explanations are comparatively tedious and confusing, and rarely helpful. Basically it has to do with fundamentals, such as failing to time one's stroke to where acceleration reaches a maximum when the tip contacts the cue ball (= for more than one reason: stance, alignment, bridge length, secondary body movement, letting up on the stroke, clasping the cue with one's grip hand, etc.), failure to hit the cue ball low (again, a number of reasons, some already mentioned, the most obvious being that the tip should either drop as in a pendulum swing or follow horizontally as in a well-honed elbow drop, versus fly up in the air). All that plus two basic misunderstandings, one that any of this has much to do with force (as in moving considerable weight), the other that one would need to do anything "special" to get draw action on the cue ball, when the reality normally is that people try too hard/do too much (coordination problems due to a lack of economy). But, and that's the big BUT: knowing what not to do won't solve the problem, and it may not even be important to know what one needs to do - I once taught an otherwise experienced but particularly stubborn player to draw his cue ball by listening and trying to emulate the sound…
When I said earlier that one needs to understand that a draw shot is like any shot, what I meant of course is from the perspective of the player, that is, his or her stroke. Physically, of course, it's natural for the cue to pick up friction from the cloth, and after sliding or jumping for a distance, start rolling, in other words, to get at least some follow action will seem easier to most players (plus few of the flaws/failures enumerated above can effectively keep the cue ball from doing what is natural for it to do to begin with). To get truly great follow action, however, one needs to work on one's stroke. From that perspective, all types of shots are the same - a well-timed stroke being an equal common factor.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti


..."I once taught an otherwise experienced but particularly stubborn player to draw his cue ball by listening and trying to emulate the sound…"



I love it when instructors think out of the box. I think that's a brilliant approach. Well done!
 
I think draw comes naturally. If you watch the better players they hardly ever draw the rock unless they have to. Most of the time when it looks like a draw shot, it really isn't anyways.
 
Dirty Irish...Please clear your PM box, so you can receive some.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

hi everyone
I know Y'all are busy so I will make it short
where can I get a GOOD Draw shot DVD (long short intermediate ) you can write and tell me BUT the impact will be the same I screw it up reading would rather have someone there or a Video
Thanks
John
 
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