Just returned from watching Bonus Ball in Vegas

Bonus Ball has not been the most forthcoming with information. They have been dealt a few rough blows with their construction issues. I am not sure they are always the most straightforward with what is going on with them including their table deal. First Diamond and a 10' they even talk about the tough qualities of the 10' table in their demo BB match I think the one with with Klatt and Archer. Then they go with a Chinese table abandoning Diamond who helped them out initially. I am not sure about the current table they claim the openings are fairly small but when the balls go the pockets look large to me. I would like to see 2 parallel balls at the pockets opening. I think these pockets are bigger than 3 7/8 I might be wrong but when the balls were going in the pockets the opening looked bigger than super tight. Enough on the tables I like the look of the arena.

The other ***** I have with Bonus Ball as a long distance viewer is the scheduling on top of long scheduled events. Do not care for that at all would like to see the Southern Classic be successful, I went and played at the 1st one last year, this year I will have to work so I cannot attend. I understand if they are going to have a season for xx weeks something will always be in the way but the existing pool establishment feels as if someone is trying to cherry pick all the talent. And I reckon that is what you can do if promise to pay all the talent every week, not just provide them with an event but actually pay them a check every week. If the money holds the players will be in Vegas for the season, I know they can opt out but they will not. I will be interested in what happens with the funding will it last to the biz is on solid ground.

As to the opening weekend and the stream, yeah it could have been better but Bonus Ball has deeper pockets than some other pool ventures and they are smart guys so it will only get better. I do not know Nathan very well, I have spoke with him a time or two and he might not be the best spokesman for BB, perhaps he comes off wrong but I do not think that public relations is his main forte. He is actually very good at producing video his videos have an awesome look and a Nathan production has it own feel, I think the video will be streaming hitch free in the next couple of weekends.

I am not sure the players are into the Bonus Ball game yet but if they keep playing they will learn it and when they are expert they will be more into it. I think I really like the 3 handed scotch team play concept. The 3 pocket thing is pretty cool. I think there will be some lopsided games 30-0 and that will get old if happens constantly. I think this game will be controlled by the better teams it is like one pocket and they will learn to move the game, they do not feel the game yet but when they do they will like it.

I think the rail birds will be able to bet on this Bonus Ball and use a spread. I think this will be good for many of the AZ type of people who watch the game as the players get more into it and they will. Will many buy the stream we will see.

Now if it is true that Bonus Ball is intended for a new market and the focus is not on the small but fervent current fan base and also thoughts and plans are going on that are not obvious to us the AZ market. But for now whether they like it or not Bonus Ball has the attention of the current pool market including the AZ crew. I think they will finish the first season and if so they will have something to show whomever is the actual intended market. Perhaps they will create enough of an actual product to create a value that will attract funding beyond OB, Simonis and Master chalk. Perhaps we will see a player with a Mountain Dew patch on the back of their hockey/Bonus Ball jersey.

Time will tell, I myself will be in AZ for work in Aug/Sept and will drive on out to Vegas and watch a few sessions if it is still going at the time. I wish them the best of luck. I hope they find a good long term return on their investment. I hope it is good for the players and ultimately pocket billiards. I think Bonus Ball needs to communicate and schedule better with the existing pool establishment. Pool players on the stream need to seem to be more into it if they are going to create a stir. They meaning Bonus Ball need to talk more about the players and create some human interest stories.They need to create rivalries. They need to establish a baseline and find out who the strong teams are and this could all create the interest that is missing. Sports is more than putting the ball in the hole. Juniors, charity work, good sportsmanship etc there are so many facets that can be covered and be part of the long term project that could be Bonus Ball or any thing pool related that is long term. Bonus Ball has our attention lets see where it goes in the next few weeks.
 
OK, if that is the case, then here we go...

Snooker pocket is 3 1/2 inches and balls are 2 1/8 inches, that leaves 1 3/8 inches of room

The American pool ball is 2 1/2 inches, add 1 3/8 inches and you get 3 7/8 inches... Forget about snooker's 6' x 12' tables, the extremely difficult pocket cut and the directional cloth.... Those pockets are not terribly tough in the global view of things.

That is true but you cant play off the pocket face in snooker that makes the pockets play tighter

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In the other thread, it's been confirmed that Thorsten ran 60, so I guess the pockets shouldn't be tightened! (I was one who thought they were too tight from the parts of the stream I saw). In any case, that's pretty solid, given only three pockets, sort of having to shoot in order, and having to break open the rack. If I did my math correctly 60 is 2.5 racks.

I wonder if this is just random or a sign that straight pool players will have an edge in this game in the long run?
 
Roger,

There were reports that the players were still confused about the rules. Did you notice that during your trip? How about the very small pockets causing many missed shots? I'd be interested in your professional opinion. Thank you in advance.

Yukon Ed

Ed,

The game is more complex than what it appears on the surface. The players are all top-notch, but they will all have to play thousands of racks before they will be able to look at any given situation and quickly identify the right shot to take in harmony with rules that are still relatively new to them. The rules involved make the game a lot like one-pocket in the respect that you feel like you have to shoot practically everything as either a two-way, or as a purely defensive shot. All that has made it easy for the players to be confused. I have played quite a bit of Bonus Ball myself over the past few months, and I was still confused much of the time while watching the pro players this weekend. The good news is, the players are really into this game and when they weren't playing, many of them were sitting in the stands and studying the other teams, while still others were out on the practice tables with their team mates. So rest assured, the play is just going to get smoother and smoother as time goes on.

As for the pockets, they are tight, but they aren't all that tough. The openings have been narrowed, but the throats have not. That makes the facings more parallel to each other, which means that a ball can contact a cushion before it gets to the pocket, and the pocket angle will actually help "scoop" it in. The very narrow opening does require a straight-in shot to be hit dead center, but these guys are all straight shooters anyway, so that's no real problem for them. I think the missed shots might have been caused by opening-day jitters, or by trying to create better angles on a table that doesn't assist with better angles, or maybe a combination of both.

Roger
 
OK, if that is the case, then here we go...

Snooker pocket is 3 1/2 inches and balls are 2 1/8 inches, that leaves 1 3/8 inches of room

The American pool ball is 2 1/2 inches, add 1 3/8 inches and you get 3 7/8 inches... Forget about snooker's 6' x 12' tables, the extremely difficult pocket cut and the directional cloth.... Those pockets are not terribly tough in the global view of things.

Would you bet you could beat the 6 ball ghost on 3 7/8" pockets?
 
... If I did my math correctly 60 is 2.5 racks. ...

I don't know whether he made any "target shots" or "continuation shots" during the run. If not, then I think 60 points would be 10 "sequences" of 3 balls (at 6 points per sequence: 1+2+3), or 30 balls.

And I think you are correct on the racks-- 21 points, then rack, 3, 21, then rack, 3, 12 = 60.
 
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OK, if that is the case, then here we go...

Snooker pocket is 3 1/2 inches and balls are 2 1/8 inches, that leaves 1 3/8 inches of room

The American pool ball is 2 1/2 inches, add 1 3/8 inches and you get 3 7/8 inches... Forget about snooker's 6' x 12' tables, the extremely difficult pocket cut and the directional cloth.... Those pockets are not terribly tough in the global view of things.

Cuebuddy must have small balls:o
 
I don't know whether he made any "target shots" or "continuation shots" during the run. If not, then I think 60 points would be 10 "sequences" of 3 balls (at 6 points per sequence: 1+2+3), or 30 balls.

And I think you are correct on the racks-- 21 points, then rack, 3, 21, then rack, 3, 12 = 60.

I mistakenly counted a rack as four groups of 6 points (assuming no target shots), but the last black ball carries over. So the first rack is 21 points, but subsequent racks are 24 (3, then 1/2/3, then 1/2/3, then 1/2/3, then 1/2).
 
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