Noticed the same with K B, looks like it turns more into dust, sorta.
Might just be because of its black and proberly the treatment they do to get it black. lol
Kamui Black Tips
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Noticed the same with K B, looks like it turns more into dust, sorta.
Might just be because of its black and proberly the treatment they do to get it black. lol
They do turn to dust, but they machine easily.
I have a Kamui Black SS in my box of tips that I am getting ready to put on. I had tried one before, but thought it was a little too hard. I think my previous experience was that I loved everything about it except the density of the tip.
I'm going to try the SS to see if I like it. If I don't like it I will go back to Tiger Snipers and I will never stray again. Sometimes I wonder why I keep trying to fix something that isn't broken outside of the need to feed my curiousity.
I'm going to try the SS to see if I like it. If I don't like it I will go back to Tiger Snipers and I will never stray again. Sometimes I wonder why I keep trying to fix something that isn't broken outside of the need to feed my curiousity.
The leather is tanned by a special moisture proof tannin. Giving the Kamui Black the black color and making it "humidity resistant". Kamui Japan found the way to apply this process without interfering with the porosity, adding more elasticity to the KB tip and protecting the tip from the environment.
People in my area think $30 to install a high end layered tip is too high. I used to install a lot of tips, but I decided it wasn't worth the trouble. I don't think a lot of players understand how important a good condition well shaped tip is to their game.
James
I've installed a couple Kamui Black tips and the leather acted differently when I shaped it. It did act like it was turning to dust as it was being cut down to shape it. Moori tips tend to cut in strips and curl like you describe and they are the easiest tip to shape that i've worked with. The Kamui's weren't hard to work with, but the leather has been treated with something to make it act differently.
James
REPLACEING ANY LAYERED TIP (kamui , moori, wizard , everest) .ect .!
I don't understand also, People that come to me expect me to install tips for nothing all the time . Or when I tell them how much the layered tips are they just look at me like Im trying to rip them off. What I tell them up front is heres what I charge, now my freinds I used to do it for the price of the tip then just say and say give me a donation, cause they were my freinds. But some of them think het I will throw him a buck or two. So now I am going to start charging tip,+ $10 for my time and equiptment. Where else can you get it done that cheap ? But some still dont wanna pay, so I may just stop doing it, or either they break with their playing cue also, then after a couple months when their tip mushrooms or cracks theyt say I did something wrong at the install
I just dont get it, si my free services are ending. I like to help my freinds and people out but how about being fair to me, I didn't get my equiptment for free. and it dont replace it's self. Sorry for ranting but it's always the same guys<<ED
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REPLACEING ANY LAYERED TIP (kamui , moori, wizard , everest) .ect .!
I don't understand also, People that come to me expect me to install tips for nothing all the time . Or when I tell them how much the layered tips are they just look at me like Im trying to rip them off. What I tell them up front is heres what I charge, now my freinds I used to do it for the price of the tip then just say and say give me a donation, cause they were my freinds. But some of them think het I will throw him a buck or two. So now I am going to start charging tip,+ $10 for my time and equiptment. Where else can you get it done that cheap ? But some still dont wanna pay, so I may just stop doing it, or either they break with their playing cue also, then after a couple months when their tip mushrooms or cracks theyt say I did something wrong at the install
I think we may have had some miscommunication here. You said you charge $30 to install one. What you meant is that the $30 covers the tip AND installation.
I thought the first was very high, but the second is very reasonable.
25 bucks got me a sniper and install.
No I didn't say I charge $30, but Im not in buisness, I just do it for guys I know. Cause there in not many guys around us locally or it's hard to get a hold of some guys. Thats why I bought my lathe in the first place, just for myself and for something to do as a hobbie. But $30 is in no way alot of money for a layered tip install. When you have to pay for all the equiptment is what I said. <
Dakota
I will confirm they machine hard and turn into dust. I had a hard time turning down a 14MM tip to a 13MM shaft. I had an even hard time shaping the tip. I did find running the lathe as fast as I could did better, but not great.
Just to try out the SS Black K Tip I put it on a Cue I had and not my regular player. I have only tried the Cue one time and was happy with tip but still not used to it. One place I really liked the SS tip was when Breaking. This goes against the theory of harder tips on Break Cues. But I could control the rock better.
Sometimes ppl just think it is good, if they pay enough for it......- i know how you feel Arrowcrusher 
I think i used to replace tips on about more than 500 cues. A very good friend ve had a pool hall- and so no problem (at this time i payed nothin for playin pool there)- even for friends i never took a dollar- until some guys begun to talk bullshit like u shown up above in your posting. From then i used to take 10 DM (that was about 5-7 Dollar in the 80-90 s) plus equipment. And they all came back 
It s your freetime my friend- sure i still would do it for a very good friend- all other can pay or can search for a another cue-doctor-idiot.
lg
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I think i used to replace tips on about more than 500 cues. A very good friend ve had a pool hall- and so no problem (at this time i payed nothin for playin pool there)- even for friends i never took a dollar- until some guys begun to talk bullshit like u shown up above in your posting. From then i used to take 10 DM (that was about 5-7 Dollar in the 80-90 s) plus equipment. And they all came back It s your freetime my friend- sure i still would do it for a very good friend- all other can pay or can search for a another cue-doctor-idiot.
lg
Ingo
I carry at least 50 different types of tips in stock. Some types I have never installed on a cue but I still have them if a customer ever requests one. I charge 10.00 to install any one layered American tip (LePro, Triangle, Triumph , Elk Master, W/B and Sumo), I charge 15.00 for the new Tiger layered Emerald tips and all of the Chandiverts. I charge 20.00 for layered Talisman, Wizard and Super pro. I charge 25.00 for all other layered tips other than Kamui and Moori and for those I get 30.00. I guarantee that any tip I install will not come off for the life of the tip. If it does I replace it for free. If someone brings in their own tip I charge 10.00 to install it with the same guarantee except the replacement would be one of my standard 10.00 tips as that is what they paid me for. I used to do around 2500 tips a year but many were house cues from rooms. I do few of them anymore so I am only doing 7 or 800 a year now.
I think my prices are fair and apparently so do my customers. Of coarse every market is different so your prices must be in line with your competition.
Dick
I think my prices are fair and apparently so do my customers. Of coarse every market is different so your prices must be in line with your competition.
Dick
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These prices sound very reasonable to me and you seem to have the tip market covered pretty well. You don't have them all, but a customer can surely find what he's looking for or a very close substitute......
James
Hemisphericaly sealed......does this mean if I go to Australia the damn thing will explode:grin: Just playin with ya junkie......I'm sure you intended to say hermeticaly sealed......but I'm not sure that is correct either as kamui maintains the porosity is maintained....I suspect it has something to do with the tanning process or perhaps additives such as waxes or oils.......similar to latigo leather.......Dan
REPLACEING ANY LAYERED TIP (kamui , moori, wizard , everest) .ect .!
I don't understand also, People that come to me expect me to install tips for nothing all the time . Or when I tell them how much the layered tips are they just look at me like Im trying to rip them off. What I tell them up front is heres what I charge, now my freinds I used to do it for the price of the tip then just say and say give me a donation, cause they were my freinds. But some of them think het I will throw him a buck or two. So now I am going to start charging tip,+ $10 for my time and equiptment. Where else can you get it done that cheap ? But some still dont wanna pay, so I may just stop doing it, or either they break with their playing cue also, then after a couple months when their tip mushrooms or cracks theyt say I did something wrong at the install
I throw my tip guy $100 and both shafts, never had a problem. I get them back perfect everytime. I change them out about every 2-3 months. I cant understand why people have a hard time paying people to work, who works for free? I have been paying that much for tips long before I made $$$, infact one of the reasons I have made good $$$ Is I pay people good, nitting around for $10-$20 is 2 things 1. Emabarassing 2. a waste of time. I dont need either of those 2 things.
I use Triangle tips.